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Senator John McCain has emergency eye surgery

Maiden Voyage said:
I'm not wishing pain and misery on anyone.
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I mean, you're functionally saying that wishing misery on an individual is condemnable in the same way that actively working to create pain and misery in millions of people is. Just by equating the two you're effectively standing up for McCain's position.
 
how much does a dude gotta do before you aren't allowed to wish him well? like this guy has continuously rolled over on trump policies that would do a vast swathe of america a considerable amount of harm and we're still supposed to wish he gets better promptly so he could go to vote yes (lmao) to deny healthcare to millions?
 
Poodlestrike said:
I mean, you're functionally saying that wishing misery on an individual is condemnable in the same way that actively working to create pain and misery in millions of people is. Just by equating the two you're effectively standing up for McCain's position.
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If I don't wish pain and misery on McCain, I am inadvertently wishing pain and misery on millions of Americans? That does not make logical sense.
 
Was he concerned about his eye? Maybe troubled? Perhaps deeply troubled?

Nah, it must have been worse than any of those, since he actually took action on it.
 
Maiden Voyage said:
If I don't wish pain and misery on McCain, I am inadvertently wishing pain and misery on millions of Americans? That does not make logical sense.
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McCain suffering and not receiving from this quickly is the best situation for delaying the repeal of Obamacare.

It aren't nice but for the tens of millions who depend on Obamacare to get somewhat affordable health coverage as well as the millions of rural hospitals that depend on Medicare, it's in their best interests to not hope for a speedy recovery for McCain.

Because everyone knows McCain will vote straight Republican when it's 100% that everyone is on board with repealing Obamacare. It's sort of like not wishing a speedy recovery to a mass murderer because that is essentially what the Republican Party is mulling about right now and why some members like Collins are vehemently voting "no" because their proposals will literally kill her state.
 
Even if we don't see eye to eye politically, I hope the recovery goes well. Maybe a health crisis will make him realize the importance of good health care?
 
Kevinroc said:
People really think McCain wouldn't vote to gut the biggest legislative achievement of the guy who beat him in 2008?
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Whether or not he votes against it should not factor into anyone's empathy and compassion towards him. You shouldn't need to have someone earn those things or be worthy of them.
 
Pattycakes said:
Whether or not he votes against it should not factor into anyone's empathy and compassion towards him.
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Yes it does what the hell, condemning millions of americans to avoidable injury or death does greatly affect my opinion of him and how much care i give for him being injured
 
Pattycakes said:
Whether or not he votes against it should not factor into anyone's empathy and compassion towards him.
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YES IT SHOULD

IT WILL KILL MILLIONS OF AMERICANS AND PUT OTHERS IN TO DEBT, GAFFERS INCLUDED

If that doesn't alter someone's perception of him beyond all the other harmful GOP positions he votes for then what the hell would
 
sersteven said:
Even if we don't see eye to eye politically, I hope the recovery goes well. Maybe a health crisis will make him realize the importance of good health care?
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lmao the Republican Party tried to put an amendment where congressmen would still be receipents to Obamacare benefits.

Most of these guys straight up don't give a shit about their constituents, to the point they're voting for whether or not to harm or kill millions of Americans. Just for some tax cuts for the very rich, this isn't just repealing Obamacare but also severely cutting Medicaid, which severely fucks every rural constituent up the ass.
 
Psychoward said:
That's a shame.
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The moment the best of us start acting like the worst of us, is when we're done.

Are some of you guys legitimately wishing for GOP leadership to come to harm? What would that even solve?

I can hope the guy is okay as a human and also think the GOP is a parasite that should be purged, just by you know, voting them out of office or a peaceful way.
 
Hierophant said:
Yes it does what the hell, condemning millions of americans to avoidable injury or death does greatly affect my opinion of him and how much care i give for him being injured
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I don't agree with his views, and I'll be angry should he vote for it. There's nothing I'd like more to see the GOP and McCain out of office for good, but I don't want to see any of them die simply because I disagree with their political views and political actions. I want peaceful voting out of office or peaceful political revolution. At the end of the day, it's the American people who keep voting them into office.
 
Pattycakes said:
Whether or not he votes against it should not factor into anyone's empathy and compassion towards him. You shouldn't need to have someone earn those things or be worthy of them.
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I don't recall saying whether or not I think he does or does not deserve empathy. But people are very scared that they and/or their loved ones will end up in a bad situation because of this man's actions. And if the worst they do is say how much they dislike him on a message board for this? I don't think that's anything.
 
sersteven said:
The moment the best of us start acting like the worst of us, is when we're done.

Are some of you guys legitimately wishing for GOP leadership to come to harm? What would that even solve?

I can hope the guy is okay as a human and also think the GOP is a parasite that should be purged, just by you know, voting them out of office or a peaceful way.
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He already came to harm, me not feeling sorry that he got a surgery covered by Healthcare that he's going to cut from me and many others doesn't make me bad lol
 
sersteven said:
The moment the best of us start acting like the worst of us, is when we're done.

Are some of you guys legitimately wishing for GOP leadership to come to harm? What would that even solve?

I can hope the guy is okay as a human and also think the GOP is a parasite that should be purged, just by you know, voting them out of office or a peaceful way.
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yeah see republicans don't care about if you act dignified or not because they are not beholden to such rules, they play dirty and win constantly

to continue to try and act dignified and lose in an extremely dignified manner is just a failure to every single american who would be helped by dem policies
 
Maiden Voyage said:
I guess my way of opposing the BRCA is by contacting my Senators but to each their own.
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It would normally work but these Republican congressmen are letting their voice mail fill up and are avoiding town hall meetings.

They know the repeal is garbage. They don't give a shit it's garbage. Most are voting for a sub-20% approval rating bill through for tax cuts because they're never getting this chance anymore come 2020.
 
Tommy DJ said:
It would normally work but these Republican congressmen are letting their voice mail fill up and are avoiding town hall meetings.

They know the repeal is garbage. They don't give a shit it's garbage. Most are voting for a sub-20% approval rating bill through for tax cuts because they're never getting this chance anymore come 2020.
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They'll probably lose the House in 2018 at this rate.
 
Hierophant said:
yeah see republicans don't care about if you act dignified or not because they are not beholden to such rules, they play dirty and win constantly

to continue to try and act dignified and lose in an extremely dignified manner is just a failure to every single american who would be helped by dem policies
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So we should hope for them to come to bodily/mortal harm? I never said the democratic party needs to play fair. I was commenting that people can still feel for this guy and his loved ones while also hoping he GTFO's of politics etc.
 
Hierophant said:
yeah see republicans don't care about if you act dignified or not because they are not beholden to such rules, they play dirty and win constantly

to continue to try and act dignified and lose in an extremely dignified manner is just a failure to every single american who would be helped by dem policies
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I'd rather take the high road and lose than stoop down at play in the mud. Once you stoop down to playing the mud, you're dirty, and it's not going to wash off. That being said, Democrats are just as dirty in some ways as Republicans are and more in others, and it's disnegous to say otherwise.
 
sersteven said:
So we should hope for them to come to bodily/mortal harm? I never said the democratic party needs to play fair. I was commenting that people can still feel for this guy and his loved ones while also hoping he GTFO's of politics etc.
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He already came to bodily harm and it wasn't fatal. Noting the irony that he's going to strip the privilege of surviving due to Healthcare and not feeling sorry for him isn't a bad thing to do.

If it was possible for every GOP senator and rep to get blood clots that are covered by surgery and result in a recovery which would lead to them embracing the ACA I'd take that trade. Or reversing their anti-climate change stance.
 
Pattycakes said:
I'd rather take the high road and lose than stoop down at play in the mud. Once you stoop down to playing the mud, you're dirty, and it's not going to wash off. That being said, Democrats are just as dirty in some ways as Republicans are and more in others, and it's disnegous to say otherwise.
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Unbelievable :/

I am so exhausted.
 
Pattycakes said:
I'd rather take the high road and lose than stoop down at play in the mud. Once you stoop down to playing the mud, you're dirty, and it's not going to wash off. That being said, Democrats are just as dirty in some ways as Republicans are and more in others, and it's disnegous to say otherwise.
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see thats wonderful for you who probably won't get affected by healthcare repeals and pretty much anything passed by the trump admin but for the millions of americans who will get affected, inaction due to some lofty and flawed sense of morality is doing them a great disservice
 
Pattycakes said:
I'd rather take the high road and lose than stoop down at play in the mud. Once you stoop down to playing the mud, you're dirty, and it's not going to wash off. That being said, Democrats are just as dirty in some ways as Republicans are and more in others, and it's disnegous to say otherwise.
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Screw that. People's lives are literally on the line. Winning is more important than taking the high rode.
 
Pattycakes said:
I'd rather take the high road and lose than stoop down at play in the mud. Once you stoop down to playing the mud, you're dirty, and it's not going to wash off. That being said, Democrats are just as dirty in some ways as Republicans are and more in others, and it's disnegous to say otherwise.
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Are you kidding me?

Please tell me you're kidding me.

Millions are going to die because of this man and your biggest concern is getting little ethically muddy?

Go read a fucking history book. Lincoln. LBJ. Teddy Roosevelt. Ethically muddy men are the people who got America to the prominence it enjoys today. Your brand of "political gallantry" is a dumb fiction.
 
Kevinroc said:
They'll probably lose the House in 2018 at this rate.
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Exactly. They know time is against them and are trying to ram this through as quickly as possible, despite a really solid majority of their constituents don't want it.

The Republican Party are basically trying to gut the largest employer of people in rural areas and the health care of tens of millions of Americans. They're basically passing a bill that will kill rural communities and less wealthy Americans.

If people don't feel empathy of a mass murderer of American people, I don't blame because that's what the Republican bill essentially is right now.
 
Pattycakes said:
I'd rather take the high road and lose than stoop down at play in the mud. Once you stoop down to playing the mud, you're dirty, and it's not going to wash off. That being said, Democrats are just as dirty in some ways as Republicans are and more in others, and it's disnegous to say otherwise.
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First of all, no.

Second of all, are you in life threatening or finance ruining danger if this bill is voted for? Or are you just another privileged person trying to lecture the oppressed on how their justifiable outrage is wrong.
 
Psychoward said:
First of all, no.

Second of all, are you in life threatening or finance ruining danger if this bill is voted for? Or are you just another privileged person trying to lecture the oppressed on how their justifiable outrage is wrong.
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Yes. My family is on the ACA, and my sister will likely die if the ACA is passed once her insurance maxes out with the new caps.
 
sersteven said:
So we should hope for them to come to bodily/mortal harm? I never said the democratic party needs to play fair. I was commenting that people can still feel for this guy and his loved ones while also hoping he GTFO's of politics etc.
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Noboding is hoping or wishing anything. The harm already happened, people just don't feel sorry for him. Because, you know, he doesn't fucking deserve it?
 
Pattycakes said:
Yes. My family is on the ACA, and my sister will likely die if the ACA is passed once her insurance maxes out with the new caps.
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Then I feel sorry for your sister since her sibling prioritizes acting sympathetic to a minor surgery from someone who is going to kill her.
 
If McCain were a normal soulless asshole instead of rich one who happens to be a senator, he would have died decades ago. I hope one way or the other he is no longer in the Senate by January.
 
Annnnnnnnnd it got delayed.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) announced Saturday night that the vote on Senate Republicans' ObamaCare repeal and replace bill would be delayed until a later date.

The news comes after Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) released a statement that he would miss this week's votes as he recovers from surgery.

"Elaine and I, along with the entire Senate family, wish John the very best and wish him a speedy recovery," McConnell's statement read. "While John is recovering, the Senate will continue our work on legislative items and nominations and will defer consideration of the Better Care Act."
 
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