His Majesty
Banned
fyi you could do the same in the original TSW
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Secret World Legends |OT| The Return of Cthulhu ft. Soviet Space Vampires
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fyi you could do the same in the original TSW
His Majesty
Banned
For me it depends. I don't mind it as long as the AP/SP gain is reasonably balanced which, so far, seems to be the case.
Much worse for me are the daily limit on dungeons, the meagre patron rewards and the really boring loot system.
Much worse for me are the daily limit on dungeons, the meagre patron rewards and the really boring loot system.
His Majesty
Banned
Mostly, yes. Patrons receive 1 key every day. I don't really mind their implementation as you can also sell them for 50 shards each if you have no keys.
Mithos
Member
Real money/subscription/patron rewards.
His Majesty
Banned
I really don't understand Funcom's monetization strategy here.
- Casual players will likely not spend a dime and will simply complete the story. Also all story content and future issues will be free so they won't generate any income.
- Hardcore players are turned off by the daily dungeon key limit and cap on Marks of Favour. Their daily progression is severely limited.
So far these restrictions seem reasonable for f2p players. But the problem is that Patron status does not lift these restrictions. You get to run 3 instead of 1.5 dungeons a day. Your Marks of Favour are still capped at the same amount.
I highly encourage everyone to play this game and experience the amazing storyline and quests but so far endgame content doesn't seem worth the hassle.
- Casual players will likely not spend a dime and will simply complete the story. Also all story content and future issues will be free so they won't generate any income.
- Hardcore players are turned off by the daily dungeon key limit and cap on Marks of Favour. Their daily progression is severely limited.
So far these restrictions seem reasonable for f2p players. But the problem is that Patron status does not lift these restrictions. You get to run 3 instead of 1.5 dungeons a day. Your Marks of Favour are still capped at the same amount.
I highly encourage everyone to play this game and experience the amazing storyline and quests but so far endgame content doesn't seem worth the hassle.
All I did was give the counter-point to your statement to show progress isn't completely blocked off if you don't pay up. Why on earth are you being so defensive? :/
im being defensive? you literally acted like the typical defense force by imediatly going "but but you dont have to pay!". Again, I never said "skill points are locked behind a paywall"
whatever dude, like I said above, you have your opinion, I have mine. The more I delve into the game, the more Im soured on their f2p model, if you're cool with it, more power to you.
ChemicalCutthroat
Member
I'm in agreement there. Yes. Play the game, experience the awesome story. Play Illuminati.
But as someone who has a group that is going to want to run dungeons, crush end game stuff, and work hard playing with friends... I want that 13 dollars a month to throw all those restrictions on dungeon running out the window at least. The Patron's will be able to grind out that fancy gear to make their endgame more rewarding, and they can funnel unwanted stuff to the Auction House (if that ever gets straight) for the F2P peoples to access, which should keep item prices reasonable. If they make the game fun and rewarding, they'll make enough money from cosmetic sales. Possibly. I dunno.
As someone who invested a nice chunk of money into the original I'd really like some more bonuses. But I'll take what I got.
Actually this strategy worked out pretty well for DCU Online, at least I think that game is doing well. I didn't mind it back when I played it.
I was just pointing out that the pay-for-skills side of things thankfully doesn't hinder the player at all in being able to play the game, even at the early stages.
I don't like the idea of paying for skills either and I'd prefer that it wasn't there. Just didn't want someone mistakenly avoiding giving the game a try because they might have assumed major amount of skill-progress was money-gated.
my bad then, i'm having a bad day, im getting pissy with a lot of random shit today.
Don't worry about it, no harm done.
On the good side of the game: I'm envious of new players getting to experience some of this content for the first time, such as
The Black House
Last Train To Cairo
cj_iwakura
Member
I'm not sure I saw the second one... but I pretty much blitzed Egypt. It wasn't fun for me.
It was one of the 'Issue' mission-packs that just about made the original Egypt slog worth it with that final mission.
Looking forward to doing the mission-packs I missed out on when I left, as they were good story-heavy chunks of refined content.
no matter how I feel about the f2p...ness of it, I still mantain its totally worth playing it as a single player type thing just for the story, those investigation missions, even with guides, are fantastic.
cj_iwakura
Member
So it's something I had to buy?
I'm legit sad this isn't on consoles, I feel like it would be a terrific offline game.
cj_iwakura
Member
Transylvania has the best NPCs.
The best.
The best.
I really dislike the new equipment system btw. It's just boring and I have like 5 unopened weapon- and talisman bags each because I can't be bothered to actually open them - there's nothing interesting in there anyway and they'd just take up inventory-space unless I'd fuse them, which I don't want because it costs money and the game is so easy that it doesn't matter. I'm only fusing because of the daily challenge..
BizzyBum
Member
Damn dude, looks like screenshots I took of games back when I used my laptop in 2005. lol
Technically, yes. You got enough in-game credits through being subscribed to purchase it, so long as you didn't want any vanity items that month.
His Majesty
Banned
Yes, I think so. All pre-Tokyo content should be in the game. I'm not sure if issue 14 is also in the game, another awesome series of missions in Egypt.
Issue 1-4: Extra missions in all zones and the Manhattan Exclusion Zone Raid
Issue 5-7: Three quest lines to provide a (very satisfying!) conclusion to the New England, Egypt and Transylvania story lines. Highly suggested to play each of these issues AFTER finishing the corresponding story in those zones.
Issue 8: Scenario's and the prelude to Tokyo. I don't think the last part is in the game already.
Issue 9-13: TOKYO BABY
Issue 14: Another great series of missions in Egypt.
Issue 15: Lots of investigation and action missions, primarily in Tokyo
I thought it was today on Steam but its the end of July...I played the beta for this,also Conan,I have a account and all but it's not working,even if I do the forgot password thing...did they have a hacking scare a while back and resetted everything...?
Anyway,if I want to play now guess I will create a new account at Funcom.
Anyway,if I want to play now guess I will create a new account at Funcom.
Well I've just went through my first dungeon, Polaris solo.
My current build is basically unkillable (chaos is awesome) but I feel like damage is a little lacking. Maybe I'll have to switch out Blood for something else :/ ...Not that I'm actually using blood much, but it looks cool if I do. Welp. I don't really want to go back to elemental, so maybe I'll check guns, but I'll see. It's not exactly urgent.
Anyway, the dungeon was cool, but the loot system is fucking awful. Did they set out of to try and create the most demotivating loot system in existence? I went through an entire dungeon and got fuck all equipment, just those upgrade thingies. God damn.
My current build is basically unkillable (chaos is awesome) but I feel like damage is a little lacking. Maybe I'll have to switch out Blood for something else :/ ...Not that I'm actually using blood much, but it looks cool if I do. Welp. I don't really want to go back to elemental, so maybe I'll check guns, but I'll see. It's not exactly urgent.
Anyway, the dungeon was cool, but the loot system is fucking awful. Did they set out of to try and create the most demotivating loot system in existence? I went through an entire dungeon and got fuck all equipment, just those upgrade thingies. God damn.
Seems to be some big changes coming.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SecretWorldLegends/comments/6khghs/livestream_stuff_so_far_just_dumping_my_notes/?st=j4k8bsxh&sh=3d4069e9
Looks good, especially for patrons.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SecretWorldLegends/comments/6khghs/livestream_stuff_so_far_just_dumping_my_notes/?st=j4k8bsxh&sh=3d4069e9
Looks good, especially for patrons.
His Majesty
Banned
SEASON TWO INFO COMING NEXT WEEK OMG BONER FROM HERE TO CONGO (antarctica / the moon is also acceptable)
Also info on Tokyo and Aegis
very, very happy with the changes I am seeing there, seems like Funcom is really listening to the feedback from the community
still limited dungeon keys though =(
-Patron now has value.
-Weapon unlocks are friendlier for newer players to try out or change weapons types.
-Trading from level 15+ for non-patrons
-Better dungeon
Hype level is going back up. Quite busy irl now so I am still in Savage Coast but can't wait to see Elite Dungeons.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SecretWorldLegends/comments/6khhid/upcoming_changes_from_slide_stream/
all changes
also everyone will receive compensation (AP/SP/MoF/Shards) for downtime
Also info on Tokyo and Aegis
very, very happy with the changes I am seeing there, seems like Funcom is really listening to the feedback from the community
still limited dungeon keys though =(
-Patron now has value.
-Weapon unlocks are friendlier for newer players to try out or change weapons types.
-Trading from level 15+ for non-patrons
-Better dungeon
Hype level is going back up. Quite busy irl now so I am still in Savage Coast but can't wait to see Elite Dungeons.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SecretWorldLegends/comments/6khhid/upcoming_changes_from_slide_stream/
all changes
also everyone will receive compensation (AP/SP/MoF/Shards) for downtime
Angelus Errare
Banned
Haven't played in ages, might give it a go again. Are they phasing out vanilla TSW for Legends or vanilla be up for at least another year or three? Debating whether or not to play Legends or log back into my vanilla account.
His Majesty
Banned
Vanilla TSW will stay up but I highly encourage you to play Legends because TSW won't see any more content updates. I also doubt you'll find many people to run dungeons with. Seeing as you haven't played in ages and Secret World is a very story-heavy game I recommend just starting over.
Also, as you can see, Funcom has addressed a lot of the paywall concerns players have voiced over the last week.
Still can't believe I will see the release of season 2 during my lifetime. Please don't you dare fuck this up Funcom. I always thought it was just vapourware. A carrot on a stick to keep false hope alive.
Also, as you can see, Funcom has addressed a lot of the paywall concerns players have voiced over the last week.
Still can't believe I will see the release of season 2 during my lifetime. Please don't you dare fuck this up Funcom. I always thought it was just vapourware. A carrot on a stick to keep false hope alive.
Dick Justice
Banned
Patron changes actually made me look up what you are actually geting atm and what it costs and just had to laugh. Quite pathetic.
There is a Mark <> Aurum exchange in the auction house window.
There is a Mark <> Aurum exchange in the auction house window.
There are no real tested builds yet but by leveling to 50 you'll be able to get all active skills for at least 2 weapons, so feel free to experiment! Also, there's no cap, so eventually you'll be able to get everything
Cool! Ill just get what sounds neat and go from there. I like the idea of shooting guns and smashing with hammers so it seems like a good fit.
Durrzerker
Banned
Christ the leveling feels messy now. Having to run back to the sheriff's station every few missions so I can do Moose's next job is annoying. Why did they change it off being able to just knock out all of an NPC's stuff and move on?
SuperStiltzkin
Member
Hmm I was thinking of giving this a shot after I exhaust the Stormblood content. But that monetization kinda turns me away. And patron status doesn't sound like it lifts too many of those monetization barriers.
I remember hearing good things about the original TSW. Is this one better/worse?
I remember hearing good things about the original TSW. Is this one better/worse?
I'm not sure what you mean. Questing hasn't really changed.
Durrzerker
Banned
Yes it has. It used to be, as soon as you arrived at the Sheriff's station, you could take Moose's first mission. Or the Deputy's. Then you could do the second one, etc, 'til you cleared all of them.
Now when you arrive, you can't even do Moose's first mission. You have to go way out to Norma, make progress in the main quest, then come back to get his first mission. It adds a bunch of needless back-and-forth that is a huge time waster.
cj_iwakura
Member
What's the harm? Different game, still popular.
The game was always designed around loops, you could never just grab all the quests and go
Durrzerker
Banned
Yes but it's way, way worse now. You used to be able to talk to Moose, do his mission, come back, do his next mission, come back, until you were done. Then you never had to fucking talk to Moose again. Now I never know when his next one will unlock.
Obviously this doesn't bug you guys as much as it does me, but I am very intent on a methodical process of clearing content and it annoys me.