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Sakurai Confirms Ice Climbers Died for 3DS Sins
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SliceSabre
Banned
I believe like one of the first things they said when the games where announced that there is no cross play.
Are we expecting many gameplay limitations due to shitty hardware threads?
If so, yeah.
They don't matter when you have a library full of indies.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
They should man up
robotzombie
Member
People don't really buy fighting games for specific stages or specific alternate game modes however. They will buy a game for specific characters, and to put exclusive characters in the different versions would probably cause more controversy than the loss of a single character due to the constraints of one of the systems.
Wii U needs anything it can get!
Tempesta di Fuoco
Banned
I don't know the guy, why does he keep posting it in every thread?
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
They were top/upper tier in both melee and brawl
I'm becoming more and more certain we won't have any DLC. I was sure they could hve gotten then to work with more dev time.
Ugh. I'm so sad
I'm sure there will be DLC.
Just not on the level hardcore fans are expecting...
The12thGripper
Member
but they would make more money with practically the same game
let's see, 60 FPS, 3D, at most 8 independently-acting characters onscreen, and understanding what we do about the 3DS already... doesn't sound so dumb.
"I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where..."
Depends what engine they run.
They couldn't have just reduced their model complexity by half? Rosalina & Luma work. Olimar & 3 Pikmin work.
This is the real reason: Sakurai just hates Ice Climbers.
There's no "technical limitations". Sakurai is just lying.
Thank you 3DS for costing us one of the more unique characters in the series. All because of Sakurai's overly fond attitude towards handhelds.
Let's have them WiiU exclusive then rather than lose them completely.... Nope can't have those WiiU users get a character the 3DS ones don't get. It's not like SSB was a console series before this or anything. Let's just take away an entire character from one set of users due to the shortcomings of another version, seems completely rational and fair.
Let's have them WiiU exclusive then rather than lose them completely.... Nope can't have those WiiU users get a character the 3DS ones don't get. It's not like SSB was a console series before this or anything. Let's just take away an entire character from one set of users due to the shortcomings of another version, seems completely rational and fair.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, I've gone from just not being interested in the 3DS version to outright despising it. It's holding the Wii U version back.
I'll be even more disappointed if the stage selection in the Wii U version is as disappointing as it is on 3DS. The resources they spent essentially making two different games could have been better spent making one even better game.
And Luma/Pikmin don't have the same AI requirements as Nana. Playing with 4x Ice Climbers requires the game to support at least 4 Nana AIs plus the Popos, which can be AI or player controlled.
I'll be even more disappointed if the stage selection in the Wii U version is as disappointing as it is on 3DS. The resources they spent essentially making two different games could have been better spent making one even better game.
And Luma/Pikmin don't have the same AI requirements as Nana. Playing with 4x Ice Climbers requires the game to support at least 4 Nana AIs plus the Popos, which can be AI or player controlled.
There will be, count on it. If not already decided upon by Sakurai, Nintendo will mandate it. No way Nintendo will pass up the license to print money.I'm becoming more and more certain we won't have any DLC. I was sure they could hve gotten then to work with more dev time.
Ugh. I'm so sad
EmCeeGramr
Member
what
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
KelpPlankton
Member
They couldn't have just reduced their model complexity by half? Rosalina & Luma work. Olimar & 3 Pikmin work.
It's not about model complexity, it's about Nana's AI. Having Ice Climbers in a 4 player match means 4 human players and 1 full CPU player AI. Having 4 ICs means 4 humans and 4 CPUs.
Having 4 CPU Ice Climbers means 8 CPU players in one match.
You can see why the 3DS would have trouble with this, I think.
Luma's AI basically doesn't exist, and the Pikmin have no AI either. Ice Climbers are full CPU-controlled characters.
It still sucks, though. I'm sure they'll return for Smash 5, considering why they were cut.
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Deleted member 74300
Unconfirmed Member
Sakurai does what Sakurai wants.
Fans want Ridley. Sakurai doesn't. No Ridley.
KI:U has a ton of weapons with one being "owned" by Dark Pit. Dark Pit is a clone with the same weapons as Pit and he only uses his own weapon in his final smash.
This man does not care about what his fans want. I refuse to believe Jigglypuff is more popular than Mewtwo.
Hell, three games after they debuted, Falco and Ganondorf are STILL clones.
Glass Rebel
Member
Just goes to show that they could have made them run on 3DS if they didn't have to develop the game on Wii U too.
Jeez, Sakurai.
Jeez, Sakurai.
I just wanted a character or two with a few new stages. Now I'm thinking we might get, like, a reject trophy pack or something.
I would have loved a veteran fighter pack and a newcomer pack. Why can't my dreams come true.
I'm not using the word "wildly" for one character. I'm saying that the potential for each game is vastly different based on the power differential between the consoles. It's foolish to try and create the same experience on two platforms when one platform offers you the potential to do so much more.
Are you serious? If the game can run at 60 FPS then surely the Ice Climbers can be put in to the game without it dipping down past 50-55?
People will seriously believe anything Sakurai says as if he's some worshiped god.. Oh wait a second..
Steve Youngblood
Member
I don't know. Personally, I just don't see it. If they were literally supposed to be the same game and include features like cross-platform play (i.e. I could play online on my 3DS against someone using the Wii U version), this would make sense to me. Otherwise, it strikes me as rather silly.
By virtue of the platforms released, the MSRP for the Wii U version will be $20 higher. For that premium, you get better visuals obviously. It also makes sense to me to include more characters. Like many people, I'm buying both versions. I don't see how Ice Climbers in Wii U diminishes the value of the 3DS version.
Good there can only be only one ice warrior in Smash Bros
Elsa confirmed for Smash Bros as DLC.
Pffwhahaah I think something went wrong with your image.
So is that why Playstation All-Star Royal was crap and bombed in sales?
Elsa confirmed for Smash Bros as DLC.
but...but NES could handle them!
Pffwhahaah I think something went wrong with your image.
So is that why Playstation All-Star Royal was crap and bombed in sales?
kuroneko0509
Member
What do you mean artificially delay this one for a month? Iinm the current situation is all those who are in debug team are focusing on 3DS first then Wii U. If they want to release it at the same time, splitting the debug team into 2 doesn't always mean the total workload ends up the same in the long run. Besides, Sakurai himself is doing debugging/playtest so if he's switching focus too many times on both version, it wouldn't be as fast as right now.
Even so, exclusive characters have happened throughout the history of the genre, and it's still happening even in games that are released in the current era.
Therefore, it wouldn't be completely unprecedented if the portable version was made into the designated "mini-version", while the console version was acknowledged as the "main one". Hell, that's the usual parlance for fighting game ports.
Tempesta di Fuoco
Banned
I don't want a Smash Bros. where the framerate drops below 60. That sounds fucking awful.
SerTapTap
Member
A bit of a shame, silly as it was, there was something mind-blowing about seeing 8 of these suckers (4 players, all ice climbers) on screen at once. I didn't even like playing as 'em that much but I found it pretty cool.
For all we know it's a marketing thing (amiibos anyone?) not necessarily Sakurai's call.
It's not just ONE Ice climber, anyone that can be played as one player could potentially be played in all slots. Not that a single character introducing framedrops is acceptable in any way, either.
For all we know it's a marketing thing (amiibos anyone?) not necessarily Sakurai's call.
It's not just ONE Ice climber, anyone that can be played as one player could potentially be played in all slots. Not that a single character introducing framedrops is acceptable in any way, either.
Aquamarine
Member
Forced character parity is an utterly bizarre design decision.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
This is another reason for me to hate the 3DS ver.