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[Fusebox]

As a DJ who can scratch and a guitarist, imo Guitar Hero is closer to playing real guitar than either of these games are to DJing and that isn't saying much at all. Its kind of a cripple fight between DJ Hero and Scratch.

Crackin DJ on the other hand, that's the goods.

 

[sykoex]

Maybe something like Crackin' DJ would have been better?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skc0eiDZ4mo

I'd freaking love to play that.

 

[Minyobi]

It pains me to see Crackin' DJ in action, as I know I'll probably never play it.

 

[DiddyBop]

after watching both vids i dont see how anyone can say scratch looks more fun.

 

[Gravijah]

This thread is filled with REAL DJ GAMEPLAY experts.

 

[Nabs]

scratch looks boring as hell

 

[sykoex]

It pains me to see Crackin' DJ in action, as I know I'll probably never play it.

Yeah. I really don't think it'd be too hard to make a console version though. Hopefully the people who make Scratch will realize how shitty their control scheme is and decide to rip off Crackin DJ instead of ripping off Guitar Hero.

 

[TheGreatDave]

I think both Scratch and DJ Hero have controllers that can have the turntable removed and connected eitherside. Which means they could maybe add two table gameplay. Expert + for DJ Hero 2 pls.

 

[shuri]

Wow, Cracking DJ looks like its the real superior title..damn

 

[akuma001]

crackin dj looks dope as hell, thats what i was expecting scratch the ultimate dj would be like.

this game incorporates basic techniques like flipping doubles, forwards, and chirps as gameplay unlike the other games where you pretty much just press buttons and scribble when it tells you to.

when i see those non spinning turntables like the one for scratch the ultimate dj and dj hero it reminds me of the kind of djs that use those pioneer cd turntables at grandma's 80th birthday playing ymca and uncle phil's favorite cha cha song. plus the fader isn't even centered which makes it look like those huge 19" rack mixers that don't even have a sharp cut fader.

i know i'm being harsh but i really think dj hero and studj could have been a ton better especially after seeing crackin dj which came out in like 07 or whatever. gameplay alone in the 2 newer games is more focused on pressing buttons, should have just called it mpc hero or mpc ultimate beatmaker with your own random scratching. :/

2009 vs. 2007

but i'm sure they'll both sell a ton so it doesn't matter what i think.

 

[Teknopathetic]

Actually Crackin' DJ's from like 2000. It's on the list of Sega arcade games I hope to run into one day.

 

[conman]

The real question is do you trust the folks who made the Buzz Junior games or Shrek the Third?

 

[Classic_Gs]

"DJ Hero looks like more fun

DJ Hero wins."


The end. The turntable tricks stuff is super neat, but at the end of the day it's 5 key beatmania which is already mediocre. Not to mention Scratch's controller still looks like something I'd give to my 3 year old nephew.

:lol Pretty much sumed it up right there.

 

[KTallguy]

Crackin' DJ is really fun actually, but it's harder than it looks.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Blargh, if I wanted to play something like this I'll stick to Beatmania or Pop'n Music or even DJ Max if I wanted button tapping rhythm games. DJ Hero at least is trying to do something different.

 

[n3ss]

It looks like Scratch teaches you how to DJ and DJ Hero is a game where you pretend to DJ.

Unfortunately Scratch does not teach you how to Dj... I had a chance to play it and talk to the producer; its a fun game but I really disliked the controller and hopefully they fix it before it comes out. besides that I'd take Scratch over Dj Hero any day.

 

[jon bones]

reading this thread was more fun than playing any of these games :lol

 

[n3ss]

reading this thread was more fun than playing any of these games :lol

Pretty much.

 

[Tain]

hey look, the difficult arcade music game seems to be the best one yet again

 

[linsivvi]

hey look, the difficult arcade music game seems to be the best one yet again

The difficult arcade music games have, guess what, 5 button mode for beginners.

Hack, there's even a beginner mode in IIDX.

You can even do auto-scratch, or adjust the note speed to your liking.

 

[SaggyMonkey]

hey look, the difficult arcade music game seems to be the best one yet again

It also has the song selection needed for the mass market.

 

[Tain]

For clarity's sake, I'm not being very sarcastic, here; Crackin' DJ looks like it wipes the floor with these two games. It looks like it's harder, too, which is the norm for an arcade game as well as something music games should be.

 

[Davidion]

Crackin' DJ is really fun actually, but it's harder than it looks.

Really? Because it looks awesome yet already ridiculously hard to play. :lol

 

[Salmonax]

Hadn't seen the DJ Hero controller. Buttons on the platter - WTF?

 

[n3ss]

Hadn't seen the DJ Hero controller. Buttons on the platter - WTF?

Ridiculous honestly. And on the Scratch controller I really don't care for the straight line buttons, kept loosing my place of which button to it (I was intoxicated at the time),would be fine with just four buttons however.

 

[sykoex]

Hadn't seen the DJ Hero controller. Buttons on the platter - WTF?

This sentiment makes no sense. It's like looking at Guitar Hero and going "WTF, buttons on the frets??"

If it's in the service of fun gameplay who cares what it looks like?

 

[Salmonax]

This sentiment makes no sense. It's like looking at Guitar Hero and going "WTF, buttons on the frets??"

Buttons on the neck of a guitar simulates, however crudely, pressing down strings on the different frets to produce different tones.

Buttons on the platter of a turntable simulates what exactly? There's no real-life analog.

 

[evilchicken]

There's no beatmixing in any DJ game. The video posted in the OP was a complete joke.
The Scratch game allows to you add extra elements on the fly, so you can press the buttons even when you don't need to, just as long are you're on beat.

Beatmania also let's you do that, on beat or not. In my experience, it's a lackluster feature becase you can't choose what sounds you are making when you hit the notes when you're not supposed to. Do they have a method to actually make it sound decent? Also, how sure are you that the buttons on the DJ hero controller can't be pressed when there are no notes to be following?

What I don't get is that you seem absolutely sure that there are no complex scratch mechanics in DJ hero. Have you played it? I'm fairly certain that the Activision announcer guy at E3 said that on the highest difficulties, you would have to scratch correctly, with the music.

Either way, a game is not defined by how close it is to the real thing. Though based on my observations, Scratch is pretty much just a 100% clone of beatmania with a different button placement, I don't see what they do different. Care to help me out?

 

[Fusebox]

This sentiment makes no sense. It's like looking at Guitar Hero and going "WTF, buttons on the frets??"

No it isn't. Buttons on the neck as frets makes a modicum of sense, buttons on a turntable platter do not.

 

[Teknopathetic]

I'd never thought I'd see so many people who are into a hobby that hinges on abstracting reality into something more accessible for entertainment purposes get hung up over adding buttons to something where it doesn't belong.

Mindboggling.

 

[modeps]

I didn't think I'd be interested in either game, but after seeing DJ Hero in action, I became more interested in it. Not to mention the music styles between each are drastically different. DJ Hero has mashups while Scratch has straight up hip-hop. I'd rather pretend to be mashing up music instead of laying down some phat beats with some square rubbery buttons.

Scratch's gameplay just looks generic and boring... DJ Hero looks more fun. The end...

Will I buy either? If DJ Hero is $80 or below, I'll probably pick that up. Otherwise, keep dreaming.

 

[Fusebox]

Not really "hung up" as such, it's more like someone releasing a gun peripheral with the trigger on top of the barrel, you'd at least expect everyone to comment on it's bizarre placement.

 

[Teknopathetic]

"Not really, it's like someone releasing a gun peripheral with the trigger on top of the barrel, you'd at least expect everyone to comment on it's bizarre placement."

You mean like how there are some light guns with dpads on the side? Nobody really said anything because it's a game peripheral and nobody expects 100% design accuracy to whatever it's mimicking from reality.

 

[inner-G]

I don't see how the Scratch looks bad at all. The controller looks way better imo, and the music in the games is no comparison. Scratch has Delttron, Eric B. & Rakim, and DJ Hero looks like a bunch of mash-ups with techno and stuff. Maybe I'm biased because I'd much rather have a just hip-hop DJ game, but outside of graphics maybe, I don't see how DJ Hero would be better.

Especially if you've used tables before, DJ hero just looks weird. Buttons ON the record? I mean, seriously, WTF is that?

The MPC buttons are a good addition imo, and I don't think it's bad that they are in a line, as the controller will need to work in either direction.

 

[Fusebox]

You mean like how there are some light guns with dpads on the side? Nobody really said anything because it's a game peripheral.

I said trigger, not d-pad, because guns don't have d-pads in real life but I do see the point you're trying to make.

 

[n3ss]

I don't see how the Scratch looks bad at all. The controller looks way better imo, and the music in the games is no comparison. Scratch has Delttron, Eric B. & Rakim, and DJ Hero looks like a bunch of mash-ups with techno and stuff. Maybe I'm biased because I'd much rather have a just hip-hop DJ game, but outside of graphics maybe, I don't see how DJ Hero would be better.

Especially if you've used tables before, DJ hero just looks weird. Buttons ON the record? I mean, seriously, WTF is that?

The MPC buttons are a good addition imo, and I don't think it's bad that they are in a line, as the controller will need to work in either direction.

The buttons is something I complained about, hopefully they make changes to it. Buttons were not very responsive to light taps, and it felt weird since I had no feed back of the actual button press (could be changed if they add a click).

 

[inner-G]

The buttons is something I complained about, hopefully they make changes to it. Buttons were not very responsive to light taps, and it felt weird since I had no feed back of the actual button press (could be changed if they add a click).

The buttons on Scratch or DJ hero?

The scratch buttons are just like regular MPC buttons.

 

[Nemesis_]

Isn't this being developed by a subsidiary of Activision? Why don't they just merge the products into one? >_>

 

[TheGreatDave]

Isn't this being developed by a subsidiary of Activision? Why don't they just merge the products into one? >_>

Activision bought whoever was making Scratch. But Scratch is being published by some random studio.

Don't worry, I'm sure they've already been put to work on making DJ Hero stuff.

 

[Struct09]

In case people don't know how the DJ Hero controller actually works:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-dj-hero/50518

Holy shit...DJ Hero looks like a lot of fun

 

[linsivvi]

The MPC buttons are a good addition imo, and I don't think it's bad that they are in a line, as the controller will need to work in either direction.

It is bad. The button placement disallowed a lot of finger placement techniques that is possible. The PS2 IIDX controller works in either direction too, so that's not an excuse.

For clarity's sake, I'm not being very sarcastic, here; Crackin' DJ looks like it wipes the floor with these two games. It looks like it's harder, too, which is the norm for an arcade game as well as something music games should be.

I've tried Crackin' DJ a couple times years ago. It's certainly hard and needs time to get used to.