JadedWriter
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Sally Field recalls working on The Amazing Spider-Man
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Maybe ASm2 hit you harder than you thought? I legit probably will never watch it again, but only because they did a really good job of building the Gwen death up. It's pretty heartbreaking, especially in a movie so full of highs
I did like that it represent Electro's internal monologue, but yes it's really pushing the limits. The lightshows and choregraphy make up for it, especially the city scene when Spidey saves the folks on the bleachers.
Sibersk Esto
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I assume the one with the really on the nose 'lyrics' like
HE HATES A-ME
HE USED A-ME
THAT SPIDERMAN HE IS MY A-ENEMY
Walter White Walker
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While I know she wasn't talking about the movie itself I do have to say that "10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag" aptly describes everything after the first Spiderman.
JadedWriter
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It hit me yes, but not the way you think. Zeta Gundam's ending tends to destroy me, but I've seen like 4 times so far. I just didn't enjoy most of the movie when I watched it. Maybe I'd enjoy it more the second time.
I've blocked out so much from this movie...
brandonh83
Banned
I can see that. I liked the Electro music a lot in general but I can see how some things about it bother people. The music and sound design on a home theater for that movie is really something so I can forgive it
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
wtf is the point of this when they are going to censor it anyway. This is so fucking stupid.
brandonh83
Banned
So... also just like every other studio with licenses.
brandonh83
Banned
That'd be phenomenal.
Sally's one little comment manages to describe so much about that movie.
Well, to be fair, Spider-Man 2 is universally praised. Rotten Tomatoes has it at 93% (96% for top critics). The average rating is 8.3/10. There were 48 "Fresh" Reviews to 2 "Rotten," which seems like universal praise to me. Some may argue that it's just critical opinion, but looking at the audience score, it's 81%. Some may still argue that Rotten Tomatoes isn't the end-all, be-all of film criticism. While I think RT is one of the better sites for this, that's still a fair point. Let's try Metacritic then: the Metascore is 83, while the user score is 8.3.
That's still pretty high. Of course, Metacritic gets its fair share of criticism with how it handles gaming reviews; maybe their presentation of movie reviews are similarly suspect, some might claim. Okay then. CinemaScore is a popular metric which gauges audience reception, so I'll check that. It got a score of A-. Not bad, but maybe they're sampling method isn't representative. We'll check a site that doesn't even factor in critic ratings or some BS from a marketing firm, yet has a large enough user base to still give us a good sense of what people thought. How about IMDB? Well IMDB shows Spider-Man 2 to have an aggregated score of 7.3/10, counting 392,022 reviews. Well...you got me. It's the one place where it managed to go below an 8/80%...Except we're not discussing game scores. 7.3 is still quite positive for a movie. I'm running out of places to check, but I'm seeing a trend here.
There's nothing wrong with not liking Spider-Man 2 and loving Amazing Spider-Man 2. I'm the same way at times for other movies. There are well-loved movies that I don't care for. There are also some movies that I really enjoy which, I will admit, are crap. As much as I think ASM2 is a bad film, it's not like I didn't enjoy certain aspects of it. Evaluating art can be a very subjective thing. When it comes to evaluating whether or not people generally liked a movie, however, this can get much more objective. As such, I think we can safely say Spider-Man 2 is a universally liked film.
It's always funny to see people make tonally "matter of fact" posts and then say something that bonkers.
Well, to be fair, Spider-Man 2 is universally praised. Rotten Tomatoes has it at 93% (96% for top critics). The average rating is 8.3/10. There were 48 "Fresh" Reviews to 2 "Rotten," which seems like universal praise to me. Some may argue that it's just critical opinion, but looking at the audience score, it's 81%. Some may still argue that Rotten Tomatoes isn't the end-all, be-all of film criticism. While I think RT is one of the better sites for this, that's still a fair point. Let's try Metacritic then: the Metascore is 83, while the user score is 8.3.
That's still pretty high. Of course, Metacritic gets its fair share of criticism with how it handles gaming reviews; maybe their presentation of movie reviews are similarly suspect, some might claim. Okay then. CinemaScore is a popular metric which gauges audience reception, so I'll check that. It got a score of A-. Not bad, but maybe they're sampling method isn't representative. We'll check a site that doesn't even factor in critic ratings or some BS from a marketing firm, yet has a large enough user base to still give us a good sense of what people thought. How about IMDB? Well IMDB shows Spider-Man 2 to have an aggregated score of 7.3/10, counting 392,022 reviews. Well...you got me. It's the one place where it managed to go below an 8/80%...Except we're not discussing game scores. 7.3 is still quite positive for a movie. I'm running out of places to check, but I'm seeing a trend here.
There's nothing wrong with not liking Spider-Man 2 and loving Amazing Spider-Man 2. I'm the same way at times for other movies. There are well-loved movies that I don't care for. There are also some movies that I really enjoy which, I will admit, are crap. As much as I think ASM2 is a bad film, it's not like I didn't enjoy certain aspects of it. Evaluating art can be a very subjective thing. When it comes to evaluating whether or not people generally liked a movie, however, this can get much more objective. As such, I think we can safely say Spider-Man 2 is a universally liked film.
Sapiens
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Well, the Raimi ones were shit. Spiderman 2 was maybe a 6/10 at best. They're in the Blade league in terms of quality. Maybe Blade 1 and 2 are slightly better than Spiderman 1 and 2.
As for the Amazing Spidermans - well, they were hit with the orci and kurtzman ugly-writing-stick - so they are even worse than Raimi ones - probably on the same level as Batman Forever and Robin.
Anyway, the true, real, struggle-is-real unpopular opinion is that both series kind of - AT LEAST - sucked.
I'm not even Armond-Whiting here - I genuinely don't like any of these Sony-Spiderman productions...
brandonh83
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Yes I meant bonkers as in saying Spider-man is good but not Spider-man 2. We're on the same page.
Only the second. The first Amazing Spider-man had a more competent screenplay and was written by Alvin Sargeant and Steve Kloves.
This is so spot on. In ASM2 during the first fight with Electro in Time Square when he uses the firehose on Electro and quick cut to Spidey standing there wearing the fireman helmet. Pitch fucking perfect. The ASM movies were the best portrayal of Spidey that we have had so far.
Ah, guess I misread it then.
ScreenSplitter
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I'm with you, there's not a Spidey film to date I'm completely happy with. We need a Deadpool/Iron Man caliber film of "Holy shit they GET this character"
dancrane212
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You're crazy, Rosemary Harris knocked it out of the park. Personal preference and all that but "cardboard" that is not.
ScreenSplitter
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She was good but wow she might as well carry a cardboard sign saying "MOTIVATIONAL SPEECH COMING"
I enjoyed Garfield as Spider-Man, doing Spidey-stuff. I felt he captured the essence of the character well (when in costume) and the action sequences weren't half bad. If they had cut most of the shitty subplots and actually showed a full battle with the Rhino, I think the movie could've been an enjoyably mediocre popcorn film. Of course, subplots took up most of the run time, so there would be even less of a movie left than we had at the start.
No way. That "hero" speech in Spider-Man 2 alone puts her above Fields. It is seared onto my heart.
Killer Queen
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I liked that itself, I just didn't like that it was synced to the music. Kinda felt like a poor man's combichrist (they did the music for the DMC Reboot
Wat
MisterHero
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Maybe MCU can have their own Spidey and Fox and Sony can arrange a Maguire-Jackman team-up movie. The Parkers move into the X-Mansion after MJ gives birth to Mayday. Hijinks really ensue when Deadpool misplaces baby May!No love for JMS' take on Aunt May?
And no shitty Iron Man to ruin everything
You should watch the movies again. This is literaly the point of ASM, where he has to decide to use his powers for more than just being a vigilante. The movies go out of their way to provide a better setup than "you didn't stop a guy, so now you must be responsible!" And some folks are like, why isn't he such a perfect person? Why would Peter be all happy go lucky with no parents, poor, and a social outcast? And him being hot doesn't stop the last thing from being true.
"Don't make promises you can't keep."
"But those are the best kind..."
WTF WAS THAT SCENE?! Sorry, but no. He consistently came off as an irredeemable jackass, and tried to play it off as charming.
But that is the set-up. Peter didn't stop the guy. He was responsible. That's the WHOLE POINT of the character. That's the whole "Great power, great responsibility". There is not better set-up than that because that's all Peter Parker ever needed or will ever need, because it's the very heart and soul of what makes him the hero that he is.
He doesn't have to be a "perfect" person, but he has to be a RESPONSIBLE one.
And ASM was pretty happy-go-lucky and popular compared to most renditions. I mean, he was with Gwen Stacy, after all.
brandonh83
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Raimi Aunt May was perfect
Secret Fawful
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You mean like most Moms and Aunts in real life when they're gonna sit you down and have a talk? It's not that unrealistic.
Ben Morales
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Okay, I'm finally watching the first ASM after avoiding it for years and I have to say I definitely dont hate it. I love Andrew Garfield as Parker and his scenes with Emma Stone are really good. Mega chemistry. It makes me wish this was the first Spidey movie instead of Raimi's. Raimi's were okay, but I really didn't like the casting (hated Maguire's Parker). Spider-Man 2 is always praised and it just didn't much for me personally. Doc Ock was good in it though.
MisterHero
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Sony will give him back to Raimi. They fucking nearly did too.
Well one thing for sure. MCU spidey better be good, because if its terrible also, IDK what the hells going to happen with that character.
MCU Spidey looks great but I kinda want it to happen TBH
Meh, you can argue that Spidey was with in his right to tell the dude fuck off. That places the emphasis on him just being able to beat someone up, so he should, which shouldn't be the point. What about people without power like Uncle Ben? What do they take from that message? A depowered Peter gets gut shot trying to stop the dude. ASM places emphasis on that decision, that Peter thinks outside of himself to help others, which is something everyone can do. This is emphasized by the super terrible crane scene.
Apparently the movie was supposed to end with them broke up, but the focus groups hated it. And they're in high school, I don't know what else to tell you.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I can't even begin to comprehend this statement, if only for the Dafoe Goblin arc over...whatever the fuck The Lizard was supposed to be.
Getting hurt or dying trying to do the right thing? Gee, that's so awful...
The ASM portrayal is just so SELFISH from start to finish.
That Peter was an irresponsible idiot whose inability to be responsible gets not only his uncle killed, his girlfriend's father killed, but also his girlfriend.
And he appears to learn absolutely no lessons from this.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
lol I still remember people trying to defend Peter Parker having no character arc from being a selfish fuckwad at the start of the film, to being an irresponsible selfish cunt at the end. The justification was 'it's only the first film, they set this all up so we can see him changed for the second film'.
Lol.
Horrible film.
Lol.
Horrible film.
SmackAttack
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Peter doesn't learn a single damn lesson throughout the two ASM films. Dude has no arc and doesn't grow as a character.
Not to derail too hard, but I hear the same thing about Superman in Man of Steel...
"Of course he's a violent, destructive guy who destroys people's trucks, buries people in the rubble of his fights, makes out with girls on the ashes of a destroyed city, and snaps necks... it's his first day on the job! He'll get better in the second movie. This was all set up to see him change in the second film!"
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Unsurprising. Superman/Cavill was barely present in his own film. He was window dressing. A hollow robot.
Peter being selfish in ASM was becoming Spider-Man despite living a shitty life and dating Gwen, Peter being selfish in ASM2 was saying no to Harry. I swear these types of complaints are projecting.
Why make things up? No character arc? Dude goes from being a selfish fuckwad with no parents, to finding a way to cope with being a bastard and realizing that he himself can be something. The early rumors were spot on about Nolan influence, because they tried to make it about being an ideal and not just an obligation.
So now we root against Spidey?
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