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Ryan Dunn passes away, car crash

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TommyT said:
Of course I do. I'm simply saying that things CAN happen which people here are assuming they can't
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Who is assuming you can't?

when you start talking about "what if's".
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Why do these "what if's" include the assumption that going the speed limit can't also cause death because of "what if's"?

It doesn't.

The point being, if he died going the speed limit.. in a freak accident.. nobody would be chastising him.

When you drive 110mph, the concept of a "freak accident" goes out the window.. because you yourself willfully put yourself and others at an INCREASED risk over what is acceptable in society. Any number of circumstances that would be UNLIKELY to cause your death suddenly become LIKELY to cause your death.

Freeway driving includes risks we all take.. nobody is arguing against that.

I've grown up with enough country back-roading to see the effects of hitting a deer going 30, and hitting one going 100+ and both ending with the same result. Shit happens, going fast or not. That's all I'm pointing out.
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That's not all you pointed out.. you made a ridiculous statement about airline engines falling from the sky then said "lol @ what ifs."

And what is the point of pointing that out?

Shit happens going fast or not.. more shit is likely to happen going fast.. which is why he would be convicted of manslaughter had he survived, and not if he was going the speed limit.
 
Koomaster said:
The real villians are those who type on their laptops while in cars and those that that have portable ovens that plug into cigarette lighters who bake while driving. They are a lot more menacing than people on cell phones. Talk to them!
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People have ovens in their cars and bake while they are driving?.....what the hell, lol.
 
Also, you're not going to lose control of your vehicle hitting a deer at 30mph. Just hit it head on, and you're likely to be safe. Hit a deer head on at 100mph and you're not going to be able to control what happens to your car next.
 
BoobPhysics101 said:
A true tragedy is the homeless people in my city that sleep under bridges and have their teeth rotting out because they can't afford dental care or even a toothbrush.
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That's because he has a drinking/drugs problem...

Edit: seriously though, ppl in this thread are mostly fucktard.
Guy made a mistake, he's dead, and that's sad.
Dont judge a person's entire life on one mistake.
 
BoobPhysics101 said:
I don't think it's tragic at all. He willingly chose to drive recklessly (i.e. under the influence) in a $160k track car and died. The only tragedy I see is that the passenger died as well.

A true tragedy is the homeless people in my city that sleep under bridges and have their teeth rotting out because they can't afford dental care or even a toothbrush. A true tragedy is the multiple people in other countries who die curled up in a ball because they can't afford to buy food. A true tragedy is a quadriplegic man who can't even feed himself or move around under his own power, trapped in his own body and forced to be cared for by other people.

Those are tragedies. Some well-off guy who did stunts and stupid shit for lots of money dying because of one last stupid action is not a tragedy.
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Do you lick your plate thinking of starving children in Africa or something?

a person died, a person who seemed like a nice enough guy and made plenty of us laugh, of course its a tragedy.

If he was drunk and driving does that make him an idiot? of fucking course. Still a tragedy.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Speed limit is the maximum speed, not the recommended speed.
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The recommended speed is the speed that traffic is going. Deviate from that and you put yourself and the other drivers at risk.

You're probably that guy that drives in the left lane doing 5 under because you like it.
 
Beaulieu said:
That's because he has a drinking/drugs problem...
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It's still a tragedy.

Again, a rich D list celebrity getting drunk and dying by crashing his overpriced track car that costs more than many people's homes is not in anyway tragic. When you get into a car (especially a car like that) drunk as a skunk and start driving, you know what the consequences are. You make the choice. He made the choice and gambled with his life. He lost.


SalsaShark said:
Do you lick your plate thinking of starving children in Africa or something?

a person died, a person who seemed like a nice enough guy and made plenty of us laugh, of course its a tragedy.

If he was drunk and driving does that make him an idiot? of fucking course. Still a tragedy.
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Sorry that I don't find over-privileged, irresponsible drunk driver celebrities dying a 'tragedy.'

You want to know what else is a tragedy? The fact that we devote so much thought and media attention to ONE guy like this dying by his own hand and call it a tragedy when there are thousands of other people dying in horrific ways every day, yet we don't always hear about it nor do we send our condolences.

Every time a story like this breaks it reminds me of how overly obsessed with celebrities we are as a society. Get over it, if it were some random 'Joe Average', people in this thread would be saying 'serves him right' and 'guess he got what was coming for him' even moreso than they're doing now.
 
TheExodu5 said:
Also, you're not going to lose control of your vehicle hitting a deer at 30mph. Just hit it head on, and you're likely to be safe. Hit a deer head on at 100mph and you're not going to be able to control what happens to your car next.
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some other dude pointed that out and was told he was looney.
 
I have to agree with the chorus here. Driving fast, or driving while intoxicated are both reckless things to do. I am sad for his friends/family that he died, but I can't really have sympathy for someone who put themselves in harm's way.
 
Beaulieu said:
That's because he has a drinking/drugs problem...

Edit: seriously though, ppl in this thread are mostly fucktard.
Guy made a mistake, he's dead, and that's sad.
Dont judge a person's entire life on one mistake.
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This. YES he fucked up. NO he didn't deserve to die for it.
 
Beaulieu said:
That's because he has a drinking/drugs problem...

Edit: seriously though, ppl in this thread are mostly fucktard.
Guy made a mistake, he's dead, and that's sad.
Dont judge a person's entire life on one mistake.
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no one is doing that I think...
 
Beaulieu said:
That's because he has a drinking/drugs problem...

Edit: seriously though, ppl in this thread are mostly fucktard.
Guy made a mistake, he's dead, and that's sad.
Dont judge a person's entire life on one mistake.
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Bullshit, if he was irresponsible then it led to the death of his passenger, if that's the case then fuck this guy and fuck his memory, death should not absolve one of ridicule or the burden of their actions.
 
BoobPhysics101 said:
It's still a tragedy.
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A man dying from his decision to take drugs is a tragedy, yet a man who decides to drink and drive (and a friend who decides to get in a car with him, or doesnt stop him from driving) and dies is not? based on how much money he has?

ok man
 
Coins said:
The recommended speed is the speed that traffic is going. Deviate from that and you put yourself and the other drivers at risk.

You're probably that guy that drives in the left lane doing 5 under because you like it.
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??? What you're writing in response doesn't contradict what I wrote. We agree.

What's with the assumption at the end?
 
Beaulieu said:
The very mature poster that goes by the name "BoobPhysics101" seems to do that, saying his death isnt tragic and all.
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Read above. His death isn't tragic. He chose to die, and took someone else with him. That passenger's death is tragic, Dunn's isn't.

A teenager drunk driving that kills himself and his friends is a tragedy because the kid doesn't know what he's doing. Ryan Dunn was far from a teenager so he really has no excuse.

SalsaShark said:
A man dying from his decision to take drugs is a tragedy, yet a man who decides to drink and drive (and a friend who decides to get in a car with him, or doesnt stop him from driving) and dies is not? based on how much money he has?

ok man
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Don't be ignorant. Not everybody that's homeless is homeless because they're drunkards or drug addicts. That's a ridiculous generalization.
 
B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
Bullshit, if he was irresponsible then it led to the death of his passenger, if that's the case then fuck this guy and fuck his memory, death should not absolve one of ridicule or the burden of their actions.
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You should go to his funeral and scorn the casket.
 
This thread.

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taylor910 said:
http://consumerist.com/2011/06/porsche-911s-recalled-for-crappy-wheel-hubs.html

Has this been posted yet? Porsche recall. Even though he was driving way too fast, it'd be fucking horrible if the crash happened because of a defect in the car.
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"Porsche is aware that some customers of the affected vehicles occasionally operate them on a racetrack or under similar conditions," the company said in a statement. "From Porsche's own racing experience with vehicles using the same central wheel lock components, Porsche has developed new components as well as additional instructions for the use of such components when the affected vehicles are operated under racing conditions."
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This only seems to apply to owners that track their cars, not guys driving 100+ mph drunk on backroads at night. Two totally different conditions.
 
BoobPhysics101 said:
Don't be ignorant. Not everybody that's homeless is homeless because they're drunkards or drug addicts. That's a ridiculous generalization.
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but.. i was quoting your post saying "still a tragedy" in the case that the homeless person was a drug addict.. your post doesnt make sense

BoobPhysics101 said:
Sorry that I don't find over-privileged, irresponsible drunk driver celebrities dying a 'tragedy.'

You want to know what else is a tragedy? The fact that we devote so much thought and media attention to ONE guy like this dying by his own hand and call it a tragedy when there are thousands of other people dying in horrific ways every day, yet we don't always hear about it nor do we send our condolences.

Every time a story like this breaks it reminds me of how overly obsessed with celebrities we are as a society. Get over it, if it were some random 'Joe Average', people in this thread would be saying 'serves him right' and 'guess he got what was coming for him' even moreso than they're doing now.
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Of course its not the same than a random average joe, we know who this guy is. Even so, i would never say that an average joe dying from drunk driving isnt a tragedy, because it is. The fact that he came to a point where he decided to do that knowing the risks, and the outcome, is a tragedy. Maybe we have different definitions of the word.

And not every celebrity needs to be your asshole piece of shit human being stereotype. This dude has his own head and his own thoughts you know, as much as you. You dont know shit about him yet you judge him.
 
Foliorum Viridum said:
The problem with these cretins who speed and/or drink drive is they think they're superior drivers to everyone else on the road and thus uncapable of making mistakes.

When in reality they're the most likely to make a mistake, just by having such poor judgement and deluded opinions.
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the main thing i don't understand is that while speeders and drunk drivers think they're superior and can handle it, WHY do they at the same time assume that others do too? i mean, are they so self-centered that they don't even recognize that other people use roads too, and that you should be wary of them? speeding like crazy makes it harder to look out for others who might be terrible drivers..

i drive at the speed limit or slightly below, and try to drive really carefully without any unnecessary moves, not because i think i'm the worst driver ever, but because i KNOW that there are plenty of OTHER fucking awful drivers and speeding idiots etc... i need to be constantly vigilant in case some moron near me fails in traffic. i'd never forgive myself if i wasn't paying enough attention and some drunk shithead ran into me and paralyzed me.
 
SalsaShark said:
And not every celebrity needs to be your asshole piece of shit human being stereotype. This dude has his own head and his own thoughts you know, as much as you. You dont know shit about him yet you judge him.
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I agree we should be better people and not judge. But sometimes people cross the line and do things that affect others. In such cases I don't think it's totally unfair to judge someone for being careless or reckless or what not. And no one should judge him for every single aspect of his life. But for this incident I don't think it's totally unfair to say he should have known better to say the least.
 
nVidiot_Whore said:
Took 2 clicks to discover this is for 2010-2011 cars.

His car was a 2007 model.
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How many clicks did it take to find out his car was an 07? Is it possible the recall could be expanded? Is it possible you are not a dick? Lol I was just posting news that was coincidentally similar to what happened.
 
jmdajr said:
I agree we should be better people and not judge. But sometimes people cross the line and do things that affect others. In such cases I don't think it's totally unfair to judge someone for being careless or reckless or what not. And no one should judge him for every single aspect of his life. But for this incident I don't think it's totally unfair to say he should have known better to say the least.
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If he was indeed drunk and driving of course he was in the wrong and it is completely his fault.

I still think people here are jumping to conclusions on the whole "driver and passanger" situation. As much as we know the passenger was an asshole as well and encouraged him to drive, who knows, we certainly dont, and we shouldnt be judging.
 
astroturfing said:
i drive at the speed limit or slightly below, and try to drive really carefully without any unnecessary moves, not because i think i'm the worst driver ever, but because i KNOW that there are plenty of OTHER fucking awful drivers and speeding idiots etc... i need to be constantly vigilant in case some moron near me fails in traffic. i'd never forgive myself if i wasn't paying enough attention and some drunk shithead ran into me and paralyzed me.
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I have been witness to at least two red light accidents where people plowed through them at full speed even though cars next to were completely stopped.

Green light or not, I do my best to slow down when I can't see if the cars coming are stopped or slowing down. I've avoided quite a few accidents doing this.
 
SalsaShark said:
but.. i was quoting your post saying "still a tragedy" in the case that the homeless person was a drug addict.. your post doesnt make sense



Of course its not the same than a random average joe, we know who this guy is. Even so, i would never say that an average joe dying from drunk driving isnt a tragedy, because it is. The fact that he came to a point where he decided to do that knowing the risks, and the outcome, is a tragedy. Maybe we have different definitions of the word.

And not every celebrity needs to be your asshole piece of shit human being stereotype. This dude has his own head and his own thoughts you know, as much as you. You dont know shit about him yet you judge him.
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I think you misunderstand me. You seem to think I'm hating on him because he's a celebrity. No, I think anyone that is an adult that is aware of the risks of alcohol and driving when under the influence makes a choice between life and potential death when they get behind the wheel.

If my alcoholic father were to die while drunk driving, I wouldn't consider his death a tragedy, because he chose to take that risk. If he took someone else out with him, their death would be a tragedy.

And no, we don't really 'know who this guy is', he's as much of a stranger to us as Joe Average. Putting celebrities up on a pedestal is silly.
 
taylor910 said:
How many clicks did it take to find out his car was an 07? Is it possible the recall could be expanded? Is it possible you are not a dick? Lol I was just posting news that was coincidentally similar to what happened.
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And I was just stating facts. Relax guy.. my "2 clicks" was just pointing out that if you click the link to the actual article from NY Times you'll see it's for 2010-2011 models.
 
SalsaShark said:
If he was indeed drunk and driving of course he was in the wrong and it is completely his fault.

I still think people here are jumping to conclusions on the whole "driver and passanger" situation. As much as we know the passenger was an asshole as well and encouraged him to drive, who knows, we certainly dont, and we shouldnt be judging.
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I agree, we don't know all the facts yet. I think it's fair to say reckless driving is inexcusable, but we should wait to see if this is positively what happened in this situation.
 
nVidiot_Whore said:
And I was just stating facts. Relax guy.. my "2 clicks" was just pointing out that if you click the link to the actual article from NY Times you'll see it's for 2010-2011 models.
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All good. Mind posting a link showing his car model and year?
 
Beaulieu said:
That's because he has a drinking/drugs problem...

Edit: seriously though, ppl in this thread are mostly fucktard.
Guy made a mistake, he's dead, and that's sad.
Dont judge a person's entire life on one mistake.
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people with drinking+driving problems will make that mistake many times before the inevitable. If the person did not get caught, than he/she needs to understand the next day how idiotic the decision was, rather than going and doing it again.
 
BoobPhysics101 said:
And no, we don't really 'know who this guy is', he's as much of a stranger to us as Joe Average. Putting celebrities up on a pedestal is silly.
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huh? who is putting celebrities on a pedestal? im just saying that we know who this guy is, i mean that in the most literal way possible. Not saying he's our friend or anything, just saying that we know his name, what he looks like, and what he did. That's more than enough to naturally react to his death in a different way than the way we would with an average joe.
 
Tmz has a video interview with April and Phil Margera. its pretty sad but worth a watch
 
Shit is a tragedy. 2 families and tons of friends lost a friend. How is that not a tragedy? He made a stupid fucking mistake, that's entirely fair to say.

But this thread is being over powered but one posters opinion. State your case then move the fuck on! Not everyone is going to come to your conclusion internet guy.
 
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