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Russia now officially has the creepiest youth camps on the planet

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Sex for the motherland: Russian youths encouraged to procreate at camp
By EDWARD LUCAS

Remember the mammoths, say the clean-cut organisers at the youth camp's mass wedding. "They became extinct because they did not have enough sex. That must not happen to Russia".

Obediently, couples move to a special section of dormitory tents arranged in a heart-shape and called the Love Oasis, where they can start procreating for the motherland.

With its relentlessly upbeat tone, bizarre ideas and tight control, it sounds like a weird indoctrination session for a phoney religious cult.

But this organisation - known as "Nashi", meaning "Ours" - is youth movement run by Vladimir Putin's Kremlin that has become a central part of Russian political life.

Nashi's annual camp, 200 miles outside Moscow, is attended by 10,000 uniformed youngsters and involves two weeks of lectures and physical fitness.

Attendance is monitored via compulsory electronic badges and anyone who misses three events is expelled. So are drinkers; alcohol is banned. But sex is encouraged, and condoms are nowhere on sale.

Bizarrely, young women are encouraged to hand in thongs and other skimpy underwear - supposedly a cause of sterility - and given more wholesome and substantial undergarments.


Twenty-five couples marry at the start of the camp's first week and ten more at the start of the second. These mass weddings, the ultimate expression of devotion to the motherland, are legal and conducted by a civil official.

Attempting to raise Russia's dismally low birthrate even by eccentric-seeming means might be understandable. Certainly, the country's demographic outlook is dire. The hard-drinking, hardsmoking and disease-ridden population is set to plunge by a million a year in the next decade.

But the real aim of the youth camp - and the 100,000-strong movement behind it - is not to improve Russia's demographic profile, but to attack democracy.


Under Mr Putin, Russia is sliding into fascism, with state control of the economy, media, politics and society becoming increasingly heavy-handed. And Nashi, along with other similar youth movements, such as 'Young Guard', and 'Young Russia', is in the forefront of the charge.

At the start, it was all too easy to mock. I attended an early event run by its predecessor, 'Walking together', in the heart of Moscow in 2000. A motley collection of youngsters were collecting 'unpatriotic' works of fiction for destruction.

It was sinister in theory, recalling the Nazis' book-burning in the 1930s, but it was laughable in practice. There was no sign of ordinary members of the public handing in books (the copies piled on the pavement had been brought by the organisers).

Once the television cameras had left, the event organisers admitted that they were not really volunteers, but being paid by "sponsors". The idea that Russia's anarchic, apathetic youth would ever be attracted into a disciplined mass movement in support of their president - what critics called a "Putinjugend", recalling the "Hitlerjugend" (German for "Hitler Youth") - seemed fanciful.

How wrong we were. Life for young people in Russia without connections is a mixture of inadequate and corrupt education, and a choice of boring dead-end jobs. Like the Hitler Youth and the Soviet Union's Young Pioneers, Nashi and its allied movements offer not just excitement, friendship and a sense of purpose - but a leg up in life, too.

Nashi's senior officials - known, in an eerie echo of the Soviet era, as "Commissars" - get free places at top universities. Thereafter, they can expect good jobs in politics or business - which in Russia nowadays, under the Kremlin's crony capitalism, are increasingly the same thing.

Nashi and similar outfits are the Kremlin's first line of defence against its greatest fear: real democracy. Like the sheep chanting "Four legs good, two legs bad" in George Orwell's Animal Farm, they can intimidate through noise and numbers.

Nashi supporters drown out protests by Russia's feeble and divided democratic opposition and use violence to drive them off the streets.

The group's leaders insist that the only connection to officialdom is loyalty to the president. If so, they seem remarkably well-informed.

In July 2006, the British ambassador, Sir Anthony Brenton, infuriated the Kremlin by attending an opposition meeting. For months afterwards, he was noisily harassed by groups of Nashi supporters demanding that he "apologise". With uncanny accuracy, the hooligans knew his movements in advance - a sign of official tip-offs.

Even when Nashi flagrantly breaks the law, the authorities do not intervene. After Estonia enraged Russia by moving a Sovietera war memorial in April, Nashi led the blockade of Estonia's Moscow embassy. It daubed the building with graffiti, blasted it with Stalinera military music, ripped down the Estonian flag and attacked a visiting ambassador's car. The Moscow police, who normally stamp ruthlessly on public protest, stood by.

Nashi fits perfectly into the Kremlin's newly-minted ideology of "Sovereign democracy". This is not the mind-numbing jargon of Marxism-Leninism, but a lightweight collection of cliches and slogans promoting Russia's supposed unique political and spiritual culture.

It is strongly reminiscent of the Tsarist era slogan: "Autocracy, Orthodoxy and Nationality".

The similarities to both the Soviet and Tsarist eras are striking. Communist ideologues once spent much of their time explaining why their party deserved its monopoly of power, even though the promised utopia seemed indefinitely delayed.

Today, the Kremlin's ideology chief Vladislav Surkov is trying to explain why questioning the crooks and spooks who run Russia is not just mistaken, but treacherous.

Yet, by comparison with other outfits, Nashi looks relatively civilised. Its racism and prejudice is implied, but not trumpeted. Other pro-Kremlin youth groups are hounding gays and foreigners off the streets of Moscow. Mestnye [The Locals] recently distributed leaflets urging Muscovites to boycott non-Russian cab drivers.

These showed a young blonde Russian refusing a ride from a swarthy, beetle-browed taxi driver, under the slogan: "We're not going the same way."

Such unofficial xenophobia matches the official stance. On April 1, a decree explicitly backed by Mr Putin banned foreigners from trading in Russia's retail markets. By some estimates, 12m people are working illegally in Russia.

Those who hoped that Russia's first post-totalitarian generation would be liberal, have been dissapointed. Although explicit support for extremist and racist groups is in the low single figures, support for racist sentiments is mushrooming.

Slogans such as "Russia for the Russians" now attract the support of half of the population. Echoing Kremlin propaganda, Nashi denounced Estonians as "fascist", for daring to say that they find Nazi and Soviet memorials equally repugnant. But, in truth, it is in Russia that fascism is all too evident.

The Kremlin sees no role for a democratic opposition, denouncing its leaders as stooges and traitors. Sadly, most Russians agree: a recent poll showed that a majority believed that opposition parties should not be allowed to take power.

Just as the Nazis in 1930s rewrote Germany's history, the Putin Kremlin is rewriting Russia's. It has rehaabilitated Stalin, the greatest massmurderer of the 20th century. And it is demonising Boris Yeltsin, Russia's first democratically-elected president. That he destroyed totalitarianism is ignored. Instead, he is denounced for his "weak" pro-Western policies.

While distorting its own history, the Kremlin denounces other countries. Mr Putin was quick to blame Britain's "colonial mentality" for our government's request that Russia try to find a legal means of extraditing Andrei Lugovoi, the prime suspect in the murder of Alexander Litvinenko.

Yet the truth is that Britain, like most Western countries, flagellates itself for the crimes of the past. Indeed, British schoolchildren rarely learn anything positive about their country's empire. And, if Mr Putin has his way, Russian pupils will learn nothing bad about the Soviet empire, which was far bloodier, more brutal - and more recent.

A new guide for history teachers - explicitly endorsed by Mr Putin - brushes off Stalin's crimes. It describes him as "the most successful leader of the USSR". But it skates over the colossal human cost - 25m people were shot and starved in the cause of communism.

"Political repression was used to mobilise not only rank-and-file citizens but also the ruling elite," it says. In other words, Stalin wanted to make the country strong, so he may have been a bit harsh at times. At any time since the collapse of Soviet totalitarianism in the late 1980s, that would have seemed a nauseating whitewash. Now, it is treated as bald historical fact.

If Stalin made mistakes, so what? Lots of people make mistakes.

"Problematic pages in our history exist," Mr Putin said last week. But: "we have less than some countries. And ours are not as terrible as those of some others." He compared the Great Terror of 1937, when 700,000 people were murdered in a purge by Stalin's secret police, to the atom bomb on Hiroshima.

The comparison is preposterous. A strong argument can be made that by ending the war quickly, the atom bombs saved countless lives.

Franklin D Roosevelt and Harry Truman-may have failed to realise that nuclear weapons would one day endanger humanity's survival. But, unlike Stalin, they were not genocidal maniacs.

As the new cold war deepens, Mr Putin echoes, consciously or unconsciously, the favourite weapon of Soviet propagandists in the last one.

Asked about Afghanistan, they would cite Vietnam. Castigated for the plight of Soviet Jews, they would complain with treacly sincerity about discrimination against American blacks. Every blot on the Soviet record was matched by something, real or imagined, that the West had done.

But the contrasts even then were absurd. When the American administration blundered into Vietnam, hundreds of thousands of people protested in the heart of Washington. When eight extraordinarily brave Soviet dissidents tried to demonstrate in Red Square against the invasion of Czechoslovakia, in 1968, they were instantly arrested and spent many years in labour camps.

For the east European countries with first-hand experience of Stalinist terror, the Kremlin's rewriting of history could hardly be more scary. Not only does Russia see no reason to apologise for their suffering under Kremlin rule, it now sees the collapse of communism not as a time of liberation, but as an era of pitiable weakness.

Russia barely commemorates even the damage it did to itself, let alone the appalling suffering inflicted on other people. Nashi is both a symptom of the way Russia is going - and a means of entrenching the drift to fascism.

Terrifyingly, the revived Soviet view of history is now widely held in Russia. A poll this week of Russian teenagers showed that a majority believe that Stalin did more good things than bad.

If tens of thousands of uniformed German youngsters were marching across Germany in support of an authoritarian Fuhrer, baiting foreigners and praising Hitler, alarm bells would be jangling all across Europe. So why aren't they ringing about Nashi?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=471324&in_page_id=1770
 

Umino

Because certain people need something to talk about.
I'd **** in the name of communism. But only if it's for a good cause.
 

Umino

Because certain people need something to talk about.
Hitokage said:
I find it amusing where the attention is drawn in this thread, despite the rest of the article.

What isn't bolded isn't meant to be read.
 
Hitokage said:
I find it amusing where the attention is drawn in this thread, despite the rest of the article.

The article took a big swing in focus after the camp thing, which the thread is about.
 

Eggo

GameFan Alumnus
Get married, go to classes all day, and have unprotected sex with someone who is possibly disease-ridden? No thanks.
 

Umino

Because certain people need something to talk about.
Eggo said:
Get married, go to classes all day, and have unprotected sex with someone who is possibly disease-ridden? No thanks.

I'm Catholic. This is like my dream.
 

negitoro7

Member
bogg said:
The catch is, you get married at this camp.
Blat, no thanks.
QFT.

I was thinking it would be a camp where every attendee gets tested for STDs first, and then every guy ****s every girl to "spread their seeds around".
 

SUPREME1

Banned
"Certainly, the country's demographic outlook is dire. The hard-drinking, hardsmoking and disease-ridden population is set to plunge by a million a year in the next decade"



Lol..

Disease-ridden populace + no condoms + sex-partays = Mother Russia!!!!
 
Cedeo said:
Guys this is from the Daily Mail.

/thread.

Pretty Much. I've been buying the Daily Mail the past week or so, mainly so my dad can do the crossword + the sports pages. But reading it is pretty amusing, right wing slant on EVERYTHING ranging from subte to totally obvious bias.

ps I bet Stalin feels silly now.
 

M3wThr33

Banned
I showed this to my Russian girlfriend and she told me some pretty shocking things about it.
I guess they don't advertise it as a sex camp, more of just a "come and meet celebrities" kind of event. But they use a guy in a stork costume to promote it and other weird stuff.
She wanted to go it until we looked into more. (She finds Russian boys very creepy.)
(The major reason for this camp is Russia's dwindling population, btw)

There is a MAJOR FCUKING divide between Russian youth (who never experienced the communism) and the adults who know better. Unfortunately the kids are actually supporting Putin, which is slowly steering the country right back into the same pit of despair that they just tried to claw their way out of.
 

Koomaster

Member
Oh dear. I came in this thread expecting to be amused, but this article is sort of worrying. I think hte OP focused on the wrong points.
 
Koomaster said:
Oh dear. I came in this thread expecting to be amused, but this article is sort of worrying. I think hte OP focused on the wrong points.

I came for the Sex. I stayed for the Nazi's.


But seriously I know the people of GAF. I wasn't even going to quote the rest of the article because the sex bit is the only thing an American would care about but for the sake of completion I pasted the entire article despite how it rambles.
 

Umino

Because certain people need something to talk about.
Stoney Mason said:
I came for the Sex. I stayed for the Nazi's.


But seriously I know the people of GAF. I wasn't even going to quote the rest of the article because the sex bit is the only thing an American would care about but for the sake of completion I pasted the entire article despite how it rambles.

You've got our number.
 
Remember the mammoths, say the clean-cut organisers at the youth camp's mass wedding. "They became extinct because they did not have enough sex. That must not happen to Russia".


I've met quite a many hot Ninotchkas in my day. Movin' to Russia.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
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Cedeo said:
Guys this is from the Daily Mail.

/thread.

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You're just trying to rob the news article's credibility because you don't like Russian women...do you,
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shuri

Banned
this honestly looks like some sort of weird piece of anti-russia propaganda. The whole 'THEY ARE FIGHTING AGAINST DEMOCRACY' thing made me go o_O?
 

Dies Iræ

Member
That's one of the most ridiculous articles I've ever read. It makes Fox News look objective.

M3wThr33 said:
There is a MAJOR FCUKING divide between Russian youth (who never experienced the communism) and the adults who know better. Unfortunately the kids are actually supporting Putin, which is slowly steering the country right back into the same pit of despair that they just tried to claw their way out of.


You know nothing. Nothing.

As a Russian who's people were brutally oppressed and who fleed Russia in 1899, I can say with certainty that you appear as biased as any of those "ignorant" pro-communist youth. MORE Russians died under Yeltsin's "capitalism" (or democracy, as they called it) than in Stalin's purges. Moreover, Russians were very proud of their acheivements under Stalin and in the Second World War. He took a backwards, feudal state and turned it into the strongest nation on Earth. Now, I'm not going to defend "communism" (if we're actually stupid enough to call "that" communism) but I'm also not stupid enough to pretend that "capitalism" has done any better. Russia was a wreck as a "communist" state and it's just as bad as a "capitalist" state.

Putin isn't a communist. I don't know what makes you think communists would support him. That's absurd. He's trying to bring Russia OUT of the poverty that the free market economy has brought. He's trying to nationalize Russia's major industries to HELP its people live better lives. Yes, he's corrupt. Yes, he's building up the military. Yes, he's a SOCIALIST. But so what? Russians deserve better than they've got and Putin's giving it to them.
 

M3wThr33

Banned
Dies Iræ said:
That's one of the most ridiculous articles I've ever read. It makes Fox News look objective.




You know nothing. Nothing.

As a Russian who's people were brutally oppressed and who fleed Russia in 1899, I can say with certainty that you appear as biased as any of those "ignorant" pro-communist youth. MORE Russians died under Yeltsin's "capitalism" (or democracy, as they called it) than in Stalin's purges. Moreover, Russians were very proud of their acheivements under Stalin and in the Second World War. He took a backwards, feudal state and turned it into the strongest nation on Earth. Now, I'm not going to defend "communism" (if we're actually stupid enough to call "that" communism) but I'm also not stupid enough to pretend that "capitalism" has done any better. Russia was a wreck as a "communist" state and it's just as bad as a "capitalist" state.

Putin isn't a communist. I don't know what makes you think communists would support him. That's absurd. He's trying to bring Russia OUT of the poverty that the free market economy has brought. He's trying to nationalize Russia's major industries to HELP its people live better lives. Yes, he's corrupt. Yes, he's building up the military. Yes, he's a SOCIALIST. But so what? Russians deserve better than they've got and Putin's giving it to them.

Yeah, I don't know much at all. Just in general I don't trust youth more than adults, and this one British documentary I watched didn't seem to portray the kids as critical thinkers. Yes, this article is really slanted, like, really bad. It seems to be more of a rant than actually talking about the camp. My only real knowledge of Russia is dealing with the two girls I housed. The idiot one seemed to love Putin. Like swooning over him. It was a bit creepy. Thankfully she's gone. (I know it's not enough to draw a conclusion off of, but it's hard for that not to leave an impression on you.)
And I didn't mean Putin wanted to restore communism, but I just meant he's kinda burning a few bridges right now with the whole threat against the US base in Poland, I think.
On a final note, I don't give the USA any free passes, either, I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents outside of the "lolsexcamp" discussion.
I'm trying to learn more and be objective about it, but that's not the easiest thing with news sources online.
(Russia's cool. I own the first 3 Nightwatch books and watched both movies. I have a bunch of cartoons on DVD like Nu Pugodi. Please love me.)
 
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