Google maps says thats a 10 mile difference. So they could be using a vacant building 10 miles away but instead are spending 50 million to build a new school.. hmm the emotions driving these decisions are great. Step back people and think how little sense this makes. Demo the school, make a memorial use Chalk Hill Middle School.
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Google maps says thats a 10 mile difference. So they could be using a vacant building 10 miles away but instead are spending 50 million to build a new school.. hmm the emotions driving these decisions are great. Step back people and think how little sense this makes. Demo the school, make a memorial use Chalk Hill Middle School.
sure lets just set up our school in this random vacant building. hopefully its the right size and shape for a school
BruiserBear
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Yup. 50 million dollars is a ridiculous way to address this situation.
This is American politics today. Do you want your opponent in the next election suggesting you didn't want to fix this horrible problem by funding 50 million dollars for a new school? Just vote yes and move on with your life. Meanwhile 50 million in taxpayer dollars goes out the door.
If anything is the right size and shape for a school...it's a school...the building's name is Chalk Hill Middle School
Its a former school, what do you mean right size and shape for a school :me
Damn those tax payer dollars going to horrible causes like... modern schools.
DeaconKnowledge
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Nope. I would never take my kid there after what happened.
Anticitizen One
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I don't get it whats the point of demolishing it and rebuilding? Do they think if they do that it won't be haunted or something?
Delicious Waffles
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What's bolded and what you cut out of my reply makes sense.
The school I work at, one of the buildings burnt down. Had a brick in the office with my name on it I wanted, but couldn't get because it went from "oh we wont pull down the rest of the building yet" to "surprise its down".
But that is a different type of tragedy and more of a sentimental thing, so it doesn't really compare. I don't think its appropriate in this instance though.
Anticitizen One
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Might as well bulldoze Manhattan and rebuild it since 9/11 happened. Ditto for Columbine and that Aurora theater.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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You know Columbine was pretty much gutted and renovated right? And they built a whole new library next to the school...
There are big hole-in-the-ground fountain memorials where the towers were.
I agree. I'm stunned and disgusted by some of the responses here.
What teacher would teach in a classroom where kids were murdered? What kid would want to be taught in it? No one would ever want to go back inside that school.
I can't say I think the idea of building another school right in the same place makes sense to me, may as well move the location and put a memorial where the school was, but it seems blatantly obvious to me WHY you would not want that school to be used.
I can't say I think the idea of building another school right in the same place makes sense to me, may as well move the location and put a memorial where the school was, but it seems blatantly obvious to me WHY you would not want that school to be used.
If they're going to rebuild the school in the exact same spot, can't they just renovate the interior of the school, change the classes layout, etc. It'd be a lot less expansive than demolishing the place and rebuilding it.
The people who are footing the bill.
You know more work can go into renovating a building completely than bulldozing and starting a new?
dream
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Yeah, that part baffles me. It's like they want the new building to be haunted.
Usually you build a community around a school. Moving neighborhood hubs is really expensive. You have to replan a lot, like busing, road traffic, and municipal services that schools use like libraries and swimming pools.
Ten miles is a long ways. There's a school every mile or two where I am, and I'm living in one of the most sprawling suburban areas around. When you're talking about something that 600 students (plus many teachers and parents) commute to and from on a daily basis, the location is pretty important.
dream
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I get that, but the tragedy is part of the land's history. I'm not entirely convinced that demolishing the school isn't the right thing to do, but rebuilding on the same land just seems like an invitation to be haunted, both by memories and actual spirits.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
This is what I don't understand. There's this and the whole "no photos" thing going around. I realize there's probably still "gore" and other scenes from the violence, but this is a bit sketchy.
There's also security being hired to keep people from going in and looking at the site.
Depends how much you change...
Plenty of places in america where thats not the case. Way more efficient using the school and hell even upgrading it at a fraction of the 50 million price.
RomanticHeroX
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I'm a survivor of the Virginia Tech shootings, and was often severely, physically uncomfortable walking past Norris Hall afterwards. I actually tried to go back in a couple of times for cathartic reasons, but never could. You can't imagine how someone will feel after an event like that. It's beyond conception, and every person is going to react in a unique way.
vas_a_morir
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What do you mean by 'survivor?'
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
it sounds weird to do, but i think i can appreciate the situation for a small town that might not feel safe sending their children to that school, as well as it being a constant reminder of what happened.
but what are they going to put there instead? a prison that is named a school? its sort of concerning from that aspect. how safe is too safe?
but what are they going to put there instead? a prison that is named a school? its sort of concerning from that aspect. how safe is too safe?
RomanticHeroX
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I was in one of the classes he attacked, though I was fortunate enough to not be there that particular morning.
Hours Left
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Obviously this is being done to prevent further psychological trauma, but I think building a new school in the same location won't do much to alleviate that.
None of those children are probably going to step foot in the new school either; it's going to take years for the thing to be demolished and then for a new one to be ready.
Why not just ship all the kids that were attending during the tragedy to other schools and only have brand new kids come back? Seems like a better option.
Brolic Gaoler
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No offense, but I don't think that makes you a "survivor" of the attack. You were completely absent from the attack.
As for what you're describing, that's pretty typical of that type of event.
Agree. Seems really unnecessary to raze the school to... build another school on top of it and then claim "memorial" reasoning or something to me.
Also screams "TOO SOON" to me, but eh...
BakedSardine
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It seems odd that we haven't even seen a picture of the OUTSIDE of the school where the shooter shot off the lock on the door. Really, no idea what is going on - could be nothing.
NotMyUsername
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As someone that has been at a school shooting (Thurston High School in Springfield, OR) this seems pretty crazy to me. I went back to school as soon as the school reopened (If I recall the shooting was on a Thursday and the school back up on the next Monday? Hard to remember for sure). When I went back I took my normal path back to my first period class which still had signs of the blood from where the two boys were shot and killed. The cafeteria of course was completely cleaned up but the stains on the concrete outside remained for awhile. I can't recall if they eventually painted the ground outside or simply laid out more concrete to replace the old.
So yeah, demolishing the school seems a bit much. Of course not as many died at Thurston but I still don't think it's the most logical course of action. Thurston eventually had a memorial placed on the edge of the school grounds but the most they did was repaint as I recall.
So yeah, demolishing the school seems a bit much. Of course not as many died at Thurston but I still don't think it's the most logical course of action. Thurston eventually had a memorial placed on the edge of the school grounds but the most they did was repaint as I recall.
adamsappel
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I'm a bit surprised that an elementary school costs $50 million to demolish and rebuild.
Big difference, though. That was a high school, full of high school kids and better equipped to deal with a tragedy than elementary schoolers. Don't blame the county/city for tearing that school down one bit.
Considering what happened I think most people are content to keep the memories and not painful physical reminders of what a mad men did to a lot a kids and some teachers.
vas_a_morir
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WHOA. That had to chill you to the bone.
NotMyUsername
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I considered that. Without any sort of information to back it up I'd almost imagine the psychological damages would be rougher on someone in high school vs. elementary due to comprehension and a fuller understanding of what happened. But I suppose that can go both ways in that perhaps the older group would be more mature and more capable to "get over it" while younger kids may have more difficulty with that.
Again, I'm talking largely out of my ass. I know I was an outlier in going right back to school as the remaining few weeks of the school year had something like only 1/4 of the students actually return. Emotionally I was able to handle it much better than the majority it seemed and I'm sure there's a good chance some of them wished to never return to the school (I believe some people did transfer, including members of the staff).
Terrible situation all around but I'm still staying on the side of belief that it's excessive to tear the elementary down especially since they're rebuilding on the spot.
Edit: Just saw RomanticHeroX's posts about being a Virginia Tech student at the time of that shooting. Proof that it can affect people differently. I was actually at Thurston during the shooting, heard all the shots, locked in my classroom alone as the teacher was called out to assist with the wounded, and was there in the dark looking out the one window in the door as a girl shot in the leg stumbled to her car and waited for paramedics. And yet I went right back to school and continued using the hallway where the students died where I would have been shot had I not entered class a minute or two prior to the shooting. It simply didn't bother me in the end.
I think this could all be handled in a better way, and money could be saved.
So you didn't survive anything, you just didn't attend to classes.
So you didn't survive anything, you just didn't attend to classes.
IrishNinja
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this is kinda how Corpse Party started
IdreamofHIME
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Demolition of the school = good
Building a new school in the same place = stupid
It should be turned into a park or something.
Building a new school in the same place = stupid
It should be turned into a park or something.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Yeah pretty much. I think he should be describing himself as "potential victim". A survivor would have had to be there or shot and... Survived.
Benjamin_MFF
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These were my exact thoughts, thank you.
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