Sega Dreamcast - Appreciation and Emulation Thread

Seik · Oct 28, 2012

Reiko · Oct 28, 2012

The most mind blowing QTE in existence... The Anti QTE

I love Shenmue 2

jooey · Oct 28, 2012

Seik said:

There are only two ways to rip your DC games:
Using a broadband adapter and transfer the disc's data to your computer via internet. You don't want to use the default line connection, it'll go at 40k/sec and it'll make your Dreamcast work for way too long (24h a game compared to 20 minutes with the BBA.).
-You'll have to use a program httpd-ack (Click here to download) and burn the CDI file on a CD-ROM
-You'll need an official (or burned CD) version a DC Web Browser to configure your DC's static IP. XDP recommended, this is the one I used and I didn't had any problems.
-You'll need CDMage as well to verify if you data are correct. (Click here to download)
Click here for the complete tutorial for the Broadband adapter method.

You will also be able to get the DC_BOOT and DC_FLASH files you need to run NullDC with the BBA method. These are available to take from your console each time you're ripping a game.

There is also the SD card ripping method, with which you will need an SD card adapter that will go in the back of the dreamcast. You can easily find those on Ebay for 10 times cheaper than the BBA.

Seik · Oct 28, 2012

jooey said:

Yeah I know, you need to be really motivated to buy one of those, I got a deal on GAF for 85$. ^^

And this is why I specified that the SD card method is also available.

Canis lupus · Oct 28, 2012

One day I hope to post from a Dreamcast on Neogaf.

Bog · Oct 28, 2012

Emulation? Boo.

Console + Original discs + VGA. That's what real DC fans use.

CheesecakeRecipe · Oct 28, 2012

Still got mine sitting next to me, still thinking.

Favorite console of all time right there.

saelz8 · Oct 28, 2012

I drove almost 2 hours to buy this badboy.

Worth it.

papersleeves · Oct 28, 2012

Bog said:

Seik · Oct 28, 2012

Bog said:

'Real DC fans', like you said, will have loads of fun testing/playing their games again.

papersleeves said:

Well, I mentioned my reasons for using emulators guys. Those are FROM the original discs btw. I have a VGA box as well and it is just great, but if its possible, I don't mind having a superior resolution, its always welcomed as long as everything works fine imho. I understand what you mean though, but in my case, I'm the kind of guy who wants things to go to the next level. When I see a Dreamcast game that works perfectly on this emulator and looks quite better than anything a VGA box would ever be able to deliver, I see it as playing the game at its full potential.

I consider computers and emulators as the future of the DC just like any old consoles that exists. We'll have to rely on these in a not so far future, that's why I'm so enthusiastic about the whole emulation thing. Say boo all you want, that won't change anything.

CrashPrime · Oct 28, 2012

Bog said:

Except realER DC fans who use dummied and file re-ordered burned versions of the games they have still in shrink wrap, so as to lessen the work needed to be done by the laser, keep the original safe and sound, and also speed up load times.

like me

Seik · Oct 28, 2012

More tests. Special: Fighting Edition.

I like that, a lot. NullDC does a marvelous job, those works perfectly and this is pixel precise stuff.

Capcom VS. SNK2

Fatal Fury Mark of the Wolves

More tests to come later today.

sixteen-bit · Oct 28, 2012

Say, are Dreamcasts capable of outputting 240p? I'm thinking about buying an RGB cable for mine and adding it to my SD setup. VGA is quite wonderful and all, but I can't play games like Mars Matrix and Bangai-O since they're not compatible.

Seik · Oct 28, 2012

_dementia said:

Well if you're in Europe and you have a SCART compatible TV, the Dreamcast have its own SCART cable which provides 240p. If not you could still get the SCART cable, plus a converter box but that would cost a lot.

Did some more tests todays. ^^

Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver. Works great!

Sonic Adventure

sixteen-bit · Oct 28, 2012

Any high-res shots of Cosmic Smash?

Syriel · Oct 28, 2012

_dementia said:

The Dreamcast renders at 480p internally by default for most software.

drizzle · Oct 29, 2012

_dementia said:

Can't you rip and patch them to be 480p compatible? You'd have to burn a new copy of it, but I think you can do it...

Edit: I guess some games can't be patched, like Bangai-O...

Edit2: I think the last Utopia Boot Disc allows VGA for everything.

Shion · Oct 29, 2012

This should be in the op

Dreamcast HD Tribute

randomwab · Oct 29, 2012

Shion said:

Sega, please release Shenmue HD...please....PLEASE

Milchjon · Oct 29, 2012

The packaging design of the Dreamcast holds up amazingly well.

I also still love the look of the console.

Milchjon · Oct 29, 2012

Shion said:

Headhunter!

I'd almost forgotten about that one, might be my favorite game plot to this day.

Need to play it again someday.

Pimpbaa · Oct 29, 2012

Man, we almost had to wait a year from the Japanese release to get a Dreamcast?

Sophia · Oct 29, 2012

Ever since I found a Dreamcast, two VMUs, and two controllers for cheap at a flea market, hunting for used Dreamcast games has become somewhat of a hobby. I love this system, it's a shame it wasn't on market for as long as it's competitors

Tankshell · Oct 29, 2012

I still break out the Dreamcast occasionally to play Jap Ikaruga... imo the best home version.

Might look into emulating it as my Dreamcast has seen better days.

mrklaw · Oct 29, 2012

I have fond memories of the time when the official dreamcast magazine (I think?) gave away a demo of a disc which lets you play any region games, but by accident it was the full version. Good times

Lambtron · Oct 29, 2012

Dreamcast is definitely my favorite console of all time. I'm actually getting really close to finishing off my collection. A couple years ago I made a list of every DC game I had basically any interest in, and I've got all but 13. Though I'd be interested in adding stuff that's cool that I don't have on my list.

PowderedToast · Oct 29, 2012

it's my main console. hook it up via VGA and you can do no wrong (apart from a few incompatible games)

i've never seriously researched this but DC surely has the most 60fps titles of any console, right? it's astounding how many there are

Theonik · Oct 29, 2012

Tbh, DC emulation is still not good enough to be worth the effort. With VGA out and a CRT monitor it's also largely not a big deal.

DonMigs85 · Oct 29, 2012

Ugh, Dreamcast fans out in force again...
While it was a good system, the GameCube was far better.
Even the N64 was better IMO. Far more classic games on there.
And it's silly to even compare it to PS1 and its library.

Coin Return · Oct 29, 2012

My launch DC is still kicking. It remains the only console I've ever installed a mod chip in, back when importing games was worthwhile.

stuminus3 · Oct 29, 2012

I used to have a rather large network of friends. I convinced them ALL to buy a Dreamcast. Two weeks later, Sega pulled the plug. Now I have no friends.

DonMigs85 · Oct 29, 2012

stuminus3 said:

You should sue Sega for emotional damages

Lambtron · Oct 29, 2012

DonMigs85 said:

I think the GameCube is a very underrated system, but its lineup is nowhere near as awesome as the Dreamcast lineup. The N64 had a handful of all-time awesome games, but it's not even as good as the GameCube lineup. I know a lot of people prefer the PSOne lineup, but eh. My gaming tastes trend way more towards arcade-style games. The only console close in my mind is SNES.

grap3fruitman · Oct 29, 2012

So I recently picked up a replacement Dreamcast and some imports (nothing special). What can I do for a boot disc?

rbenchley · Oct 29, 2012

DonMigs85 said:

What are you doing in this thread than? The title of the thread indicates that it's for fans of the system to discuss their favorite games for the platform and emulating the system, and you thought it was a good idea to come in here and rain on everyone's parade? Don't act like a jackass.

Theonik · Oct 29, 2012

DonMigs85 said:

I like the NGC but seriously what the hell are you doing in this thread? Also the DC had a lot more interesting games in a shorter timespan.

Seik · Oct 29, 2012

Theonik said:

Did you tried it to say this? Because so far every games I tried worked perfectly, in fact I'm surprised at how the thing is stable. Only a few games had some very minor graphical bugs that disappeared after half a second. So far I'm very satisfied with this version of NullDC.

Jacobi · Oct 29, 2012

Does ShenMue work properly now? Last i check I could see through Ryu's head

Theonik · Oct 29, 2012

Seik said:

Yes, I have used NullDC very extensively. There are several graphical bugs in some games. Also don't even think about playing Shenmue/2 on it.
Edit: Mind you I sorta stopped using it since I got a new DC last year.

Krappadizzle · Oct 29, 2012

Just wanted to chime in and say how much I love the DC. Launch was awesome.

I still almost monthly bust it out to play Tennis 2k2 with my buddies once everyone has hit a certain drunk point. So much fun.

Krappadizzle · Oct 29, 2012

DonMigs85 said:

Way to largely miss the point of the thread. And troll.

george_us · Oct 29, 2012

The DC still holds a very special place in my heart despite the PS2 being unquestionably the best console ever.

IrishNinja · Oct 29, 2012

ya'll need to quit giving attention to trolls

goddamn, those SCART shots look amazing. i gotta get around to buying a VGA to HDMI converter already.

much love to the DC, one of my all-time favorites.

papersleeves · Oct 29, 2012

Jacobi said:

This is the most up to date list available that I could find in 2 minutes.

90 Minutes Football= Playable but have graphic glitches (flashes, object disappear etc...)

102 Dalmatians= Perfect

Aqua GT= Perfect

Army Men Sarge's Heroes= Perfect

Blue Stinger= Playable but have graphic glitches (flashes, object disappear etc...)

Carrier= Perfect

Crazy Taxi= Perfect

Crazy Taxi 2= Perfect

Dave Mirra Freestyle Bmx= Not Playable "Gives '8bit vram writes are not possible' error but it works perfectly under "nulldc 100b 1.6"

Dead Or Alive= Perfect

Draconus Cult Of The Wrym= Playable but have graphic glitches (sky flashes, object disappear etc...)

Dragon Riders Chronicle Of Pern= Perfect

Elemental Gimmick Gear= Perfect

Evil Twin Cyprien'S Chronicles= Playable but have unimportant graphic glitches (flashes etc...)

Evolution world of sacred device= Playable "some graphic flashes"

Fatal Fury Mark Of The Wolves= Perfect

Frogger Swampy's Revenge= Perfect

Gauntlet Legends= Perfect

Grandia 2= Perfect

Grinch,The= Perfect

Head Hunter= Perfect

Illbleed= Perfect

Jetset Radio= Perfect

Jojo's Bizarre Adventures= Perfect

King Of Fighters 2000= Perfect

King Of Fighters 2001= Perfect

King Of Fighters 2002= Perfect

King Of Fighters Evolution= Perfect

Legacy Of Kain Soul Reaver= Perfect "but dynarec must be enabled otherwise can be slow"

Looney Tunes Space Race= Playable except sound problem (sometimes voice stick and repeat background during menu and race)

Marvel vs Capcom= Perfect

Mdk 2= Perfect

Omikron Nomad Soul= Not Playable "Gives '8bit vram writes are not possible' error but it works perfectly under "nulldc 100b 1.6"

Phantasy star online= Barely in game "Serious graphic flashes but playable"

Prince Of Persia Arabian Nights= Not Playable "Gives 'implemented opcode: 0 : unknown opcode @ 8C004000' "

Project Justice= Perfect

Propeller Arena= Perfect

Psychic Force 2012= Perfect

Rayman 2= Playable but have unimportant graphic glitches

Record Of Lodoss War= Perfect

Resident Evil Code Veronica= Perfect

Rez= Perfect

Rippin' Riders= Perfect

Sega Extreme Sports= Playable but have unimportant graphic glitches (flashes etc...)

Shadowman= Perfect

Shenmue= Playable but have unimportant graphic glitches (transparent hair etc...)

Shenmue 2= Playable but have unimportant graphic glitches (object disappear etc...)

Silver= Perfect

Skies Of Arcadia= Playable but have unimportant graphic glitches (flashes etc...)

Soul Calibur= Perfect

Soul Fighter= Perfect

Star Wars Episode 1 Racer= Not Playable "Gives '8bit vram writes are not possible' error but it works perfectly under "nulldc 100b 1.6"

Street Fighter Third Strike= Perfect

Street Fighter 3 Double Impact= Perfect

Sword Of Berserk Gut's Rage= Perfect

Tokyo bus guide= Perfect

Urban Chaos= Not Playable "Gives 'not implemented opcode: 38 : ldtlb @ 8C01257E' "

Virtua Fighter 3tb= Perfect

Virtua Striker 2= Perfect

IrishNinja said:

Those are not SCART shots...

Seik · Oct 29, 2012

Theonik said:

For the moment I can't say, the only one I tried are those which I posted screenshots from and most of them were quite good imo.

I have Shenmue though, I'll rip it tonight to try it. I was just feeling lazy because its four discs but I'll just rip the first one to test it.

Krappadizzle · Oct 29, 2012

Seik said:

I meant to say also, kick ass thread man. I love the DC with a passion.

I took this pick on the the DC birthday.

Miss the days when DC was the king of the hill.

Seik · Oct 29, 2012

Krappadizzle said:

Haha thanks!

Nice pick-up man!

(Nice setup as well!)

I remember back in the days when it just came out, how mindblown I was just to play Sonic Adventure for the first time, when the two last consoles I played massively were the N64 and the PSX, plus the fact that I was a fan of everything SEGA...it was just too perfect.

Just tried this:

-Expandable- Works quite well too, holy shit this game is fun!

EDIT:

papersleeves said:

Hmmmm, I'll hunt this one soon!

EDIT2:
Done aaaand done. DAT IMPULSE.

IrishNinja · Oct 29, 2012

papersleeves said:

oh, is that the emu? if so, your post shows some progress, still not at system replacement level for me yet though.

MrCunningham · Oct 29, 2012

DonMigs85 said:

Dreamcast first party line up > Gamecube first party line up

Though, a lot of Sega's first party Dreamcast games ended up on the Gamecube anyway, so this kind of invalidates the whole argument

But seriously, Sega's first party teams were amazing during the Dreamcast era. It's amazing how many new and original franchises they produced in the short lifespan of the console. The Dreamcast is just one of those consoles for me that was very hard to hate.

Also, the Dreamcast fishing controller doubled as a pretty decent tennis racket in Virtua Tennis.

Pimpbaa said:

As crazy as it sounds, this use to be the norm for console releases.

DonMigs85 · Oct 29, 2012

MrCunningham said:

Gasp
Gasp
Gasp
Anyway, good thing Pen Pen TriIceLon remained DC-exclusive, it's the one thing that makes the actual hardware worth owning since almost every other good game migrated to some other platform.

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