Horsemama1956
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You would have to put new hardware in. Increases just the clocks would no improve performance all that much. Not enough to call it enhanced and make it a worth while purchase any way.
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SCE Executive Vice President: Possible enhanced version PS4, no first party for Vita
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This is just wrong on so many levels...really.
Basically Sony looked at the enhanced One controller and said: "We can do better." Or worst, in this case. Just think about this: if the enhanced controller price is 150€ (I'm taking the italian price here) vs 55€ of the standard one (so basically it's three time expensive, lol), how much an "enhanced" console can cost?
Also: probably developers will optimize games for the latest model, what does this means? Will they just lock out the framerate on 30 fps on vanilla PS4 without spending too much time on optimizing both versions?
Nah, this is a bad idea, really. It's like having a mixed product, a wannabe Steam machine but a close system at the same time.
Basically Sony looked at the enhanced One controller and said: "We can do better." Or worst, in this case. Just think about this: if the enhanced controller price is 150€ (I'm taking the italian price here) vs 55€ of the standard one (so basically it's three time expensive, lol), how much an "enhanced" console can cost?
Also: probably developers will optimize games for the latest model, what does this means? Will they just lock out the framerate on 30 fps on vanilla PS4 without spending too much time on optimizing both versions?
Nah, this is a bad idea, really. It's like having a mixed product, a wannabe Steam machine but a close system at the same time.
Because game devs are stupid enough to forgo the 25+ million existing users to make a ps4.1 exclusive.
Juxo
Member
This.
I've had a PS4 for about 18 months. If they pull this shit, I won't be happy. Unless they offer a really good trade in deal. I'm talking a 'trade-in-your-current-PS4-for-a-high-performance-PS4-at-no-extra-charge' type deal. The whole 'fuck early adopters' strategy does not sit well with me.
TheJRPGamer
Neo Member
hmmm, while they're trying to figure out how to gamble with their success this gen by making a "high performance PS4," perhaps they can figure out how to implement PS1~3 BC while they're at it.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I'd buy the shit out of a Super PS4. That would be preferable to me any console gen over just a slimmer model with cheaper parts.
That's exactly it. I would have no problem with a PS4 Ultra. The same games will run on both, you would get better image quality and higher frame rate on the new one.
I would pay up to $600 for a PS4 that could run modern AAA titles at 1080p/60 like Witcher 3, UC4, GTAV, Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3, etc.
Omnii-chan
Member
I'm kind of glad they are focusing just on PS4 even though I love the Vita.
I hope we will see many more exclusives in the consoles future like the amazing PS2 catalogue.
Also wouldn't mind a PS4.5. But I'm a sucker for new hardware.
It'd be interesting to hear what it is...
SSHD X1 style or something more akin to New 3DS, with better processor?
I hope we will see many more exclusives in the consoles future like the amazing PS2 catalogue.
Also wouldn't mind a PS4.5. But I'm a sucker for new hardware.
It'd be interesting to hear what it is...
SSHD X1 style or something more akin to New 3DS, with better processor?
Tripolygon
Banned
No you don't, it would be just another PS4 revision but clocked higher at smaller node. Increased clock will improve performance, the closest chip to PS4 is AMD 7870.
PS4 GPU: 1.84 TFLOPS, Engine Clock 800Mhz, 18 Compute Units (1154 Stream Processors), 72 Texture Units , 8GB GDDR5 with 176.0GB/s memory bandwidth
HD7870: 2.56 TFLOPS, Engine Clock 1000Mhz, 20 Compute Units (1280 Stream Processors) , 80 Texture Units , 2/4GB GDDR5 with 153.6GB/s memory bandwidth
styl3s
Member
I would totally be ok with both Sony and Microsoft releasing new versions of consoles every 2-3 years.
People do this with phones and tablets every year so why not? Partner up with ISPS or TV services to offer like economy plans for people who can't afford them right out like cell phone companies do with their $0 down or $200 down 2 year contracts.
People do this with phones and tablets every year so why not? Partner up with ISPS or TV services to offer like economy plans for people who can't afford them right out like cell phone companies do with their $0 down or $200 down 2 year contracts.
SolidSnakex
Member
He was asked if an upgrade was possible and responded that yeah it's possible because X86 is far more flexible than the Cell was. That's all he said. It's not like they've got some secret upgraded PS4 stored away somewhere.
zackmorris
Member
"They are still making games for PS4..."
To get the optimal settings they would have to make the games to run at specific settings on the new PS4 than make sure it runs fine on the old PS4. Or they would have to get it to run on the PS4 than make sure that it runs properly on the new PS4 I. Which case those enhancements were minimal. It's additional steps anyway you look at it.
PC games give the user the option to toggle with the settings to get the best performance out of their specific hardware, this isn't how consoles have ever worked and I don't see why they would change that now. People play games on consoles because of its simplicity, you put the game in and play. You don't need to tinker with settings to optimize your game.
bananafactory
Banned
How is a high performance PS4 any different than what Nintendo did with the new 3ds? They pulled that off so I don't know why Sony couldn't
It still plays all the same games but has higher quality textures, performance etc
It still plays all the same games but has higher quality textures, performance etc
This. People are taking these comments way too literal
Umh, no thanks. Console are expensive, they are worth because, you know, they usually have a long life cycle. I really do not understand the mentality on buying a new version of the same phone each year, anyway, so I'm not the target of this operation. What's the point on having a console? I mean, just for exclusives at this point, because changing hardware every 2-3 years mean a console is not a console but a PC. And on PC, anyway, if you can pass on having 60 fps with all options on max, you can easily pass several years without changing hardware.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
terrible on wii
I think it would be a great idea. People already complain about how slow this generation is ramping up, with delayed games and what not. Early adaptors will then have the chance to show their loyalty and be part of the console elite or to end up with an inferior current gen console for the rest of the gen.
wwwhhhhaaaattttttt! You knew what I was referencing....but it is not terrible on the Wii!
NumberThree
Member
Jeff Rigby, let me know if you're okay
Tripolygon
Banned
In this hypothetical thread and scenario of an enhanced PS4, they are still making games for standard PS4. Every other thing you said after that is just part of game development and is not extra work or step. You test to make sure things work properly, its not going to mean the difference between shipping a game today or 4 weeks later.
RealityCheque
Banned
Yes it does......in 20 years when we can emulate ps4.
Aces&Eights
Member
Here's this thing again. Mate, some of us don't want to work all day on a computer them come home and download drivers, trouble shoot borderless window mode, wait 30 days for a new release that is already on consoles, etc. I know pc gaming is a thing but it is not for me. I've read some of the pc thread OT (evil within, batman AK, Watchdogs) and it's pages of people saying, "I can't get it to run without hitching. Why is the game crashing every five minutes? Ive done this and that and rebooted 3 times and downloaded new drivers and configured this and that. "
Some of us just can't be bothered and would welcome a beefy ps4 upgrade. Pay, plug in and play.
games did not magically run worse on the OG 3DS when nintendo released the new 3DS.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I of course knew what you were referencing, and missing the n3DS version was no loss because the game is shit
MikeE21286
Member
That'd be interesting if in two of three years they released a high performance version and went the apple model.
Kept the "ps4" at a constant $399 for the high performance version and kept the others out there at lower prices.
Wonder how it would affect software development given the long dev cycles on console. Might not work. But might make work for AAA as everything becomes annualized.
Kept the "ps4" at a constant $399 for the high performance version and kept the others out there at lower prices.
Wonder how it would affect software development given the long dev cycles on console. Might not work. But might make work for AAA as everything becomes annualized.
Pretty sure that somehow something got lost in the transition to the article, either during the interview itself or the Jap-> English translation.
I really can't imagine he was actually talking about a different hardware revision of the PS4 that would show enough of a power differential to be worth doing.
He must either have been talking about the PS4 (eventual) sucessor (he even mentions doing something different than x86, which woud actually seem like a bad idea for the sake of backward compat), or a perf boost of all current PS4s through some software revisions.
I really can't imagine he was actually talking about a different hardware revision of the PS4 that would show enough of a power differential to be worth doing.
He must either have been talking about the PS4 (eventual) sucessor (he even mentions doing something different than x86, which woud actually seem like a bad idea for the sake of backward compat), or a perf boost of all current PS4s through some software revisions.
zackmorris
Member
Except with games being designed for different versions of the console, you would probably be running into those issues on consoles a lot more often. Only it would be up to the devs to patch it
That's the only thing that could make sense to me. Fragmenting their normal PS4 base with multiple SKUs would be a nightmare unless it's integrated into something like VR that you have to buy separately anyway.
I can't think of any examples when a console has developed a higher performance version and it's worked well.
That's what I'm thinking. Though it could work.
double jump
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please god no.
shadowsdarknes
Member
If it just boosted 30 fps games to 60 fps games with some better AA, I'd be all over that.
Aces&Eights
Member
Well, they would need to have their shit together, agreed. It would be suicide to release an upgraded console that had huge issues running games. I suspect that this is all for VR anyway.
I'd have no problem with a PS4-S, Apple style.
I wouldn't buy it, though. Perfectly happy with my base model.
The issue with a PS4-S is that older games wouldn't gain any advantage from it unless they were patched to check for the S model and boost the framerate or what have you. By the time an S model would come out, the PS4 would be halfway through it's lifespan already and you might as well be prepping the PS5.
Makes more sense to make a cheaper 'slim' version as they typically do.
If it's for VR, though, then I understand it.
I wouldn't buy it, though. Perfectly happy with my base model.
The issue with a PS4-S is that older games wouldn't gain any advantage from it unless they were patched to check for the S model and boost the framerate or what have you. By the time an S model would come out, the PS4 would be halfway through it's lifespan already and you might as well be prepping the PS5.
Makes more sense to make a cheaper 'slim' version as they typically do.
If it's for VR, though, then I understand it.