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sonycowboy
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cvxfreak said:
Word of warning.
I guarantee they'll interfere. Shrine of data only provided cumulative totals, whereas brosh is giving monthly breakdowns. Unfortunately, I'd say the shelf life is likely to be quite short with the way NPD has cracked down. They've recently cut off the analysts reports from giving any actual numbers on what they distribute.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Very nice, ioi.
So we always hear about NPD being a problem for sites like these, but do the Famitsus and Media Creates of the world ever make a fuss?
So we always hear about NPD being a problem for sites like these, but do the Famitsus and Media Creates of the world ever make a fuss?
It's like a bigger, badder EON 2.0 with an easier URL and fewer interstitial ads.AdmiralViscen said:
Fuzzy said:That's why your site is worthless.
BTW lock this thread, all it's for is to spam your site.
Eh, seems more like an extremely useful gaming-related resource than spam. But you're entitled to an opinion..
Anyway,
Excellent site. Plenty of potential. Remember; You MUST be careful in preventing any evidence of copyright infringement! Even though there isn't any, be careful
JodwayJJ said:Eh, seems more like an extremely useful gaming-related resource than spam. But you're entitled to an opinion..
Anyway,
Excellent site. Plenty of potential. Remember; You MUST be careful in preventing any evidence of copyright infringement! Even though there isn't any, be careful
I am being ;-)
Don't worry.
Early Japanese data up for this week
New SMB is really doing the business. I compared to Street Fighter 2, Chrono Trigger and Pokemon FR / LG but it's tracking well ahead so far:
http://www.vgcharts.org/japcomp.php?name1=New+Super+Mario+Bros&name2=Street+Fighter+II
http://www.vgcharts.org/japcomp.php?name1=New+Super+Mario+Bros&name2=Pokemon+Fire+Red+%2F+Leaf+Green
COmparing with Pokemon FR / LG should give an idication as to how well NSMB will do- Pokemon FR/LG did around 3m.
New SMB is really doing the business. I compared to Street Fighter 2, Chrono Trigger and Pokemon FR / LG but it's tracking well ahead so far:
http://www.vgcharts.org/japcomp.php?name1=New+Super+Mario+Bros&name2=Street+Fighter+II
http://www.vgcharts.org/japcomp.php?name1=New+Super+Mario+Bros&name2=Pokemon+Fire+Red+%2F+Leaf+Green
COmparing with Pokemon FR / LG should give an idication as to how well NSMB will do- Pokemon FR/LG did around 3m.
goldenpp72
Member
am i mistaken or are there only halo 1 and 2 listed for xbox?
You are mistaken.goldenpp72 said:
Mr. Pointy
Member
Cool, it's a bit weird seeing no Xbox or PSP sales in the US.ioi said:For now, more will be added soon
Craig Majaski
Member
Very cool site, but some data seems a bit off.
For example...how come Luigi's Mansion is nowhere on the sales lists anywhere? Wave Race made the Top 10 sales when GameCube came out, but Luigi's Mansion is never on the charts...ever? I remember that title selling very well.
Also, when you look at Madden 2004 vs Madden 2005 the months are exactly the same sales, like you copied and pasted. Just strange.
For example...how come Luigi's Mansion is nowhere on the sales lists anywhere? Wave Race made the Top 10 sales when GameCube came out, but Luigi's Mansion is never on the charts...ever? I remember that title selling very well.
Also, when you look at Madden 2004 vs Madden 2005 the months are exactly the same sales, like you copied and pasted. Just strange.
Craig Majaski said:
Luigi's Mansion is missing from which charts, Japan? It's one of those games I've been putting off for the time being since MC / Famitsu / Dengeki disagreed so much when it came out about how much it sold (about 210k week 1 in MC, 110k in Famitsu for example) that I've found it hard to come to a conclusion, it will be on the list of games to add though.
Why does someone with such a screwed up view of videogame sales such as ioi have to run the video game sales sites?
I want accurate NPD, Media-Create, and Charttrack data. If there isn't any, I don't want to be mislead.
That's what ioi does. NOT EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.
There is NO scientific approach to how he extrapolates the sales data.
I want accurate NPD, Media-Create, and Charttrack data. If there isn't any, I don't want to be mislead.
That's what ioi does. NOT EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.
There is NO scientific approach to how he extrapolates the sales data.
Magicpaint
Member
CoolTrick said:
You never tire do you?
Magicpaint
Member
CoolTrick said:
The problem is you're acting like his numbers are way off, they aren't 100% accurate, but they're not misleading either. You get the rough idea of what the real sales numbers should be like.
Media-Create, NPD and Chart-Track aren't 100% accurate either. Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
This is an especially ignorant comment. Take the Japanese Sales figures. I once compared Mario Kart DS to the SNES Mario Kart. How does ioi know that Mario Kart sold 26,487 week 31 or what ever the number might be? How could he even begin to be so exact if it charted below #10? There is no way. The figure could be off by as much as 10,000 to 15,000. Take that margin of error and apply it to the countless weeks Mario Kart SNES spent racking up sales because it did sell many millions, and you could end up with a sales figure hundreds of thousands of units off.
They're 95% accurate.
Which for most people is more than enough. Does it matter if a game sells 3.11 or 3.17 or 3.08m? Does that really change your view on how well it has done?
Most people prefer complete numbers (with the gaps interpolated) than patchy bits of numbers that are supposedly 'accurate' (within the realms of their own inherant inaccuracy due to sampling / extrapolation etc). Nobody knows or will ever know for definite how much a game sold in a given week, there are different accounts from different sources, all of which have access to certain parts of the data, and I use all the information along with the luxury of hindsight to produce what I think is the closest account of reality possible. Of course I ask for a little trust in presenting the data to you, but why would I want to lie or mislead? The numbers are as accurate as humanly possible.
Stop moaning, you're like a broken record and about the only person left who still moans and tried to pick fault.
Which for most people is more than enough. Does it matter if a game sells 3.11 or 3.17 or 3.08m? Does that really change your view on how well it has done?
Most people prefer complete numbers (with the gaps interpolated) than patchy bits of numbers that are supposedly 'accurate' (within the realms of their own inherant inaccuracy due to sampling / extrapolation etc). Nobody knows or will ever know for definite how much a game sold in a given week, there are different accounts from different sources, all of which have access to certain parts of the data, and I use all the information along with the luxury of hindsight to produce what I think is the closest account of reality possible. Of course I ask for a little trust in presenting the data to you, but why would I want to lie or mislead? The numbers are as accurate as humanly possible.
Stop moaning, you're like a broken record and about the only person left who still moans and tried to pick fault.
CoolTrick said:
I haven't actually tracked Mario Kart SNES and the method you have suggested that is used to fill in gaps is rather amateurish and ridiculous and I'm quite embarassed and insulted- have you ever 1) actually visited the site or 2) read any of my previous explanations as to where the data comes from?
Magicpaint
Member
CoolTrick said:
I can't speak for everybody, but I've realised that the discrepancy between his numbers and media-creates aren't that big, same for NPD. Those under track so naturally, the number should be slightly higher.
I guess if you're picky, it might bother you, but really it clearly doesn't bother most of us here as much as it does you, so you just come off as a cry baby everytime you post another episode of your complaint.
How do you know?
You miss the point. There is no way to verify whether you are hundreds off, thousands off, tens of thousands off, and in some cases hundreds of thousands odd.
You're not lying. Just being extremely misleading. You won't post any kind of Caution warning that you do your own extrapolation of numbers.
Yes.
Yes but it's all crap because there is no scientific backing to any of the data inflation you do.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Oohoo, some JpGraph going on. Maybe this is already on your to-do list, but a line graph or two to go along with the weekly comparison chart for two games would be keen.ioi said:
JoshuaJSlone said:
Am going to work on that shortly actually, in a very similar vein to:
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DS&name2=GBA&type=0
Will be nice and easy.
And CoolTrick, I struggle to take you seriously any more. I'm happy to sit and go over once again and maybe in even more detail how I arrive at data, but I think it's a waste of time as you've obviously taken no notice of anything I've said in the past to be making the comments you are.
Flakster99
Member
CoolTrick said:
He's done so time and time again, in such threads that you have posted your opposing views, have read his replies to your questions and shared his methods. You're getting to the point where you're obsessing over him and his numbers to the point you're playing the part of an online stalker, kind of creepy, no?
NotSoCoolDick said:
Give it up. Just go jerk off to Billboards Top 40 or something. It's not like you have to..
A: Read this thread
B: View his website
C: Continue to be an asshat
Seriously GAF should do a "Asshat of the Week" sticky for the most annoying posters. I did it on a former website and there is nothing more enjoyable then smaking down unsuspecting users. Seeing their name in lights and then realizing that they are simply the scourge in the internet.
ioi,
Great work man and can't wait to see the Xbox and more sports games added. Don't waste time trying to explain yourself to people like him. Life is short enough as it is. Just keep doing what you are doing bro...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95061CoolTrick said:
Craig Majaski
Member
I was referring to Luigi's Mansion U.S. sales. It launched with the GameCube and didn't show up on any sales charts? Unless I missed it.
Square2005
Banned
My only complaint, ioi, are all the ads b/w pages on your website. Could you get rid of them?
Greenpanda
Banned
ioi, just wanted to say that it looks like you're doing a really good job with the site and I appreciate the work you've put into it 
. you're off to a great start!
. you're off to a great start!Site has alot going for it man. I've ben tinkering with the comparison charts, and the DS's software sales just slaughter everything before it. It's no constest. Check this out;
SOFTWARE CUMULATIVE 82 WEEKS.
SNES-5,895,000
N64-8,250,000
GB-4,937,250
GBA-7,107,250
PS-7,174,000
PS2-13,658,000
PSP-5,656,000
GC-6,275,250
DS-30,048,250
THAT IS JUST INSANE
SOFTWARE CUMULATIVE 82 WEEKS.
SNES-5,895,000
N64-8,250,000
GB-4,937,250
GBA-7,107,250
PS-7,174,000
PS2-13,658,000
PSP-5,656,000
GC-6,275,250
DS-30,048,250
THAT IS JUST INSANE
Square2005
Banned
moku said:
Uh..well ioi doesn't include the sales for every game especially for the older consoles.
moku said:
Woah, few points here to address. Right.
The Japanese data is still incomplete, SNES and GB data are massively incomplete around launch (SML, SMW, Tetris, Zelda III) so not particularly a worthwhile comparison, GBA has a lot of games missing past the first 20 or so weeks, PS2 is complete upto around week 50 but less so after that, GC should be about right, PSP is a little low, PS doesn't have much from 94.
But, having said that (and this is what I'm working on at the moment- the first two years from launch for each system) the DS is definitely way ahead of the pack. I'd put PS2 on around 20m in 82 weeks, GBA and PS on around 15m, N64 on around 10m, PSP on around 8m and GC on around 7m, and DS on 30m. Hardware will be spot on though. I'll try and concentrate today on getting all the launch data for the respective consoles complete and then we can repost this analysis with the correct figures. Sorry for any confusion here.
As for the adverts- I'm inclined to keep them for the time being, the site isn't bringing a lot of income at the moment (around $10 dollars per day) but enough to make the amount of time being put into it worthwhile (I'll probably spend every day this week inputting data to get it upto a reasonable standard- that's a lot of hours), if hits increase then I can obviously take the ads down- there shouldn't be many 'interstitial' ads anyway, it's set to one every hour per user i think.
I may well switch to US date system since around 90% of the users are US, makes more sense.
Luigis Mansion will be added to the us data shortly.
Japanese out there- fancy helping me out with some titles?
PS2
オレが監督だ！～激闘ペナントレース～ (エニックス
サンライズ英雄譚 (サンライズインタラクティブ
PS2
オレが監督だ！～激闘ペナントレース～ (エニックス
サンライズ英雄譚 (サンライズインタラクティブ
Stormbringer
Member
ioi said:Japanese out there- fancy helping me out with some titles?
PS2
オレが監督だ！～激闘ペナントレース～ (エニックス
サンライズ英雄譚 (サンライズインタラクティブ
"Ore Ga Kantoku da ! Gekitou Pennant Race" (Enix)
and
"Sunrise Eiyutan" (Sunrise Interactive)