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Ryan Dunn passes away, car crash

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Yaboosh said:
Have you done breath tests?
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Never.

Your buddy has a breathalyzer huh ? Does he have it calibrated often ?

Every online BAC calc says a 180 lbs man can drink 4 beers in an hour and be legal. The BAC calcs aren't wrong, you're the one that is sorely mistaken. My point is that the legal BAC limit is very generous. Nobody is getting a DUI for having 2 beers and driving.

If the BAC calc case doesn't match your experience, you likely weigh less than 180lbs, or drink beer with an alcohol % higher than whatever beer they use to make the calcs. I think most canned beer in the US is around 5%, but I know microbrews can go much higher.
 
Death Dealer said:
Your buddy has a breathalyzer huh ? Does he have it calibrated often ?


Every online BAC calc says a 180 lbs man can drink 4 beers in an hour and be legal. The BAC calcs aren't wrong.

If that's not the case in your experience, you likely weigh less than 180lbs, or drink beer with an alcohol % higher than whatever beer they use to make the calcs. I think most canned beer in the US is around 5%, but I know microbrews can go much higher.
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It isn't the bargain basement brand, but i don't know how often he has it calibrated. I do know that I had 4 (fairly moderate alcohol) beers over the course of 4 hours, passed through a sobriety checkpoint, had to blow, and blew a .05. They very nearly took me in (that is the limit in Colorado) but because I passed all their other checks with flying colors (I felt completely sober too), they let me go. That was a massive wake up call for me personally, and now I will have more than a single beer when I will be driving at all that night.
 
Death Dealer said:
Never.

Your buddy has a breathalyzer huh ? Does he have it calibrated often ?

Every online BAC calc says a 180 lbs man can drink 4 beers in an hour and be legal. The BAC calcs aren't wrong, you're the one that is sorely mistaken. My point is that the legal BAC limit is very generous. Nobody is getting a DUI for having 2 beers and driving.

If the BAC calc case doesn't match your experience, you likely weigh less than 180lbs, or drink beer with an alcohol % higher than whatever beer they use to make the calcs. I think most canned beer in the US is around 5%, but I know microbrews can go much higher.
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There's a lot that can change what a breathalyzer displays - residual alcohol in the mouth (try taking a shot of liquor and blowing a minute later), how much you ate (certain foods and food volume can slow absorption into the bloodstream), how quickly you drank (i.e. slam 4 beers in the middle of the hour? Evenly space them? 2 in the beginning and 2 at the end?) and how your body handles alcohol. Not every 180 lb man is the same.
 
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The sad, sad, sad, thing of this whole ordeal is that Zach, Dunn's passenger, lived literally, 50 feet past the end of this offramp, on the right hand side of the road. He literally died 100 yards away from his house. I don't know if this was stated or not.
 
PS3GamerKyle said:
The sad, sad, sad, thing of this whole ordeal is that Zach, Dunn's passenger, lived literally, 50 feet past the end of this offramp, on the right hand side of the road. He literally died 100 yards away from his house. I don't know if this was stated or not.

Dunn's earlier accident (not the one where he flipped his car like six times or however many times it was), I think it was in 2005?, happened 2 minutes away from my house.
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So which one of those three houses he lived in?

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EricHasNoPull said:
So which one of those three houses he lived in?

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TBH, I'm not actually sure. I know the bottom of the three, closest to the accident, is like an apartment type building with multiple tenants. I can't say specifically. All I see are news vans going in and out from time to time from that one driveway that houses all of those buildings.
 
The thing that bugs me is that drinking and driving is still completely socially acceptable. Dunn's case ended in tragedy, but I guarantee you 30 other people left that bar drunk as shit but didn't hit a tree or get pulled over. This was in PA right? The thing is, especially in rural communities, there's no public transit. Where I live there's at least 30 bars and strip joints in a 30 mile radius and a single cab company that's a 40 minute wait on a Tuesday. I just assume every one that goes to the bars around here is getting loaded and drives home. My thing with Dunn is that he should have learned from his past mistakes. DUI first offense is a really, really common crime, but most offenders realize after the first arrest and the punishment that goes along with it that it's not worth the risk getting behind the wheel after one drink.
 
GillianSeed79 said:
The thing that bugs me is that drinking and driving is still completely socially acceptable. Dunn's case ended in tragedy, but I guarantee you 30 other people left that bar drunk as shit but didn't hit a tree or get pulled over. This was in PA right? The thing is, especially in rural communities, there's no public transit. Where I live there's at least 30 bars and strip joints in a 30 mile radius and a single cab company that's a 40 minute wait on a Tuesday. I just assume every one that goes to the bars around here is getting loaded and drives home. My thing with Dunn is that he should have learned from his past mistakes. DUI first offense is a really, really common crime, but most offenders realize after the first arrest and the punishment that goes along with it that it's not worth the risk getting behind the wheel after one drink.
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What makes you say that? A majority of people in this thread have been condemning Dunn since the news broke. It is most definitely not "socially acceptable".
 
Ninja Scooter said:
What makes you say that? A majority of people in this thread have been condemning Dunn since the news broke. It is most definitely not "socially acceptable".
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Gaf is not a representative sample of society as a whole by any stretch, nor is what someone says on a message board at all indicative of what they would say in real life.

Condemning drunk driving is a province of the older and wiser among us, for the most part. I'm not saying it's socially acceptable, just that it's often times one of those things that's condemned with the same conviction as kids playing in the street. Eventually you hit an age where even if you've driven drunk you think "Jesus, that's a really terrible decision" but I think that by and large younger people, especially those that live in areas with poor or nonexistent public transportation, take it about as seriously as they take anything that isn't the end of a relationship or a bad test score.
 
Kano On The Phone said:
Gaf is not a representative sample of society as a whole by any stretch, nor is what someone says on a message board at all indicative of what they would say in real life.

Condemning drunk driving is a province of the older and wiser among us, for the most part. I'm not saying it's socially acceptable, just that it's often times one of those things that's condemned with the same conviction as kids playing in the street. Eventually you hit an age where even if you've driven drunk you think "Jesus, that's a really terrible decision" but I think that by and large younger people, especially those that live in areas with poor or nonexistent public transportation, take it about as seriously as they take anything that isn't the end of a relationship or a bad test score.
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Yeah but I don't think it's "socially acceptable". For the most part people look down on those with DUIs, there is much more crackdown (though punishments could be more severe), checkpoints, people at bars are more likely to whip out their phones and call the cops if they see someone drunk try and drive off (at least where I'm at), also more likely to have a DD or call a cab. Granted it still happens, but calling it "socially acceptable" is like saying it's still "socially acceptable" to beat your wife.
 
Matthew Gallant said:
Ryan Dunn has a beard and killed a Navy SEAL by suicide. Terrorist sleeper agent activated by Bin Laden's death confirmed.
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Not too soon, just a really, really bad joke.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
What makes you say that? A majority of people in this thread have been condemning Dunn since the news broke. It is most definitely not "socially acceptable".
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I am calling out Dunn. I'm just pointing out what the reality is. If I go into work tommorow there's probably going to be at least 10 DUI arrests. I live in a small town. A major metropolitan area probably has 100 DUI's on a Friday. You don't hear about it because DUI aarests only make headlines when someone kills someone or is in a serious accident.

Edit: Jesus, look at my posts in this thread. I've been pretty damning, I'm just saying drunk driving is pretty common and acceptable behavior among young people.
 
GillianSeed79 said:
I am calling out Dunn. I'm just pointing out what the reality is. If I go into work tommorow there's probably going to be at least 10 DUI arrests. I live in a small town. A major metropolitan area probably has 100 DUI's on a Friday. You don't hear about it because DUI aarests only make headlines when someone kills someone or is in a serious accident.
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There's probably just as many incidents of domestic violence, child abuse, sex crimes, ect...does that make those socially acceptable? I don't think most people think it's "okay" to drink and drive.
 
God, people. No, it's not acceptable behavior. But have none of you ever heard of basic human politeness? The guy is dead. What good does your internet admonishment do? Congrats, you're right. You're also gloating over a dead body.

Get some perspective.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
There's probably just as many incidents of domestic violence, child abuse, sex crimes, ect...does that make those socially acceptable? I don't think most people think it's "okay" to drink and drive.
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I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. My point is that drunk driving SHOULD be socially unacceptable. My point is that, unfortunately, drunk driving is socially acceptable. Trust me, Dunn's car is not the first one I've seen wrapped around a tree. FUCK, when did I become drunk drivers defense force. Read my other posts in this thread.
 
GillianSeed79 said:
I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. My point is that drunk driving SHOULD be socially unacceptable. My point is that, unfortunately, drunk driving is socially acceptable. Trust me, Dunn's car is not the first one I've seen wrapped around a tree. FUCK, when did I become drunk drivers defense force. Read my other posts in this thread.
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Well if you are waiting for a day when nobody ever drinks and drives it's not gonna happen. Bad shit happens, doesn't mean it's "socially acceptable". I think we are arguing semantics I just don't think drinking and driving is nearly as okay as it was 50 or 20 years ago.
 
lawlohwhat said:
I like jackass as much as anyone, but why does anyone care about this guy besides his close family/friends? Dude was driving like a fucking moron and got what he deserved for it.
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This. Except I never liked Jackass.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Well if you are waiting for a day when nobody ever drinks and drives it's not gonna happen. Bad shit happens, doesn't mean it's "socially acceptable". I think we are arguing semantics I just don't think drinking and driving is nearly as okay as it was 50 or 20 years ago.
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You're probably lucky enough to live in a place where you can walk or use public transportation.

In hellhole southern cities where everyone drives everywhere, everyone drives everywhere. There is no stigma to drunk driving.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Well if you are waiting for a day when nobody ever drinks and drives it's not gonna happen. Bad shit happens, doesn't mean it's "socially acceptable". I think we are arguing semantics I just don't think drinking and driving is nearly as okay as it was 50 or 20 years ago.
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Fair enough man. Poor use of wsrds on my part. I'm totally not saying drunk is cool or anything.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
What makes you say that? A majority of people in this thread have been condemning Dunn since the news broke. It is most definitely not "socially acceptable".
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I'm from Europe and I've visited the States twice in the last two months, both times Long Island, and the amount of drink driving that goes on over there is beyond ridiculous. If anything I saw that was socially acceptable over there, it was drink driving. No-one took a taxi, everyone drove home from the bar.

The problem is that the punishment is way too lenient, at least in New York.

Where I live you'd get a prison sentence and lose your license for at least 2 years.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
You're probably lucky enough to live in a place where you can walk or use public transportation.

In hellhole southern cities where everyone drives everywhere, everyone drives everywhere. There is no stigma to drunk driving.
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It's not even limited to southern cities. Basically anywhere that isn't a metropolitan city with a subway system is going to be like this to some extent.

Maybe socially acceptable was a poor choice of words, but GillianSeed is right on the money.
 
WanderingWind said:
God, people. No, it's not acceptable behavior. But have none of you ever heard of basic human politeness? The guy is dead. What good does your internet admonishment do? Congrats, you're right. You're also gloating over a dead body.

Get some perspective.
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I'm not so sure gloating is the right word for what's happening here. This guy's actions were so brazenly, profoundly stupid and dangerous that it's difficult to find the kind of sympathy and/or posthumus respect some insist he deserves. At those speeds - and under the influence, no less - you're basically saying that you don't give a single fuck about the lives or safety of those around you: not those in the car with you, not those sharing the road with you, certainly not yourself. None whatsoever.

It's difficult to even be polite about someone whose brain works like that.
 
I think this is the best guess on what happened that night:

-Dunn and friends have drinks at the bar
-Dunn is over the limit but drives home anyway
-Dunn is messing around and driving way too fast
-Dunn isn't paying attention and doesn't see their exit coming up
-The passenger yells at Dunn that he is going to miss the exit
-Dunn looks over and tries to take the exit late while going way too fast
 
Drunk driving is definitely socially accepted in certain crowds (particularly young, party-going crowds). Just about every one of us who has spent a night at a bar, club, or house party has known or seen people getting into cars while inebriated, and have personally driven drunk. It's only vocally derided when someone dies. As the saying goes: "It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye."
 
Ninja Scooter said:
There's probably just as many incidents of domestic violence, child abuse, sex crimes, ect...does that make those socially acceptable? I don't think most people think it's "okay" to drink and drive.
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I completely disagree with this. I know plenty of people who have driven drunk. In fact if you talk to people about these situations particularly adults, they'll probably say something like, this could've happened to any of us. I personally don't even drink period, but if you have friends who party or drink a lot, there's a damn good chance they've taken the risk and taken the "5 minute" ride home and prayed they didn't get pulled over.

edit- changed the quote.

All this being said, Domestic Violence, Child Abuse, and Sex Crimes are completely intentional and in their mind KNOW they are doing harm to someone. With drunk driving people are stupid and think they're above that. I'm not saying that makes it right, but around here anything like child abuse or hitting your spouse does a lot more damage to you as a person than driving home drunk. It's sad it happens so often, but people are stupid.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
For the record, I definitely did not get that impression from your posts.
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And with that, I realize I'm an asshole. No, seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I'm an asshole and deserve mocking. I hate myself. Read my post he quoted and you'll get it.
 
PS3GamerKyle said:
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The sad, sad, sad, thing of this whole ordeal is that Zach, Dunn's passenger, lived literally, 50 feet past the end of this offramp, on the right hand side of the road. He literally died 100 yards away from his house. I don't know if this was stated or not.
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What I don't understand is why they were on the bypass in the first place. If Zach lived on pottstown pike, which is literary down the street from the bar, why did they take the bypass.

Either they made a stop somewhere before they headed towards Zach's house, or they got on the bypass to see how fast the car could go
 
GloveSlap said:
I think this is the best guess on what happened that night:

-Dunn and friends have drinks at the bar
-Dunn is over the limit but drives home anyway
-Dunn is messing around and driving way too fast
-Dunn isn't paying attention and doesn't see their exit coming up
-The passenger yells at Dunn that he is going to miss the exit
-Dunn looks over and tries to take the exit late while going way too fast
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Exactly what I thought when I saw that he slammed on the break near an off-ramp.
 
franknbeans said:
What I don't understand is why they were on the bypass in the first place. If Zach lived on pottstown pike, which is literary down the street from the bar, why did they take the bypass.

Either they made a stop somewhere before they headed towards Zach's house, or they got on the bypass to see how fast the car could go
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Yeah you are totally right. In fact, if we can assume Dunn was taking Zach straight home from the bar, they literally went OUT of their way. The bar is on the street, which, if you follow it for 2 miles out of town, you would run into Zach's house. Sure, you would be going on a road which had a 25mph speed limit for most of it (turning into 45 on pottstown pike), but it is the direct route.

So it's obvious they went on 322 bypass just to speed, or they had other things they were doing and went that way. We will never truly know.
 
GillianSeed79 said:
And with that, I realize I'm an asshole. No, seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I'm an asshole and deserve mocking. I hate myself. Read my post he quoted and you'll get it.
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Don't beat yourself up, just poor choice of words. I think you meant it's widespread behavior among youth rather than socially acceptable behavior.
 
Never understand people getting angry at random strangers for being disrespectful to the dead, we didnt know him, you knew the bloke who he played in Jackass.

sympathy is for the friends and family of the person who has passed, for us its a clear reminder of why you dont drink and drive.

Also the Passenger must take some responsiblity as well, I have refused to get in a friends car before because he had drunken too much, I got the bus home. I tried my best to stop him but I will not put my life at risk because he chose to.
 
Death Dealer said:
Every online BAC calc says a 180 lbs man can drink 4 beers in an hour and be legal.
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You certainly CAN.

You can also be 180 pounds, drink 2 beers in an hour, and be over the limit.

Too many factors. "BAC Calculators" are based on fairly simple formulas that attempt to find some average affect. If they aren't a complete joke, they'll tell you that.. and tell you how it's not necessarily accurate.

Your best bet is to never drink more than 2 beers before you drive, and give yourself a good hour before you do so. MANY MANY people have gotten DUI's going out to dinner, having a "few beers", then driving right home.

I've WATCHED people drink 2 beers over the course of an hour dinner who got DUI's on their drive home.
 
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