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[bobbytkc]

If Sony truly believes that it is games (or lack there of) that are the main reason for the less than stellar sales, and not the price of the hardware, than is it possible that they won't have a price drop this year?

They would be very wrong about it (price is easily the #1 reason PS3s aren't selling, and not the limited software library, IM), and not cutting prices this year would be absolute suicide.

Cutting prices too much would be suicide as well. Trust me. Sony ain't stupid, they KNOW it is the price. They just can't say it.

 

[GDGF]

therefore if the Wii hypothetically speaking sold 6 million consoles and the PS3 only sold 3million then techincally they would actually be tied in console sales.

Your goggles make me boggle

 

[Souther]

since were talking about the PS3...sure its a ways off but i think we can agree that games like MGS4, FFXIII, DMC4, HS will definitely help move consoles...

By the time these games have come out...specifically MGS4...see no reason for someone to sit on the fence anymore concerning purchasing a PS3..

 

[Chiggs]

MS needs to learn what? you guys need to come down from your higher plane of reality.
360 sold well for MS product. Really, really, really well.

And last I checked, it has somewhere in the neighborhood of ten million units sold, which, like you mentioned, is a fairly decent install base.

Are Sony fans trying to lump the Xbox 360 into their sales misery? Because outside of Japan--and a few areas in Europe, that's fairly delusional.

 

[Maxwell House]

Sure the right software could sell a good amount more PS3s even at $600, but I don't see any PS3 title this year with that sort of selling power. If GTA IV were PS3 exclusive, than yes, it would sell PS3s even at that price point.

I don't believe Lair, R&C, Uncharted, etc. have anywhere close to that sort of power though.

 

[Vieo]

Even if MGS4, GTAIV, and FFXIII launched with PS3, it wouldn't be any better off. The hardcore fans would have purchased PS3 in flurry for those games and hardware sales would have slowed to a crawl in the coming months as the regular, semi-casual, and casual gamers, would have refrained from buying the console either because they aren't hardcore enough to shell out $600 for a PS3, or they just can't afford it.

 

[TTP]

Because there are, relatively speaking, very few people who are willing to pay $600 for a console, regardless of how good the software is. Do you just not get it?

Sure it could have not sell as much as a 399 system, but it would have sell much better than it does now come on. It's not like people are crying "OMG I want to play those games so badly but I'm poor". It's more like "Why even bothering putting money aside if there is nothing to play on that shit?".

 

[Danthrax]

Is Sony kidding? What a spin. The Wii has only about a dozen more games than the PS3 and it's outselling it 4:1. Obviously, a lack of games has nothing to do with lagging sales. It probably has something to do with it -- Resistance and VF5 aren't exactly mainstream, even if they're AAA quality -- but higher price and less attractive features compared to the Wii60 are what's killing this system.

 

[meltpotato]

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I hope they're just not admitting it for PR purposes and dont really believe that

Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, LittleBigPlanet

are going to resurrect the PS3 at $600

Did you even read what they said? It's the same thing you did. The games you listed, as they and you realize, were not available in April.

 

[speculawyer]

Halo 3 will move hundreds of thousands at the very least.

GTA4 + Halo 3 will move millions by themselves, even with no price drop.

Not that quickly. MSFT will be lucky if the Sept (Halo release month) & October (GTA 4 release month) x360 NPD sales figures combined are more than a million. Actually, that sounds around the right number.

 

[Crypto]

no, so called hardcore gamers dwelling on messageboards engage in a lot of groupthink are basically nuts.

but whatever, keep looking for the next-gen savior while wii laps the field.



what moves millions of units this year will be the same thing that moved millions last year.

Christmas.

You are completely delusional, you know that right? Did you ever see Halo 2 sales numbers? Do you have any idea how many people bought PS2 just for GTAIII?

Christmas is when things sell, not why...

 

[bud]

Sure it could have not sell as much as a 399 system, but it would have sell much better than it does now come on. It's not like people are crying "OMG I want to play those games so badly but I'm poor". It's more like "Why even bothering putting money aside if there is nothing to play on that shit?".

at first you said that no matter what the price is it would 'fly off the shelves' with those games. that is crazy talk. it would, however, push hardware sales but there's only so much to push at a $600 pricepoint.

 

[laserbeam]

they say 100 games by years end coming out for the PS3. What are they? i think we can count on our hands actual titles that exist and half of those are 08

 

[Crypto]

Not that quickly. MSFT will be lucky if the Sept (Halo release month) & October (GTA 4 release month) x360 NPD sales figures combined are more than a million. Actually, that sounds around the right number.

Stuff like Halo 3 and GTA4 will have pretty good legs at the very least.

 

[Souther]

Your goggles make me boggle

shine them up then cause i don't understand what doesnt make sense.

sure physically sony didn't sell 6million consoles like say the Wii has(remember i am saying hypothetically since i don't have athe full numbers on consoles sold) and i have not factored in the cost to actually make the consoles.

but if you calculate the cost of a wii at 249.99 x 6million and then calculate the cost of the PS3 at 549.99 x 3 million....they are close to even but the PS3 having an edge strictly on the price and units sold.

 

[TTP]

at first you said that no matter what the price is it would 'fly off the shelves' with those games. that is crazy talk. it would, however, push hardware sales but there's only so much to push at a $600 pricepoint.

yep, I admit "flying off the shelves" was due to overreacting :lol

 

[mabuza]

PS3 certainly has some software to offer, the price is the main issue

the price is an issue but some people here are acting like if sony were to drop the price by 100$ it will start flying off the shelves. it wont.
the main reason its struggling is cos of software not price.

 

[Link Man]

In other news, grass is green and the sky is blue.

 

[Javaman]

The Wii doesn't have many games but it isn't having any trouble selling. Or are they implying that the Wii has a better game selection?

Better try again Sony. :lol

 

[Odysseus]

You are completely delusional, you know that right? Did you ever see Halo 2 sales numbers? Do you have any idea how many people bought PS2 just for GTAIII?

Christmas is when things sell, not why...

the bump for november 2004 over november 2003 was basically in line with how the entirety of 2004 was selling in regards to 2003. but if you want to get into the semantics of it, halo 2 pushed november sales up ~200K units versus the previous year. december sales were flat, due to a shortage. 2005 sales did not see a boost, so it is not as if demand spilled over.

that's for a $179 console, folks. good luck seeing millions move because of halo 3 on a $400 system. it's the price, people.

 

[sprocket]

PS3's biggest problems at this time.


- Bigger named software still coming out on the ps2.

- No games.

- price is too high.



Though I think the first 2 and worse than the third. And those will be fixed come this holiday season. Though if the PS3 sales do not spike this holiday season then Sony has a real problem.

 

[spwolf]

no, so called hardcore gamers dwelling on messageboards engage in a lot of groupthink are basically nuts.

but whatever, keep looking for the next-gen savior while wii laps the field.



what moves millions of units this year will be the same thing that moved millions last year.

Christmas.

i got it right then

lol

sore winners, sore losers

 

[TTP]

The Wii doesn't have many games but it isn't having any trouble selling. Guess again Sony. :lol

But the Wii doesn need games. Isn't even a console. It's a device you buy to play Wii Sport

 

[spwolf]

PS3's biggest problems at this time.


- Bigger named software still coming out on the ps2.

- No games.

- price is too high.



Though I think the first 2 and worse than the third. And those will be fixed come this holiday season. Though if the PS3 sales do not spike he holiday season then SOny has a real problem.

both are big issues, problem is that cost of hardware is high, so they cant lower the price easily. I am sure Sony would love to sell PS3 for 99$ if they could...

 

[PS360]

"SCEA admits high price hurting PS3."

If they said that, followed by dropping the price by $300, I'd be impressed.

Im sure they're itching to do it. Sony's got dedicated teams to crunch numbers and figure out exactly when a price drop is do-able.

 

[TTP]

PS3's biggest problems at this time.


- Bigger named software still coming out on the ps2.

- No games.

- price is too high.



Though I think the first 2 and worse than the third. And those will be fixed come this holiday season. Though if the PS3 sales do not spike he holiday season then SOny has a real problem.

Agreed 100%.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

PS3's biggest problems at this time.


- Bigger named software still coming out on the ps2.

- No games.

- price is too high.



Though I think the first 2 and worse than the third. And those will be fixed come this holiday season. Though if the PS3 sales do not spike he holiday season then SOny has a real problem.

The problem is that everyone else will be spiking as well. They needed a massive non-stop year to catch up because this holiday both their competitors are Cleveland Steaming with their best, peanut-free output.

 

[Crypto]

the bump for november 2004 over november 2003 was basically in line with how the entirety of 2004 was selling in regards to 2003. but if you want to get into the semantics of it, halo 2 pushed november sales up ~200K units versus the previous year. december sales were flat, due to a shortage. 2005 sales did not see a boost, so it is not as if demand spilled over.

that's for a $179 console, folks. good luck seeing millions move because of halo 3 on a $400 system. it's the price, people.

Halo 2 came out very late in the Xbox 1's cycle, so it cannot be compared to Halo 3 which comes much earlier.

Halo 1 is more comparable in this case as Xbox 1 WAS the Halo machine for a long time.

 

[TTP]

both are big issues, problem is that cost of hardware is high, so they cant lower the price easily. I am sure Sony would love to sell PS3 for 99$ if they could...

But what about our (Europeans) sacrifice!!!

 

[Bungalow Bob]

Not that quickly. MSFT will be lucky if the Sept (Halo release month) & October (GTA 4 release month) x360 NPD sales figures combined are more than a million. Actually, that sounds around the right number.

I´d be astounded if it´s that high. I´d guess 650K for the 2 months combined.

 

[Confusion Illusion]

they say 100 games by years end coming out for the PS3. What are they? i think we can count on our hands actual titles that exist and half of those are 08

I believe they said some like 100 games in developement, not that 100 games wil be releasing this year...iirc.

 

[Souther]

when people say that the PS3 has no games...is that because people actually think the PS3 has no games to play on the system, or because alot of the games are on Xbox 360 aswell...or are they crazy.

PS3 has alot of games right now...unless you want and need to own every PS3 game and play games 12-15 hours a day..
whats the problem?

I have VF5, VT3 and Resistance. plus Tekken 5;DR and blast Factor and pretty much all the demos on PSN...I'm not complaining.

But i will agree on it being pretty expensive. Theres no real argument there.

 

[mollipen]

By the time these games have come out...specifically MGS4...see no reason for someone to sit on the fence anymore concerning purchasing a PS3..

I see a reason to still sit on the fence at that point. Six hundred of them, to be exact.

 

[sprocket]

The problem is that everyone else will be spiking as well. They needed a massive non-stop year to catch up because this holiday both their competitors are Cleveland Steaming with their best, peanut-free output.

Naa I am talking about real problems. Like 3do problems. Sony doesn't have to catch up this year they just need to get the games out and their sales UP to be able to right it out until a price drop .

 

[careksims]

So I bought it at the price they set it....

I do agree that games are hurting it. I only have 4 Ps3 games and all the good stuff in the fall/winter date! They better have a great E3 showing this year.

 

[camineet]

as patheticly bad as PS3 has been doing so far, it would not surprise me at all to see a $200 price-cut combined with a few killer games, plus a bunch of decent games, start to turn things around. or am I just dreaming ?

 

[Ranger X]

as patheticly bad as PS3 has been doing so far, it would not surprise me at all to see a $200 price-cut combined with a few killer games, plus a bunch of decent games, start to turn things around. or am I just dreaming ?

399$ Premium 2008. Believe.

 

[Link Man]

but if you calculate the cost of a wii at 249.99 x 6million and then calculate the cost of the PS3 at 549.99 x 3 million....they are close to even but the PS3 having an edge strictly on the price and units sold.

Souther, you fail to realize, though, that Sony loses around $100-$200 on each console sold, while Wii actually makes a profit. Thus, even if your faulty logic had any credibility, you would still be a fool for suggesting that Sony has the edge over Nintendo.

 

[spwolf]

But what about our (Europeans) sacrifice!!!

i dont know about you, I got one from US, tax free, 20 GB

 

[Souther]

I see a reason to still sit on the fence at that point. Six hundred of them, to be exact.

Get another job like Kutaragi mentioned.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

the bump for november 2004 over november 2003 was basically in line with how the entirety of 2004 was selling in regards to 2003. but if you want to get into the semantics of it, halo 2 pushed november sales up ~200K units versus the previous year. december sales were flat, due to a shortage. 2005 sales did not see a boost, so it is not as if demand spilled over.

that's for a $179 console, folks. good luck seeing millions move because of halo 3 on a $400 system. it's the price, people.

People, sony and MS can keep playing blind but they'll be crying in a year when they are fighting for distant second. Nothing about sub-200K NPD months for MS as the market leader gives me hope. Hell, they just raised the price. I won't buy a $600 console no matter what games are on it. It's ridiculous. I have missed plenty of kickass games in the past and will miss plenty of kickass games. You know what I learned? I haven't really missed that many god-like games. For all the hype, Gears still has a clunky control scheme that can't detect or set you up to get into cover efficiently, most of the time. It's celebrated and jacked off over. Yet, one of the best things about it, is not that great. I guess I'll manage with my life if I can't have any of these alleged great games.

 

[Crypto]

I´d be astounded if it´s that high. I´d guess 650K for the 2 months combined.

I wouldn't be too surprised at numbers like that.

The point is GTA4 + Halo 3 will sell over one million by the virtue of those games alone, probably all within 07.

The system will sell more than 1 million in those months, but the games alone will be the push.

 

[sprocket]

when people say that the PS3 has no games...is that because people actually think the PS3 has no games to play on the system, or because alot of the games are on Xbox 360 aswell...or are they crazy.

PS3 has alot of games right now...unless you want and need to own every PS3 game and play games 12-15 hours a day..
whats the problem?

I have VF5, VT3 and Resistance. plus Tekken 5;DR and blast Factor and pretty much all the demos on PSN...I'm not complaining.

I personally own 10 PS3 games. But besides resistance and motor storm non are MUST HAVE SYSTEM SELLERS on the level of MGS , FF , GT ect.. But good thing is the PS3 will get those games exclusively The big problem is at the moment they got to keep at least the 3million behind mark. Though IMHO OS3 has one of the better end of year line ups. With home and all the new IPS.

 

[Crypto]

People, sony and MS can keep playing blind but they'll be crying in a year when they are fighting for distant second. Nothing about sub-200K NPD months for MS as the market leader gives me hope. Hell, they just raised the price. I won't buy a $600 console no matter what games are on it. It's ridiculous. I have missed plenty of kickass games in the past and will miss plenty of kickass games. You know what I learned? I haven't really missed that many god-like games. For all the hype, Gears still has a clunky control scheme that can't detect or set you up to get into cover efficiently, most of the time. It's celebrated and jacked off over. Yet, one of the best things about it, is not that great. I guess I'll manage with my life if I can't have any of these alleged great games.

Sounds like rationalization to me. Gears isn't a very good game, I never liked it.

However there have been quite a few great games, especially on 360.

 

[spwolf]

when people say that the PS3 has no games...is that because people actually think the PS3 has no games to play on the system, or because alot of the games are on Xbox 360 aswell...or are they crazy.

PS3 has alot of games right now...unless you want and need to own every PS3 game and play games 12-15 hours a day..
whats the problem?

I have VF5, VT3 and Resistance. plus Tekken 5;DR and blast Factor and pretty much all the demos on PSN...I'm not complaining.

But i will agree on it being pretty expensive. Theres no real argument there.

it sure does... but we are talking about 2-3 games... in 8 months from now, PS3 will have 15 blockbuster games out. Then we can honestly say that PS3 has big library of games...

 

[Valkyr Junkie]

as patheticly bad as PS3 has been doing so far, it would not surprise me at all to see a $200 price-cut combined with a few killer games, plus a bunch of decent games, start to turn things around. or am I just dreaming ?

If they could sell the PS3 at $600 in 11/06, they could sell it at $400 in 11/07. They might still be subsidizing the cost, but there would definitely be less monetary loss in the manufacturing. All the reports so far (between the Blu-ray diode, Cell production, and removal of the EE and other 'extraneous' silicon) seem to indicate Sony will be aggressively cost-reducing the PS3. Hopefully they'll be smart enough to pass that on to the consumers.

 

[speculawyer]

oops. nm

 

[Souther]

Souther, you fail to realize, though, that Sony loses around $100-$200 on each console sold, while Wii actually makes a profit. Thus, even if your faulty logic had any credibility, you would still be a fool for suggesting that Sony has the edge over Nintendo.

in a perfect world i guess.

 

[laserbeam]

I wouldn't be too surprised at numbers like that.

The point is GTA4 + Halo 3 will sell over one million by the virtue of those games alone, probably all within 07.

The system will sell more than 1 million in those months, but the games alone will be the push.

Millions of copies of Halo 2 Sold in the first week. for the reporting period of its launch the Xbox saw a 200K unit spike. The Software sells great but its not a system mover.

System seller gets tossed around way too much these days it seems the label gets thrown on anything that might sell lots of software.

GTA also sells lots of software but theres very little noticeable boost to hardware. Theres only been 1 real System Seller in recent times and Thats Wii Sports.