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Samsung Unveil 2022 Neo QLED Mini LED & MicroLED TV, But No QD-OLED (Yet)
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Insane Metal
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That's pretty cool. Pc guys will be pleased.
Shtef
Gold Member
And it will also include NFTs
www.cnet.com
Samsung Neo QLED TVs promise prettier pictures, better gaming at CES 2022
There's also an improved solar remote and a new smart TV system with -- wait for it -- built-in NFT purchasing.
www.cnet.com
Great Hair
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
And it will also include NFTs
Samsung Neo QLED TVs promise prettier pictures, better gaming at CES 2022
There's also an improved solar remote and a new smart TV system with -- wait for it -- built-in NFT purchasing.
When the NFT craze ends and people still have these TVs they are gonna be so confused.
<--- Will probably still have one of these super old TVs in like 10 years.
ParaSeoul
Member
Read the OP maybeAnd it will also include NFTs
Samsung Neo QLED TVs promise prettier pictures, better gaming at CES 2022
There's also an improved solar remote and a new smart TV system with -- wait for it -- built-in NFT purchasing.
ParaSeoul
Member
Don't get your hopes up.
Given that the smallest one is 89" I'm not expecting cheap. Oh well, at least it looks like it's a real microled and not a lcd with microled back lighting.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
You'll be waiting a LONG while.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Looking for a holy grail technology that will approach OLED qualities without the burn in. Use TV as PC monitor and no I'm not going to babysit a fucking TV.
Genx3
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That should be Micro LED. Problem is the panels are very expensive to make right now.
It'll probably be 5 years before those panels are affordable to produce for the masses.
So like every year the press claims they're jumping on OLED but Samsung Electronics just doesn't care. Samsung Display is the one doing R&D on OLED and QD-OLED.
Let's see if Sony actually launches some QD-OLED TVs this year but even in the case I fear it will be small volumes at really high prices like 3500-4000$ for a 55".
Sony's conference is tomorrow so we'll find out soon.
Let's see if Sony actually launches some QD-OLED TVs this year but even in the case I fear it will be small volumes at really high prices like 3500-4000$ for a 55".
Sony's conference is tomorrow so we'll find out soon.
Imtjnotu
Member
Micro Led has more to do with physics and less to do with price. Shrinking down LED's to that small at this point in time is impossible. Which is why the panels have to be so big to support so many lights in the screen
OLEDs pixels can be printed as small at 6.3um where as the smallest micron led is 50um.
This tech is maybe ten years away for anything smaller than a 75" where as oled has room to grow and improve
OLEDs pixels can be printed as small at 6.3um where as the smallest micron led is 50um.
This tech is maybe ten years away for anything smaller than a 75" where as oled has room to grow and improve
HeisenbergFX4
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Anytime I see talk of micro LED I always go back to this video from 2 years ago which still blows my mind
Kuranghi
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I think theres also a massive "time to manufacture" issue, I read it takes a huge amount of time for the robot arms to pick and place the required ~8.3 million (or ~33 million for 8K lol) "pixels".
In Vincent Teoh video an industry guy was saying how you needed to be at this manfacturing spec/tolerance level where you have errors in the parts per billion ratio rather than parts per million to achieve a reasonable yield rate for the panels and I think he said there was only a handful of factories in the world that had that rating at the time.
Great Hair
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"and dis?"
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"and you?"
"what is your job?"
"where you from?"
Two million nits? Why? Do we have someone living on Mars, who needs a tv with two million nits or pluto? Yikes.
ParaSeoul
Member
Well you're going to have to pay $100K plus or wait 10-15 years. Theres still people who think you need to baby OLEDs,maybe just stick to LCD in your case.
Starbuck2907
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I have a QN90A 65” and it works perfectly.
Leyasu
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Really? What console are you using?
lostinblue
Banned
If they have MicroLED mass production going on they can pack up the QD-LED Operation and just go from there.
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Mattyp
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It’s not going to be 10-15 years. 15 years ago we where still using CRTs the leaps and bounds have been incredible.
I’m all in on microled moment it’s $20k< for 140” screen.
Can I use an OLED as a PC monitor? No? Oh you need to baby it with any static image you say..
ParaSeoul
Member
Don't know how this disproves what I said.
Mister Wolf
Member
Its a great TV. Extremely happy with mine. Make sure you try out the Game Motion Plus feature with your 30fps games.
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Insane Metal
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QD-OLED is there.
www.flatpanelshd.com
The Samsung Odyssey G8QNB with a 34" UWQHD QD-OLED display has won the CES 2022 Best of Innovation Award
The Samsung Odyssey G8QNB with Samsung's own 34-inch QD-OLED display has won the CES 2022 Best of Innovation Award and has become a CES 2022 Innovation Honoree. With high-performance features like a 175Hz refresh rate and 0.1ms response time...
www.displayspecifications.com
Samsung's first QD-OLED TV will have HDMI 2.1, 144Hz
It's real, but not yet official
www.flatpanelshd.com
FeldMonster
Member
I think they are hedging their bets.
Samsung Electronics have LCD as the most mature technology, and are clearly the market leader in LCD technology. However, Samsung Display has recently ended LCD production due to Chinese price competition for LCD panels.
They are behind LG for TV size O.L.E.D., but are hoping to leapfrog them with QD-O.L.E.D. They likely have a patent advantage on that technology, due to their Q.L.E.D. tech the past few years.
Micro-LED is clearly "the future", but getting the cost down in manufacturing requires actually manufacturing panels and finding efficiencies along the way. If the time to achieve this is too long, they don't want to be stuck without mainstream products to sell, hence the mature LCD and near future QD-O.L.E.D. products in their pipeline.
ethomaz
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Yeap I believe we will see a lot more QLED and OLED from Samsung before we get microLED to a affordable consumer price... after all Samsung needs some high-end panels for TVs until microLED... so QD-OLED.
microLED will be a thing after 2025 maybe.
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ethomaz
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You need to think why not? After all the manufacturer probably got a cut from the sale.
So the question for the manufacture was probably “why not put a native app that allow us to increase the revenue?”.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Will just add this here on this thread.
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ethomaz
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Wearing thread?
HeisenbergFX4
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Just trying to keep all the TV talk in one post I guess people can start new threads on each if they like
https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/4/2...led-qdoled-4k-tv-announced-features-explainer
Sony is setting some pretty grand expectations with its 2022 TV lineup — led by the introduction of the world’s first consumer QD-OLED TV. The company’s current and well-regarded OLED sets use panels from LG Display that are tuned with Sony’s own processing. But the new flagship Bravia XR A95K TV will include a QD-OLED (quantum dot organic light emitting diode) panel manufactured by none other than Samsung Display. It’ll come in 65-inch and 55-inch sizes, with both coming in at 4K resolution.
It was rumored that Samsung Electronics might announce a QD-OLED 4K TV at CES 2022, but that hasn’t panned out so far. So it’s Sony that gets the prime spotlight instead. Samsung Display has been developing QD-OLED for a number of years, and the display technology could become something of a middle step between standard OLED and the MicroLED displays that only Samsung is selling right now — for ungodly sums of money.
QD-OLED is designed to combine the best traits of OLED (perfect blacks, infinite contrast, etc.) with benefits of quantum dot LED TVs like improved brightness and more vivid color reproduction at higher brightness levels. It’s not a major new approach like Micro LED, but more of a progression from where things have stood for a few years.
WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OLED AND QD-OLED?
QD-OLED screens differ from the traditional OLED panels that’ve long been manufactured by LG Display in the way they produce an image. LG’s displays are considered WRGB OLED, because they use blue and yellow OLED compound to generate white-ish light pixels that are passed through color filters to produce red, green, and blue sub-pixels. More recent OLED TVs also have a fourth unfiltered / white sub-pixel meant to enhance brightness — especially for HDR content.QD-OLED changes this up by emitting blue light through quantum dots to convert some of that blue into red and green without any need for the color filter. (Blue is used because it has the strongest light energy.) This leads to greater light energy efficiency; since you’re not losing any light to the color filters, QD-OLED TVs should offer brightness gains compared to past-generation OLEDs.
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They should also be able to maintain vivid quantum dot color reproduction even at peak brightness levels, whereas WRGB OLED can sometimes exhibit some desaturation when pushed that far. In Sony’s case, the company is claiming that QD-OLED “boosts color brightness by up to 200 percent compared to conventional TVs.” The already-superb viewing angles of OLED are claimed to be even better on QD-OLED since there’s more diffusion happening without the color filter in the way.
The possibility of burn-in isn’t eliminated by QD-OLED, but the hope is that these panels could exhibit a longer overall life span than existing OLED TVs since the pixels aren’t working as hard. Samsung Display is using three layers of blue OLED material for each pixel, and that could preserve their longevity.
Sony is still sourcing from LG Display for its other 2022 OLEDs, the A90K and A80K, so that business relationship isn’t going anywhere. But the company now finds itself in the unique position of having two different types of OLED TVs. It’ll be very interesting to see the head-to-head comparisons between QD-OLED and the best “normal” OLED sets from LG and Sony once they all start shipping to consumers this spring.
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Aside from its one-of-a-kind panel, the A95K comes with a unique stand that can either put the TV in a “front position” style, where the display is in front of the stand, or a “back position” if you want to position the pricey TV right up against a wall. The back of the TV also has a funky look to it that I can appreciate with built-in cable management. Even the step-down A90K OLED’s stand has a trick where it can raise the display enough for a soundbar to rest on it without obstructing the view.
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All of Sony’s latest OLEDs will support 4K gaming at 120Hz, auto HDR tone mapping when connected to a PS5, and auto low latency mode. And these TVs will finally ship with the option for variable refresh rate out of the box instead of making buyers wait for a software update like past models. Hopefully that’s a sign that VRR is coming closer to arriving on the PlayStation 5 itself.
Google TV remains Sony’s software of choice for 2022, and the lineup continues to feature the company’s word salad of branded features like XR OLED Contrast Pro, XR Triluminos Max (for the A95K) or Pro (for the rest), and Acoustic Surface Audio Plus. Sony really does get some fantastic audio performance from its premium TVs, and its in-house processing also slightly bests LG’s OLED lineup in picture quality, so the names are probably here to stay.
Sony also announced its first line of Micro LED TVs, which I’ve covered separately. Pricing and specific release dates for all the TVs will be announced in the coming months.
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ethomaz
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It just there is an active thread for Sony TVs.Just trying to keep all the TV talk in one post I guess people can start new threads on each if they like
https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/4/2...led-qdoled-4k-tv-announced-features-explainer
Sony is setting some pretty grand expectations with its 2022 TV lineup — led by the introduction of the world’s first consumer QD-OLED TV. The company’s current and well-regarded OLED sets use panels from LG Display that are tuned with Sony’s own processing. But the new flagship Bravia XR A95K TV will include a QD-OLED (quantum dot organic light emitting diode) panel manufactured by none other than Samsung Display. It’ll come in 65-inch and 55-inch sizes, with both coming in at 4K resolution.
It was rumored that Samsung Electronics might announce a QD-OLED 4K TV at CES 2022, but that hasn’t panned out so far. So it’s Sony that gets the prime spotlight instead. Samsung Display has been developing QD-OLED for a number of years, and the display technology could become something of a middle step between standard OLED and the MicroLED displays that only Samsung is selling right now — for ungodly sums of money.
QD-OLED is designed to combine the best traits of OLED (perfect blacks, infinite contrast, etc.) with benefits of quantum dot LED TVs like improved brightness and more vivid color reproduction at higher brightness levels. It’s not a major new approach like Micro LED, but more of a progression from where things have stood for a few years.
WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OLED AND QD-OLED?
QD-OLED screens differ from the traditional OLED panels that’ve long been manufactured by LG Display in the way they produce an image. LG’s displays are considered WRGB OLED, because they use blue and yellow OLED compound to generate white-ish light pixels that are passed through color filters to produce red, green, and blue sub-pixels. More recent OLED TVs also have a fourth unfiltered / white sub-pixel meant to enhance brightness — especially for HDR content.
QD-OLED changes this up by emitting blue light through quantum dots to convert some of that blue into red and green without any need for the color filter. (Blue is used because it has the strongest light energy.) This leads to greater light energy efficiency; since you’re not losing any light to the color filters, QD-OLED TVs should offer brightness gains compared to past-generation OLEDs.
A simplified breakdown of QD-OLED. Image: Samsung Display
They should also be able to maintain vivid quantum dot color reproduction even at peak brightness levels, whereas WRGB OLED can sometimes exhibit some desaturation when pushed that far. In Sony’s case, the company is claiming that QD-OLED “boosts color brightness by up to 200 percent compared to conventional TVs.” The already-superb viewing angles of OLED are claimed to be even better on QD-OLED since there’s more diffusion happening without the color filter in the way.
The possibility of burn-in isn’t eliminated by QD-OLED, but the hope is that these panels could exhibit a longer overall life span than existing OLED TVs since the pixels aren’t working as hard. Samsung Display is using three layers of blue OLED material for each pixel, and that could preserve their longevity.
Sony is still sourcing from LG Display for its other 2022 OLEDs, the A90K and A80K, so that business relationship isn’t going anywhere. But the company now finds itself in the unique position of having two different types of OLED TVs. It’ll be very interesting to see the head-to-head comparisons between QD-OLED and the best “normal” OLED sets from LG and Sony once they all start shipping to consumers this spring.
The A95K QD-OLED TV has built-in cable management. Image: Sony
Aside from its one-of-a-kind panel, the A95K comes with a unique stand that can either put the TV in a “front position” style, where the display is in front of the stand, or a “back position” if you want to position the pricey TV right up against a wall. The back of the TV also has a funky look to it that I can appreciate with built-in cable management. Even the step-down A90K OLED’s stand has a trick where it can raise the display enough for a soundbar to rest on it without obstructing the view.
The A90K’s stand in the optional soundbar position. Image: Sony
All of Sony’s latest OLEDs will support 4K gaming at 120Hz, auto HDR tone mapping when connected to a PS5, and auto low latency mode. And these TVs will finally ship with the option for variable refresh rate out of the box instead of making buyers wait for a software update like past models. Hopefully that’s a sign that VRR is coming closer to arriving on the PlayStation 5 itself.
Google TV remains Sony’s software of choice for 2022, and the lineup continues to feature the company’s word salad of branded features like XR OLED Contrast Pro, XR Triluminos Max (for the A95K) or Pro (for the rest), and Acoustic Surface Audio Plus. Sony really does get some fantastic audio performance from its premium TVs, and its in-house processing also slightly bests LG’s OLED lineup in picture quality, so the names are probably here to stay.
Sony also announced its first line of Micro LED TVs, which I’ve covered separately. Pricing and specific release dates for all the TVs will be announced in the coming months.
Anyway that A95X looks like a champ QD-OLED.
HeisenbergFX4
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My bad didnt really look for the active thread
iHaunter
Member
My QLED has so much ghosting. But Bravia hasn't solved this yet either.
HeisenbergFX4
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HeisenbergFX4
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Mister Wolf
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Dave_at_Home
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Before Samsung goes ahead and charges an arm and a leg, maybe they should make sure their OEM suppliers give them panels free of banding and dirty screen effect.
Dave_at_Home
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Saw the same thing when I briefly own a QN90A. What I think lots of gamers don't realize is picture processing gets nerfed in game mode, but even more so at 120hz.
For a cool 100k rn
