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Sarah Nyberg on gamergate's continuing campaign of harassment
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Eh, this isn't a working comparison. "This scorecard shows the ratings for statements made on air by Fox, Fox News and Fox Business personalities and their pundit guests." There is no on air with Breitbart. Their online articles are trough and trough utter hateful shit, Fox News has some solid reporting there.
Yoshi
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I'm not known as the biggest Gamergate hater around here, but the mere fact that the person we are talking about is pedophilic is not a crime in itself. Having feelings of any kind cannot be a crime, acting on it can be. So if the people involved here were harrassing Nyberg for sexually assaulting the cousin and this was true, then I would say what Nyberg did was worse than what the people doing the harrassment did. This wouldn't make it right because this is what we have a legal system for. Go to the police and let them do their job instead of pillorying the accused person online. However, in this case, I could accept what you said that Nyberg did worse. Nyberg is not even accused of having assaulted someone (from my understanding) let alone convicted, so we are only talking about one crime here, libelling.
partyphone
Banned
sarah is guilty of being a channer.
which is a strange accusation to come from a bunch of channers.
it's obvious they only care about scoring points against perceived enemies. because they're channers.
which is a strange accusation to come from a bunch of channers.
it's obvious they only care about scoring points against perceived enemies. because they're channers.
When Fox News changes their network branding to the Fox Variety Network I'll be happy to let them have whatever opinions they want to have. Until then they're at best a hateful opinion network, at worst, actively slanderous. Them having "solid reporting" some of the time doesn't make up for the far larger amount of time they are actively misinforming people.
BigTastyBurger666
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Nyberg has already confirmed the chatlogs are real and from servers under her operation, not only in the Medium article, but by filing a DCMA against Breitbart, so any 'libel action' would be difficult to prove outside of 'hearsay', and thus would also be probably prohibitively expensive to mount the case.
Not to mention if even the allegations over the tax evasion are true, would see any 'action' thrown straight out court without touching the ground - and then there's the question of ffshrine hosting illegally sourced music.
There are still questions here to be cleared up - the Medium article only touches on one part of this puzzle.
crimsonheadGCN
Banned
Sarah has said that she didn't file a DMCA against Breitbart.
https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/643593764548812801
https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/643594003523457025
https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/643594138148032517
https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/643593764548812801
https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/643594003523457025
https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/643594138148032517
channers who clearly had it out for her before they found the irc logs anyway, and many of the same people who defend 8chan's CP boards
none of these assholes care about kids, and their claims should be read with that fact in mind
The fact that people in here keep on bringing up 10 year old IRC chat logs instead of the harassment itself is incredibly disgusting. It's just a continuation of the harassment.
Hey Here's an idea. Why don't you guys harping on and on about the logs create a topic "Internet person said horrible things 10 years ago. IRC LOGS REVEALED" and leave this thread to the actually important issue of Nyberg being harassed.
Hey Here's an idea. Why don't you guys harping on and on about the logs create a topic "Internet person said horrible things 10 years ago. IRC LOGS REVEALED" and leave this thread to the actually important issue of Nyberg being harassed.
Maninthemirror
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There comes a point where one has to stop defending a person if they have done something as vile as that even if you agree with their stance on another issue.'
Scientist Supreme!
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Yep.
I think you intended to post this on Voat, its a common mistake.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
The thread is about the article she wrote. The article is about the harassment but it's also about the chat logs.
Admittedly, I don't follow gamergate and I don't know anything about this woman but I'd qualify those IRC logs as beyond typical edge lord shit.
partyphone
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how is it beyond? Chris Hanson/pedobear bullshit was the height of chan culture at the time.
Seriously? We should stop pointing out how insane and repulsive internet harassment is because Nyberg said vile things many years ago?
Edit: And yeah. Nyberg's logs are nothing out of place from a culture that glorified and made a meme out of PEDOBEAR for God's sake.
partyphone
Banned
I don't think anyone is defending the actual chat logs. at least I'm not. but they're not relevant to what's happening right now. gamergate wants you to write Sarah off. it's one of their strongest harassment tools, target and isolate the victim so they give up. it's painfully transparent.
Moon_frogger
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So gamergate, who's home base is a bastion of child porn welcoming pedophiles with open arms is pointing fingers at someone who, as a child, said a bunch of edge lord things to shock people. Sounds about right.
Heavy's Sandvich
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I think people are having issues understanding simple concepts.
Harassing people, their families, their employers and anyone else is simply unacceptable. No exceptions.
Sarah Nyberg character is not of any relevance, it doesn't give carte blanche for people to harass her and those that know her.
This doesn't also mean that I am defending her entirely and that I will fight for her every cause.
Regarding chatlog stuff, she can't easily dismiss it as she has done.
Harassing people, their families, their employers and anyone else is simply unacceptable. No exceptions.
Sarah Nyberg character is not of any relevance, it doesn't give carte blanche for people to harass her and those that know her.
This doesn't also mean that I am defending her entirely and that I will fight for her every cause.
Regarding chatlog stuff, she can't easily dismiss it as she has done.
Your first statements basically say that she shouldn't be in a position to have to dismiss anything in the first place.
You can't say harassment is a bad thing and then go to judge a person based on the harassment she received. If we don't think this campaign of hate should have occured, we shouldn't be talking about what the campaign of hate wants us to talk about.
It generates a kind of "I'm not a racist, but..." kind of situation.
Heavy's Sandvich
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I'm sorry, I literally didn't understand a word you wrote there.
Harassment is unacceptable. Simple as that.
Edit: legitimate questions can be asked about her chatlogs/her activity in the past. Asking questions is no where near the same ballpark as harassment.
Harassment is unacceptable. Simple as that.
Edit: legitimate questions can be asked about her chatlogs/her activity in the past. Asking questions is no where near the same ballpark as harassment.
Wait, wut? This makes no sense at all.
WAR recon zero
Banned
I googled this person.
How do sites with hate speech like encyclopedia dramatica exist? It has criminal records and photos of family members ffs.
Fuck the internet.
How do sites with hate speech like encyclopedia dramatica exist? It has criminal records and photos of family members ffs.
Fuck the internet.
"asking questions" is not an innocent action on a vacuum of context. Treating it as such is precisely the entire M.O. of Gamergate.
You're treating it as you would ask someone, out of the blue and with no particular reason, if they said horrible shit 10 years ago. Like, just because, you know, it is a natural curiosity of yours about every person you meet how their channer persona was.
The only reason we are talking about her past is because a hate group targeted her and maliciously spread information about said past with the intention of destroying this person's character.
"asking questions" is how the terrorists win.
Heavy's Sandvich
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Baffling to say the least.
Something has come to light, she needs to be asked about it, especially if she has involvement with children.
You are completely within reason to inquire about that sort of thing.
I'll leave you to it mate, can't really understand your train of thought.
Something has come to light, she needs to be asked about it, especially if she has involvement with children.
You are completely within reason to inquire about that sort of thing.
I'll leave you to it mate, can't really understand your train of thought.
Randomizer123454444
Member
Did she commit a crime? Yes? Report to police.
End of story.
End of story.
the problem is is that these JAQing guys conflate just that with harassment.
Corronchilejano
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I've seen a few screenshots but haven't actually seen them fully and they could well be taken out of context, anyone have a link?
Let's totally gloss over the fact that the police already looked at them and decided nothing was going on.
The issue of the dredged up IRC logs from Nybergs past is fairly irrelevant on the topic of Gamergates continued harassment of her and others in and around the gaming community.
Gamergate continues to be a complete mistake from top to bottom and the more we try to trivialize their actions by excusing them based on tabloid esque exposes of a single detractor the more they will be emboldened, empowered, and encouraged to continue their frankly dangerous and destructive actions.
Gamergate continues to be a complete mistake from top to bottom and the more we try to trivialize their actions by excusing them based on tabloid esque exposes of a single detractor the more they will be emboldened, empowered, and encouraged to continue their frankly dangerous and destructive actions.
Heavy's Sandvich
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I don't know what that is.
edit: police had already looked into it. If theres been new evidence/fresh claims/"confessions" then its legitimate to pose it. If we're going over the same old ground already looked into, just pointless character assassination.
Just-Asking-Questions
QuantumZebra
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ugh... fuck
Palette Swap
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Spot on.
The logs seem highly problematic, but good news, that's a law enforcement job, it's not up to hateful channers. Never mind that they're themselves the exact kind of people who would confuse this kind of repulsive shit for wit or humor.
Who's neogaf? That dude with the hat and the gif? Because I'm sure as hell not downplaying pedophilia.
QuantumZebra
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the fuck?
Muskieratboi
Member
No shit, that was the GG crowd's point.
Nothing has "come to light" like the natural cycle of days. Someone dug through this person's life with the explicit purpose of using the worst part of her life to destroy her character.
She isn't required to do anything. We have no (moral) right to demand answers about anything that has "come to light" during a hate campaign.
To say it is within reason to ask her questions about it it is to say it is within reason to ask anyone about what they said at any point of their life at the risk of causing enormous harm to a person's life today. This to me is insane, so I would disagree it is within reason.
The only reason it appears to not be insane is precisely because the person is the target of people who wants everyone to focus on this and judge this person based on this.
Asking these questions is a direct consequence of the harassment campaign you are against. It is an inexorable part of it, even.
She isn't required to do anything. We have no (moral) right to demand answers about anything that has "come to light" during a hate campaign.
To say it is within reason to ask her questions about it it is to say it is within reason to ask anyone about what they said at any point of their life at the risk of causing enormous harm to a person's life today. This to me is insane, so I would disagree it is within reason.
The only reason it appears to not be insane is precisely because the person is the target of people who wants everyone to focus on this and judge this person based on this.
Asking these questions is a direct consequence of the harassment campaign you are against. It is an inexorable part of it, even.
Just read said logs and... nope, I'm out. Saying these things about 7 year old kids and brushing it all now as just a joke doesn't sit well with me at all I have to say.
I'm pretty sure that's not true.
. . .or this.
Obviously not what the individual meant and I'm not sure why people are pretending to be confused about this.
Do you know what a pundit is? Everytime these "Fox News makes up news" stories pop up the first thing the link to is Hannity or O'Reilly. Also you might want to click through the rest of those station reviews.
Absolute nonsense and you folks know it. People are arguing the source of these accusations and not the actual accusation itself (which doesn't seem like an accusation by her own admission).
The form and the context of the questions can most definitely be harassment. For example if an organized group of people started endless badgering you with "When did you stop beating your wife Heavy's Sandvich?" then they can't really pretend "Oh we're just asking questions!".
And 10 year old irc chat logs remain incredibly irrelevant and unimportant.
jailbird20022
Banned
Jesus christ those logs.
2015 is literally the year of "din do nuthin"
2015 is literally the year of "din do nuthin"
partyphone
Banned
because someone was a shitty edgelord a long time ago means they're fair game for harassment for the rest of their lives?
I'm pretty fucking greatful that the internet barely existed when I was a teen since no one can dig up the awful shit I said.
thanks, fellow gaffers, for proving why this particular gamergate tactic is so effective. ugh.
If I didn't think I was morally superior to a hate group, I would have a very low opinion of myself.
I think one of the other contributing factors is that her site also constantly goes down and she begs for 2,500 dollars in user donations to get the site running again because she can't pay the hosting bill, keeping the forums hostage.
On top of that, the fact that she said in one of those chatlogs that she "doesn't pay quarterlies - IRS don't hurt me" while gathering paypal donations raises a few eyebrows.
I do not condone harassing her in any way, but I can see how a buildup of various things has lead to her getting dragged into the GG spotlight.
The donations thing is not a 'ten years ago' event, either - the 2500 dollar donation thing happened several times in the last year or two.
nice racist meme
If someone made a topic about someone on the internet saying horrible things 10 years ago then it would barely get any replies but somehow it makes perfect sense to shit up a topic about a person getting harassed on the internet with that bit of non news.
Seriously it's so transparent.
"Oh it's so bad that she's getting harassed but did you know <throw a whole hell of a lot of shit against the wall and see if I can smear her character by getting any of it to stick> but I really don't condone harassment so saad
. Both sides are the same."
Seriously it's so transparent.
"Oh it's so bad that she's getting harassed but did you know <throw a whole hell of a lot of shit against the wall and see if I can smear her character by getting any of it to stick> but I really don't condone harassment so saad
. Both sides are the same."
ldcommando
Banned
I'm unfamiliar with that one, what does it mean?
jailbird20022
Banned
1. I'm black, nice try
2. It's fucking true, I have friends that have cops for step dads and I've yet to be accosted or shot. I live in Texas for christs sake. A lot of shit is uncalled for but a lot of it can be avoided by not being so aggressive or hostile.
Victim mentality in 2015 is nuts
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