Yeah, I agree than concert ticket scalping is the most agravating.
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Yeah, I agree than concert ticket scalping is the most agravating.
cormack12
Gold Member
Link is tenuous. At best.
It was an easy example to use. I have plenty more. Tell me which are acceptable. You are aware there are large football community bodies right like FSF etc.? Apparently not. You are aware of campaigns like HJC? You are aware of such individuals as Liam Harker and Rhys Jones? - but hey, football community is not real right? On a wider perspective you are aware of DAD and Lourdes helpers and may many other things too numerous to mention.
Yes. You do have a choice to make. Why is that question marked? Choice is choosing to do something. The point is sometimes you can give to things despite their not being a thread on it.....
I don't expect you to justify yourself to me. But if you flip your console and then come onto a site like this boasting and advocating scalping then I'll call you out on it. You're the one calling yourself scum mate, not me. I just think it's a crappy thing to do and arsehole is probably the closest phrase to arl arse without getting lost in translation.
Anyway, there's nothing new here.
Also outside this argument I thought it was pretty funny how you accuse someone of preaching, then use Jesus at the end of your post
No offence meant, just gave me a bit of light hearted relief in the moment.glimmerman
Member
1) The demand is partially created by scalpers who buy multiple systems with the sole intention of reselling them at an exorbitant markup
2) Scalpers add no value whatsoever to the supply chain. So in fact scalpers are exploiting the underpaid, overworked guy in the chain who SHOULD get paid more for adding a shitload of value... but instead the vast majority of the markup is going to the tosser who booked it through amazon using his right index finger and moving his mouse a bit.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
You forgot to address the point where the electronic you bought was probably made by underpaid slaves in horrible working conditions. Where are your morals now?!
Relevant! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8vQdqKHBaU
glimmerman
Member
I can't easily change what people in the legitimate supply chain are paid.
But I can damn well make sure that their efforts are not undervalued even more by buying a scalped console for a massive undeserved markup.
SlaughterX
Banned
If it makes anyone feel better, I sold my PS4 to a guy I know who's going to Brazil for Christmas. Think he got it for a friend and I'm sure hes selling it for less than what they cost there or for how much it would have cost to ship it there from the US.
ComputerMKII
Banned
The only reason there are scalpers is that Sony priced its console too low. Scalpers are merely re-directing wealth to an optimal condition. Whenever prices are artificially distorted, the market finds a way around.
Comfort Jones
Banned
Partially is a pretty vague term. I pretty strongly believe if you wanted the console that bad, you had time to pre order. I definitely could have, I chose not to.
And of course, you're saying nothing here, people want the console, scalpers buy them hoping people want it THAT much. Clearly they do. The demand is not "created" by this shitty behavior. It exists or it doesn't. If people weren't willing to over pay, it wouldn't happen. They paid for their extra copies and they are taking the risk here, I don't see how they aren't within the right to sell what they bought. I think it can be kinda shitty but there's a pretty obvious counter to it. But to be fully honest, I don't even think it's that bad in this situation seeing how the worst thing that could happen if you don't buy scalped is you wait til Christmas is over for more units. There will be more copies and it's not in some way time limited like a musical performance, where there might be repeat shows but it's a legit inconvenience, maybe you can't even attend at all etc.
Also you really missed my point with your second paragraph. The point was that in the context of literally almost anything else affecting people, scalping consoles is such a weird reason to just call someone completely scum, when in their daily life people pretending to live such a moral life are probably fucking other people over on a daily basis because there's a demand for the cheap products created by those people.
I made no argument about them adding value, your words, not mine.
Pharaoh 117
Member
Scalpers are not the problem. Idiots that buys from them are.
You can absolutely be a scalper and have integrity. Integrity is about consistency, not morals.
Thomas_Daly
Banned
Lol yeah... No.
Demand creates it s own supply... Scalpers. That said it s pretty marginal.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Let your anger flow through you.
glimmerman
Member
Scalpers take consoles out of a market limited by supply. That certainly does contribute partially to the demand.
No one says its not their right to scalp. Its just a shitty thing to do, given that its not "fair" on the basis of profit shared, to people who supply the console, and those who want to buy it at a price set by the official supply chain.
Sony have chosen to grow the market quickly, retain a consistent price, and sell at the price they have chosen. In the process this makes gamers reasonably happy (or there wouldnt be such an overwhelming demand for it).
Also, I'll continue to stand by my statement: scalpers add no value. They help no-one except themselves. They're not even "taking a risk" as they can return their consoles if it remains unsold.
drkOne
Member
I think scalpers are scummy. You shouldn't be ashamed you're doing it for the dollars, everyone has their price. Don't try to justify it though, it only makes you look bad.
Concerning the supply problems, where I live I imagine it'll be easy to simply pick a PS4 up before christmas from a store.
The real money was to be made of the guys who wanted it on release, and are afraid they won't get one this year. Still stock seems to be plenty for mid-December.
If pre-order numbers are anything to go by, I imagine you shouldn't worry too much.
Concerning the supply problems, where I live I imagine it'll be easy to simply pick a PS4 up before christmas from a store.
The real money was to be made of the guys who wanted it on release, and are afraid they won't get one this year. Still stock seems to be plenty for mid-December.
If pre-order numbers are anything to go by, I imagine you shouldn't worry too much.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I tell the buyer how much it honestly costs and then I morally accept that amount of their money instead of punching them in the face and taking their wallet.
Problem?
I bought one but haven't opened it and might sell it (haters gonna hate)
Sorry but I have more important things to do than have a PS4 before it even has a decent library, like pay for school and bills.
If someone is willing to pay me a stack to get their hands on this first world luxury virtual games machine while its sold out and cant keep their wiener in their pants and wait until its in supply then that's their problem, not mine. I feel a little bad because there might be some people out there who really want one but cant get their hands on it, but its not my job to enable them being spoiled enough to NEED to have a PS4 RIGHT NOW.
Turning a profit on stuff like this, better yet, off of people who have enough money to blow on a xmas present for their kid at top dollar like this, should be considered a win for the lower class, such as myself. I work 6 days a week for $10 an hour, fuck off.
Sorry but I have more important things to do than have a PS4 before it even has a decent library, like pay for school and bills.
If someone is willing to pay me a stack to get their hands on this first world luxury virtual games machine while its sold out and cant keep their wiener in their pants and wait until its in supply then that's their problem, not mine. I feel a little bad because there might be some people out there who really want one but cant get their hands on it, but its not my job to enable them being spoiled enough to NEED to have a PS4 RIGHT NOW.
Turning a profit on stuff like this, better yet, off of people who have enough money to blow on a xmas present for their kid at top dollar like this, should be considered a win for the lower class, such as myself. I work 6 days a week for $10 an hour, fuck off.
Moral principles would dictate not making a profit out of something they don't deserve to. Perhaps the argument then becomes "But what about all the other capitalists doing this sort of thing on a bigger scale! We gotta take what we can get!".
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I would love to live in your utopia..if it existed. Like I said in a previous post, I don't even need the money. But obviously other people do. Other people need money. Here's one method of making it easily. The poster above just brought up something completely off topic but still somewhat relevant - easy money. If you clicked your mouse a few times in October, you could have made significant money from clicking your mouse again this month. All by trading imaginary currency. That's just how the world works. We the privileged people make money off of virtual currency..while people starve around the world. Oh well! Don't hate on people tryin to get their's.
It's not even about morals anymore, it's just financially idiotic.
great, so you've bought your PS4, listed it on ebay, made your $100 after fees and shipping, and the buyer can easily and scot-free do a chargeback for the $650 they paid. which you'll have to worry about for 3 months or whatever the window is.
how lucrative!
Um, I think you would need to list some objective reasons why reselling consoles during high demand (that pesky scalp word makes things too easy) is considered in the moral wrong before you can say that.
What is wrong with selling something to someone who is willing to pay that much? I think youre mixing your own personal feelings into it a bit much.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Entertaining thread, the rage is funny and cringe inducing at the same time.
I couldn't care less about what people do with their console.
People equating this to profiteering of off medical supplies lol. It's a toy ffs.
I couldn't care less about what people do with their console.
People equating this to profiteering of off medical supplies lol. It's a toy ffs.
I'm not hating, I think? Perhaps I am. I'm just expressing my idealistic, happy-go-lucky, Disney view yes I admit that. I think that's what it comes down to. Some people have big Disney-like ideals of happy, happy, happy gotta spread the love and kindness in the world. Other people are realistic and all about the "Wake up! This is how the world works!", it's a dog eat dog world out there etc.
I agree, I think I am. My ideal world is where everyone pays the RRP or less. Perhaps that is delusionally warm and fuzzy.
Hey, somebody gets it!
orphenshadow
Neo Member
If people wanted to pay retail price and not an inflated price they should have pre-ordered.
I have no issues with someone choosing to sale something they budgeted and purchased months in advance.
If I was offered the right price my PS4 would be in a box and off to the highest bidder. I won't blame anyone else for doing the same thing. I was able to take advantage to a 25 for 20 deal on amazon gift cards and pre-purchase my PS4 for 320 USD almost 3 months ago. If someone was to offer me 6 or 7 hundred bucks cash tomorrow. I probably wouldnt hesitate.
It's not like there wasn't ample time to pre-order.
I have no issues with someone choosing to sale something they budgeted and purchased months in advance.
If I was offered the right price my PS4 would be in a box and off to the highest bidder. I won't blame anyone else for doing the same thing. I was able to take advantage to a 25 for 20 deal on amazon gift cards and pre-purchase my PS4 for 320 USD almost 3 months ago. If someone was to offer me 6 or 7 hundred bucks cash tomorrow. I probably wouldnt hesitate.
It's not like there wasn't ample time to pre-order.
kingofthedead45
Member
I hateeeeeeeeeeeee posting in these kinds of threads but I had to point out this BS. Nobody is ripping anybody off. It takes two to tango. A ps4 isn't a necessity in life. A buyer can easily have patience and wait for it to go back in stock, they don't NEED it, they can CHOOSE to not get "ripped" off.
And the scalper can choose to make that money in a more wholesome and fulfilling way!
kingofthedead45
Member
But It's all about choice mang.Haha, I'm not sure if weed has a recommended retail price. Perhaps.
That certainly made me laugh, though. No sarcasm.
Weltall Zero
Member
So true; I'm loving this thread for this reason. Giving the ignore function a little use for the first time.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Sticking your fingers in your ears and singing lala is definitely one way to live in this world.
Weltall Zero
Member
Ignoring those who clearly have not in mind the best interests of anyone but themselves is another. A very different one at that, and I'd dare say an intelligent one. But yeah, keep repeating the "you're just naive" mantra, you definitely have me entirely figured out.
I cannot wait to hear an elaboration of that argument. Care to provide it?
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Lol yeah man. And because I resell a ps4 you have me figured out. Such an atrocity truly worth you ignoring someone like me forever. Way to weed out the evil from your life. /clap
entremet
Member
People complain about scalpers for one holiday and then it's business as usual. Which is why I don't get the hate they get. It's a very small sliver of early adopters who want to pay premium prices.
Once the demand settles and there's some saturation it will get better, but scalpers are only making money of people's impatience or need to own the hot holiday item.
Eh, it's not that cut and dry.
Sony could price it higher, but part of the reason they priced it as such is to have a competitive advantage against their rivals. It's a long game. Moreover, let's say they priced it at 600 bucks like the PS3, and then as soon as supply is stable they drop to 400, you know how much brand damage they would do? Again, it's a long game and there are many factors evolved, not just pure academic economics. You gotta think about it holistically.
Once the demand settles and there's some saturation it will get better, but scalpers are only making money of people's impatience or need to own the hot holiday item.
Eh, it's not that cut and dry.
Sony could price it higher, but part of the reason they priced it as such is to have a competitive advantage against their rivals. It's a long game. Moreover, let's say they priced it at 600 bucks like the PS3, and then as soon as supply is stable they drop to 400, you know how much brand damage they would do? Again, it's a long game and there are many factors evolved, not just pure academic economics. You gotta think about it holistically.
CaseyTappy
Member
Scalpers disgust me, there's nothing more to it !
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Why are they arguing with us? They came into this thread, a thread about experiences, not the practice, and started the hissy fit. No one's worried, but notice how we "scalpers" haven't called anyone scumbags, even if they disagree with us. It's our responsibility as the more experienced in life to school the youngins.
glimmerman
Member
I've avoided using the S word so far, but, yup, that right there is scummy.
Given that Argos is the main supplier to the mommy and daddy crowd rather than the gamer crowd, given that most Argos in Ireland won't have stock because their staff are hogging the few that are made available, and then taking even more than 1 each and flipping it for profit is just pure scumbaggery.
Nope.
Without scalpers, there would be more real pre-orders. Simple as. More people who want the console would get it for its RRP.
And to those who argue 'Should have pre-ordered earlier' ... nope. Scalpers artificially accelerate the pre-order close off date by scalping consoles.
It really isn't that hard to understand. The underlying point is that, without scalping, more people who wanted them would get the consoles at their RRP.
We complain when corporations screw us, but we're willing to do that to other people.