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Screw nVidia, and here's why

TheExodu5 said:
It's pretty much on par with 6990 performance, though uses more power, yet runs cooler.
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It loses to the 6990 when it matters the most (Crysis, Metro), even when overclocked. It is hotter but slightly quieter.
 
Foliorum Viridum said:
Do AMD/Nvidia fanboys exist and have wars like the stupid Xbox and Sony fanboys here on GAF?
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I wouldnt be surprised. I would also say its been going on longer than the console fanboy wars. Let me go around other PC gamers and say "Yeah, I have an AMD card." a big fanboy war will break out then and there just like if I said "Yeah, I only have a PS3."
 
And so, the great PC gaming schism begins. Now's the time for my oppressed console brethren to rise above the master race and claim control!

Half Life 3 will be developed for 360 and then ported to PC!
 
spicy cho said:
Like pay devs for a splash screen with their logo? I'm not talking about that, more about this (if true) and other things like physX.
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No, ATI has done things *exactly* like this. Don't act like they are somehow better because that's bullshit.
 
Cobra84 said:
It loses to the 6990 when it matter the most (Crysis, Metro), even when overclocked. It is hotter but slightly quieter.
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Yeah, it does lose out where it matters. Still, 7dB is nowhere near "slightly quieter". That's a pretty substantive difference.

Anyways, I'm of the opinion that both dual GPU cards are mostly pointless and redundant.
 
This has been happening since what, 2000?

Until the 4850 came along everybody had an nvidia card anyway
 
Teetris said:
This has been happening since what, 2000?

Until the 4850 came along everybody had an nvidia card anyway
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Last video card I owned was an ATI 9600 XT which came with a Half Life 2 coupon. I haven't upgraded my PC since. ):

Is ATI still the way to go?
 
The only competition is Ati (AMD whatever), and it will be a long time before I buy another Radeon card. I have tried on 3 separate occasions and every Radeon I've had has had bad driver issues.
 
Stallion Free said:
No, ATI has done things *exactly* like this. Don't act like they are somehow better because that's bullshit.
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Examples please, as I actually don't know any.

An example of Nvidia being assholes, batman AA implementation was bog standard, they just limited it to run on Nvidia cards. ATI was going to run the same implementation but the devs were not clear on copyright grounds since the implementation was exactly the same without the chipset check. Devs tried to get clarification from Nvidia which was ignored for months. This left ATI/AMD wondering if Nvidia had literally copyrighted the code for the standard AA implementation which it hadn't, The AA for ATI cards were patched in much later, before then the only way to get the AA working on ATI cards were to spoof vendor IDs and it ran BETTER on ATI cards.

Now that is just an asshole move by any standard, if anyone wants to argue its a business you can get stuffed. Its a lame cop out argument which can be applied to anything.

I think that was the gist of that entire situation, as usual if someone can clear my example up it would be appreciated.


bidaum said:
The only competition is Ati (AMD whatever), and it will be a long time before I buy another Radeon card. I have tried on 3 separate occasions and every Radeon I've had has had bad driver issues.
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Bought 4 Radeon cards, 2 Nvidia cards in the last 5 years. 1 Nvidia card had bad memory chipsets by the Chinese manufacture and literally burnt itself out, the other Nvidia card had bad driver support. I have had nothing but good from Radeon cards. Anecdotal evidence is funny ain't it? From my experience I still don't think Nvidia cards are shit, fuck brand loyalty. Whoever has the better card at the time at the best price point is who I will go to.
 
Foliorum Viridum said:
Do AMD/Nvidia fanboys exist and have wars like the stupid Xbox and Sony fanboys here on GAF?
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If they do it's fucking stupid. It's like people having a war over whether the GBA SP or Micro is a better system. They play the same fucking games at the same fucking quality.

The Micro is the greatest gaming system ever made. Fact.
 
FunkyPajamas said:
Last video card I owned was an ATI 9600 XT which came with a Half Life 2 coupon. I haven't upgraded my PC since. ):

Is ATI still the way to go?
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Depends on your wants/needs. In terms of performance/price, they're a bit ahead at this point. Also, aside from their coolers, I think their hardware is much better designed than nVidia.
 
FunkyPajamas said:
Last video card I owned was an ATI 9600 XT which came with a Half Life 2 coupon. I haven't upgraded my PC since. ):

Is ATI still the way to go?
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Depends on how much you want to spend and timing more than anything. Lots of back and forth over the last year or 2.

Secondary stuff like 3D, MLAA, CUDA & Physx, Multi-Monitor setups, etc. are also a big deciding factor unless you want the fastest thing on the market.
 
TheExodu5 said:
Yeah, it does lose out where it matters. Still, 7dB is nowhere near "slightly quieter". That's a pretty substantive difference.

Anyways, I'm of the opinion that both dual GPU cards are mostly pointless and redundant.
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7dB is pretty small when both are too loud to ever be placed in my PC.

I just buy the best under $250 card every few years, so I don't care about these cards either.
 
Stallion Free said:
No, ATI has done things *exactly* like this. Don't act like they are somehow better because that's bullshit.
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Like what? I'm really wondering what they've done that is worse than making an API exclusive...
 
spicy cho said:
Like what? I'm really wondering what they've done that is worse than making an API exclusive...
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Maybe he's talking about the half life 2 & nvidia FX series issues.
 
spicy cho said:
How so? And enabling DX11 in DA2 is the equivalent to putting lipstick on a pig anyways.
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I just replied but I'll elaborate a bit. EA/Bioware decided to go with AMD for that game, I'm guessing because the paycheck was bigger. On a nvidia card it doesn't matter how strong your rig is, if you turn dx11 on you'll get horrid framerates. They put out beta drivers to improve performance, but they didn't do jack shit to my framerates.

Yeah the game's still ugly, but they shafted nvidia users regardless.
 
Ceebs said:
Depends on how much you want to spend and timing more than anything. Lots of back and forth over the last year or 2.

Secondary stuff like 3D, MLAA, CUDA & Physx, Multi-Monitor setups, etc. are also a big deciding factor unless you want the fastest thing on the market.
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TheExodu5 said:
Depends on your wants/needs. In terms of performance/price, they're a bit ahead at this point. Also, aside from their coolers, I think their hardware is much better designed than nVidia.
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Thanks for the answers. Honestly I'm more interested in stability (no bugs, crashes, overheating, etc) and framerate (stable) than I am in extra features (3D, Physx, etc). Hell, back when I was still a PC gamer I didn't even mind running the games in low resolution as long as I had a stable framerate.

I'll check the 2011 "build your own PC" thread for suggestions. Thanks again!
 
phosphor112 said:
They are all greedy assholes.
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You calling greedy a company that obviously wants the upper hand and invests money into staying better than the competition ? oh my god! what madness is this! they are clearly the only company in the videogame world that does this!


:/
 
SalsaShark said:
You calling greedy a company that obviously wants the upper hand and invests money into staying better than the competition ? oh my god! what madness is this! they are clearly the only company in the videogame world that does this!


:/
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they are not the only company but in an ideal world companies try to get ahead of their competition by making better products.
 
subversus said:
they are not the only company but in an ideal world companies try to get ahead of their competition by making better products.
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Yeah, in a world where for example exclusives dont exist. Im gonna wait while sitting if you dont mind.
 
subversus said:
they are not the only company but in an ideal world companies try to get ahead of their competition by making better products.
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Honestly, the level of access to game profiles that Nvidia allows and the sheer number of individual AA profiles and levels to experiment with automatically puts them as a better product in my book.
 
I think the dx11 patch is not exclusive for nvidia cards, the delay is due to AMD has launch a 6990, a card that simpli violates the nvidia top card actually (gtx 580), and for nvidia is a bad escenario for enthusiast market, when they launch a gtx 590 the patch is released for everyone independent of the card (amd, nvidia).
 
Stallion Free said:
Honestly, the level of access to game profiles that Nvidia allows and the sheer number of individual AA profiles and levels to experiment with automatically puts them as a better product in my book.
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While that's not necessarily an advantage to everyone, this is essentially what made me go nVidia this time around. With AMD, you're pretty reliant on their drivers for fixes and optimizations (they've been a lot better about this lately, though).
 
I only roll with nVidia anyways. Pretty stupid way to segment customers though. Knew the PC version for Crysis 2 would be negelected in many ways.
 
Sanjay said:
Thank god I have a Nvidia card.

ATI did this with DA2 as for most Nvidia people playing in DX11 mode is broken.
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Did ATI actually do this or does the game just not work well on nVidia?

Regardless, Microsoft just needs to step up and say that developers can't do this shit with DirectX.
 
Sanjay said:
Thank god I have a Nvidia card.

ATI did this with DA2 as for most Nvidia people playing in DX11 mode is broken.
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ATI didn't do anything, Bioware is just awful.
 
Littlegator said:
Did ATI actually do this or does the game just not work well on nVidia?

Regardless, Microsoft just needs to step up and say that developers can't do this shit with DirectX.
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I saw someone in the DA2 say that AMD worked with/paid Bioware to get DX11 optimized for their cards but in turn, it runs shitty on Nvidia.
 
Littlegator said:
Did ATI actually do this or does the game just not work well on nVidia?

Regardless, Microsoft just needs to step up and say that developers can't do this shit with DirectX.
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I'd step it up to bioware just not giving a shit frankly. I highly doubt AMD would pay them to screw over nvidia, mainly because the game is butt ugly dx11 or not. Looking at screens the api's are pretty much indistinguishable and both have the same horrid low res textures.
 
Littlegator said:
Did ATI actually do this or does the game just not work well on nVidia?
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I read somewhere that AMD helped them with the DX11 implementation. Just like how Nvidia had some dudes helped with the Cuda implementation on Just Cause 2.
 
reptilescorpio said:
Eh, you can point out instances of moneyhating for both companies. DA2 hates Nvidia, Half Life 2 was an ATI paradise, etc. The evidence isn't really there but if anything ATI cards are at a disadvantage because of how poor the drivers can be. In 6 months time everybody will be happy and we can complain about the next big game that is being moneyhated.
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Bullshit. ATI drivers are fine. Both camps have their issues. Stop spreading FUD.
 
seeds19 said:
I think the dx11 patch is not exclusive for nvidia cards, the delay is due to AMD has launch a 6990, a card that simpli violates the nvidia top card actually (gtx 580), and for nvidia is a bad escenario for enthusiast market, when they launch a gtx 590 the patch is released for everyone independent of the card (amd, nvidia).
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No of course it's not exclusive. The OP is sensationalist and based on year old speculative articles.
 
I think this news is false. It would probably take more than $2M for them to stoop to this level. If true, this is the kind of shit that would destroy PC gaming.
 
reptilescorpio said:
Eh, you can point out instances of moneyhating for both companies. DA2 hates Nvidia, Half Life 2 was an ATI paradise, etc. The evidence isn't really there but if anything ATI cards are at a disadvantage because of how poor the drivers can be. In 6 months time everybody will be happy and we can complain about the next big game that is being moneyhated.
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Don't know about DA2 but HL2 was just a symptom of the FX series being generally terrible at DX9 games. The 6 series ran it just as good or better then ATi's X series. AMD drivers are fine.
 
Littlegator said:
AMD helping get it to work on their own architecture is not even close to the same as paying for it not to work on the other.
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And there's absolutely no evidence of that happening here.

To be honest, I'm disappointed in both video card manufacturers here. It's pretty inexcusable that neither has working Crossfire/SLI drivers for the launch of Crysis 2.
 
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