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How come you're going to Billings in between Glacier and Yellowstone? Staying in Helena instead would shave off ~150 miles of driving, and the trip between the two parks is really beautiful. Generally the farther West you stay in Montana, the more scenic it's going to be.

Also, I'm about an hour outside of Yellowstone. If you're doing a $500 tip in the area I might want to stop by!

Ah, good question. There was a senior in high school who contacted me right at the beginning of all of this and wrote a very long e-mail. She was already involved in charity (she volunteers for the Ronald McDonald House) and her e-mail was just really touching. Anyway, I've kept in touch since then, and I always knew if I ever got to do this trip she's someone I wanted to make sure got to come along. She lives in Billings.

There is also a boy, Nathan, who wrote a great hand-written letter (he was 13 at the time I think) and sent some of his own money, which he asked his parents to match). So when I'm in Boston I'm bringing his family with me.

Well, I don't know if you could call the Alaskan cruise in September a "spot".

Paying for that part out of my pocket anyway, just because. Also, I won't be giving many tips (hopefully none) in the touristy areas. I added major cities because, well, that's what I know of having never been to the places. They are more "areas" than anything. That way I can survey and find places nearby, in outlying neighborhoods, or places that probably don't get big tips. Don't worry, I'm not going to Miracle Mile and Times Square to give away the money. :p
 
Guys: you will feel less upset about this if you stop thinking of this as as a charity and stop thinking of Seth as running an NGO. Trust me when I say that the inefficiencies are not lost on me.

I now think of this as an effort in consciousness-raising performance art, with a social-media twist. Thinking about it in those terms does not erase my doubts. But it does take the oomph out of my criticism and make me think that this is a reasonable-minds-can-differ issue.

Edited to add: also keep in mind that this is a passion project rooted in the death of a loved one. Let me say that again, incorporating what I said above, too. This is a consciousness-raising passion project inspired by Seth's loss and his brother's life. You might find it inefficient, but it would be a mistake to think that its financial inefficiencies were somehow a knock-down argument against Seth completing his vision. (Some people build memorials to their loved ones, and some people receive public funding to create those memorials. There are pretty stark "inefficiencies" there, too.)
 
I think we should all just shut up about it. The trip is happening and it's now all about finding him some couches and making sure he doesn't get killed or something.

And possibly getting him laid through all this. You guys offering your time and beers have a certain responsibility now.
 
Guys: you will feel less upset about this if you stop thinking of this as as a charity and stop thinking of Seth as running an NGO. Trust me when I say that the inefficiencies are not lost on me.

I now think of this as an effort in consciousness-raising performance art, with a social-media twist.

Thinking about it in those terms does not erase my doubts. But it does take the oomph out of my criticism and make me think that this is a reasonable-minds-can-differ issue.

If we can align the social coefficients and meld our efforts to create some synergy, I think we can all agree that what Seth is doing here is a great thing =)

But yeah, seriously, stop thinking of this as charity. All non-profits have expenses.
 
Best of luck! You'll be in Chicago in July, so make sure you visit some of the amazing neighborhoods in the southside and westside, not just Downtown or the northside. Pilsen is a great neighborhood.
 
It would be really great to join you in Indianapolis, if you are so inclined. I'd consider it a great honor, and I know the perfect place!
 
Guys: you will feel less upset about this if you stop thinking of this as as a charity and stop thinking of Seth as running an NGO. Trust me when I say that the inefficiencies are not lost on me.

I now think of this as an effort in consciousness-raising performance art, with a social-media twist. Thinking about it in those terms does not erase my doubts. But it does take the oomph out of my criticism and make me think that this is a reasonable-minds-can-differ issue.

Edited to add: also keep in mind that this is a passion project rooted in the death of a loved one. Let me say that again, incorporating what I said above, too. This is a consciousness-raising passion project inspired by Seth's loss and his brother's life. You might find it inefficient, but it would be a mistake to think that its financial inefficiencies were somehow a knock-down argument against Seth completing his vision. (Some people build memorials to their loved ones, and some people receive public funding to create those memorials. There are pretty stark "inefficiencies" there, too.)

I think this is a very nice way to look at things for those with reservations. This isn't Seth's quest to make the most efficient charity, it's a way to celebrate his brother's life and last wish, and let's not forget that even if you're driving home in a car, $500 makes a gigantic difference for someone who is being paid less than minimum wage and surviving on tips. I would end this by saying if you are seriously burned up about this, use that energy to go volunteer in your own community and make some good things happen. :)

I'd love to come along to the Columbus dinner, or if there's anything closer to the Dayton area on your way out.. :D As a matter of fact, I'd love to offer you our guest room if it doesn't take you out of your way. You know how to get in contact with us :)
 
Would be happy to meet up when you're finishing up the tour in Columbus, Seth.

I thought for a sec you'd be in Toledo when I saw the map, and I got excited, but then I saw Cedar Point, lol. Make sure to have fun there, Maverick is the best ride in the park. :)
 
I have a really long couch here in Richmond (just outside the city). You're more than welcome to it when you're coming through. We do have a cat, though.


Getting good food in Richmond is tricky. I've found a few really nice places, though. I'll try to get in touch with you when you're getting close to VA.
 
Definitely be cool to join you in DC, I'm in the Northern VA area right outside of there, we can get some DC Brau and give some lucky person a huge tip.
 
Guys: you will feel less upset about this if you stop thinking of this as as a charity and stop thinking of Seth as running an NGO. Trust me when I say that the inefficiencies are not lost on me.

I now think of this as an effort in consciousness-raising performance art, with a social-media twist. Thinking about it in those terms does not erase my doubts. But it does take the oomph out of my criticism and make me think that this is a reasonable-minds-can-differ issue.

Edited to add: also keep in mind that this is a passion project rooted in the death of a loved one. Let me say that again, incorporating what I said above, too. This is a consciousness-raising passion project inspired by Seth's loss and his brother's life. You might find it inefficient, but it would be a mistake to think that its financial inefficiencies were somehow a knock-down argument against Seth completing his vision. (Some people build memorials to their loved ones, and some people receive public funding to create those memorials. There are pretty stark "inefficiencies" there, too.)

I think you definitely have the right idea. After I received all of the initial donations, this is first and foremost a mission of love for my brother, that makes countless people happy and gives them joy. It's about leaving a wonderful legacy in his name. It's also for my mother. She always talks about how her sons have done this together -- part Aaron's wish, part my desire to do something greater in his name. It had helped her grieving process so very much.

Now that I get to travel around the country I'm looking forward to getting to spotlight cool and worthwhile places throughout the country. Sometimes it will be the awesome restaurant I find, or the random people I get to know in new communities, or the strangers I meet and bring to dinner with me. Other places I'll try to feature local non-profits to help create awareness for other people doing good things around the country. When I get to travel outside of Lexington, I always like to feature part of the community in the videos, and in this way hopefully give good people and movements some exposure.

Enjoy Baltimore, just be careful you don't turn the wrong corner and end up in shank city.

I have a friend in Pikesville so I'm honestly tempted to spend much of my tie there.

I have a really long couch here in Richmond (just outside the city). You're more than welcome to it when you're coming through. We do have a cat, though.


Getting good food in Richmond is tricky. I've found a few really nice places, though. I'll try to get in touch with you when you're getting close to VA.

Snagajob.com is based there and they are one of my sponsors, so I will probably lean on them to help with that decision. They may just order some pizzas delivered to their offices and I'll tip the delivery guy. We'll see. :)

It would be really great to join you in Indianapolis, if you are so inclined. I'd consider it a great honor, and I know the perfect place!

Definitely be cool to join you in DC, I'm in the Northern VA area right outside of there, we can get some DC Brau and give some lucky person a huge tip.

Consider it done. Send me a PM, please.
 
but the whole thing is just kind of gross and makes me cringe when I see the thread pop up. The fact that only a minority of the money is going to a random person now kind of says it all to me, much less what I think of the significance and impact of giving $500 to a random server in the first place.

What would you do to keep your brother's life and spirit connected to this earth a little while longer and a little bit stronger? If you've ever had a sibling pass away, I'm saying this in no disrespect, what did you do to honor him?

A gratifying experience, surely. But no one says it isn't gratifying, and being gratifying doesn't count for much.

Gratification counts for a whole lot if what you're seeking are the "good things."

Problem is, these arguments have been endlessly rehashed in previous threads and Seth has already defended himself countless times. At this point, it's just redundant. Those of us who have been there to see a tip given out know how amazing the experience is.

:)

You could have ignored the post instead of only shooting down part of the argument, thus legitimizing the rest.

I'd like you to talk to a friend of mine. Mr. Logic would like to see you at your earliest convenience. Seriously, that doesn't legitimize the rest. Not any more than ignoring the whole thing would legitimize it or offering rebuttal to the whole thing substantiate it.

Does everyone nag Wal-Mart about how they spend their profits?


He does have a point, Seth. :)

You want to know why this bothers people? Because the donors felt an itch to do something good after reading his story, and so they plunked down $50 or whatever. Maybe they will or won't give anything else toward charity this year, but we can pretty safely assume that this is $50 that definitely won't be going to another charitable cause, if it was going to go to one before this.

Actually, some of the waiters/waitresses who were tipped were charitable with the money they received in honor of Aaron.


But this story was on GAF, and it was so small in scope that donors could sort of witness the effects of their own donation and get gratification from that. So seeing the money going to a non-cause like this for that reason, this instead of any number of real desperate causes out there...well it sometimes feels evil instead of just stupid.

What exactly are you saying was small in scope? This "story?"

I don't doubt that 'the experience is amazing'. But when you're thinking about charity, you have to detach yourself from the momentary pleasures you gain from expenditures aimed at your own happiness. Instead, you should be thinking about the fields, victims, and patients that need really could use your help.

Think about where your donation would i) benefit society the most, ii) be utilized most effectively, iii) encourage change.

The "fields, victims, and patients" of, like, the sizable group of people who need help to pay the rent for where they lie down at night?

And there are so many problems in "society" that no charity is going to benefit society "the most." And, honestly, if you're wanting to examine "society's" problems, you need a LOT of resources to fix large-scale problems. No one person funds the American Cancer Society. No one person funds UNICEF. It's that hard-to-dissect notion that a successful group is made up of individuals who, on their own, cannot be successful. And each one has their own choice to make in the matter. People can see and empathize with Aaron; they feel the same about the people who work their butts off for others for a less-than-proportionate return. People are social creatures--we connect to others with similar ideals and become more productive. I, for one, would much rather have people productive in good deeds than bad ones.

You're going to be in Chicago on my birthday! For great beer and an arcade bar, go to the Emporium Arcade Bar.

This place sounds awesome. I must hit this up next time I'm in Chicago.

This is a consciousness-raising passion project inspired by Seth's loss and his brother's life. You might find it inefficient, but it would be a mistake to think that its financial inefficiencies were somehow a knock-down argument against Seth completing his vision. (Some people build memorials to their loved ones, and some people receive public funding to create those memorials. There are pretty stark "inefficiencies" there, too.)

I like what you're getting at here.
 
He does have a point, Seth. :)

Fair enough. But mostly because they don't treat their employees fairly. Better question - do we nag the local small business with one employee because he uses the profits from his book sales to buy a new sign for his shop, or invest it in marketing, or oh dear, to go on vacation? If so then I hope people spend some time looking inward, and I hope they aren't using any of their salary that doesn't go toward necessary bills and expenses (...profits...) for luxuries of any kind.
 
I'm just gonna wish Seth all the best with this trip. If all goes well, surely he can pull an Evilore and go around Europe too :p Or just Ireland, that'd be cool too.
 
I'm just gonna wish Seth all the best with this trip. If all goes well, surely he can pull an Evilore and go around Europe too :p Or just Ireland, that'd be cool too.

I did just do a radio interview in Ireland! We talked about how cool it would be to come give a tip there.
 
Late October is a good time for Austin. Mildly warm, sometimes the city is having a second Spring that lasts until December if there is enough rain.
 
By "50 states" did you mean "47 states"? Or am I missing something?

I've technically already left tips in 13 states, so to save time on the trip I'm not going back to Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana, Georgia, and Tennessee (all of which I've left multiple tips in already) to give myself a few days at home. When I'm done, I will have given a tip in all 50 states though.
 
The joys of travel on the dime of other people. This whole thread and concept creep me out. It smacks of self promotion. I'm one of the haters. This is such a colossal waste of money that could have easily gone to something truly great.

Your brothers last wish was to give a huge tip to a server. Congrats. If you were humble and not interested in self promotion you'd stop posting and doing radio promotion. This ends with you making money. Spin it anyway you want but you will take a profit here. You've already said as much in regards to your indiegogo store front.

If you were being honest and humble you'd just do this without all the videos and internet hoopla. I've been searching for a word to describe this and that word is tacky.

How does anyone even know if this was truly your brothers last wish or just some BS. I believe there were initially a couple of shady things that surrounded this but I can't remember.

Do the right thing. Scrap your trip. Spend your money to help someone save their home, save their lives by covering their chemo, putting a kid who can't afford college in college. Not this.
 
I've technically already left tips in 13 states, so to save time on the trip I'm not going back to Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana, Georgia, and Tennessee (all of which I've left multiple tips in already) to give myself a few days at home. When I'm done, I will have given a tip in all 50 states though.

Ahhh, I see. Seems silly not to hit them all while you're on this cross-country jaunt, but best of luck in your travels.
 
OP.

You are skipping Buffalo, NY. Why.

Stop by while you're driving through and I'll treat you to a beer and the best burger or best wings you've ever had :)

edit: Otherwise, have fun :)
 
I think this is a very nice way to look at things for those with reservations. This isn't Seth's quest to make the most efficient charity, it's a way to celebrate his brother's life and last wish, and let's not forget that even if you're driving home in a car, $500 makes a gigantic difference for someone who is being paid less than minimum wage and surviving on tips. I would end this by saying if you are seriously burned up about this, use that energy to go volunteer in your own community and make some good things happen. :)

I'd love to come along to the Columbus dinner, or if there's anything closer to the Dayton area on your way out.. :D As a matter of fact, I'd love to offer you our guest room if it doesn't take you out of your way. You know how to get in contact with us :)

yea seriously. This. Also a 500 dollar tip could be a week or two weeks worth of tips for a lot of restaurants.

For those arguing the money could be used better, people obviously wanted to donate to this cause, as long as it was stated up front, i dont see the problem. No on forced them to do it, and no giving to charity is not some difficult task, nor does it need to be long and drawn out.

Seth C said:
Thanks so much for the offer. My sister is near Houston (in Conroe) and we've already given a tip there, but I can probably at least find some time to hang out if you want. You do have a Flying Saucer, and that's hard to pass up!
damn sorry I missed that. What restaurant did you go to?

I'd be happy to meet you at flying saucer, theres one near my house in Sugarland. That or Austin isnt too far and we go several times a year.
 
The joys of travel on the dime of other people. This whole thread and concept creep me out. It smacks of self promotion. I'm one of the haters. This is such a colossal waste of money that could have easily gone to something truly great.

Your brothers last wish was to give a huge tip to a server. Congrats. If you were humble and not interested in self promotion you'd stop posting and doing radio promotion. This ends with you making money. Spin it anyway you want but you will take a profit here. You've already said as much in regards to your indiegogo store front.

If you were being honest and humble you'd just do this without all the videos and internet hoopla. I've been searching for a word to describe this and that word is tacky.

How does anyone even know if this was truly your brothers last wish or just some BS. I believe there were initially a couple of shady things that surrounded this but I can't remember.

Do the right thing. Scrap your trip. Spend your money to help someone save their home, save their lives by covering their chemo, putting a kid who can't afford college in college. Not this.
He compared himself to Walmart. Nobody cares what a for profit business does with their money. People don't enjoy seeing their charity money spent on non essentials.
 
When you're around in Salt Lake City I'll send you a message and see if I can offer help/suggestions. I work downtown, so I'm quite familiar with it.
 
What would you do to keep your brother's life and spirit connected to this earth a little while longer and a little bit stronger? If you've ever had a sibling pass away, I'm saying this in no disrespect, what did you do to honor him?
Him using his brother's name to solicit donations, and you using his brother's name to defend him/attack me is gross. We are past his brother's wishes at this point.

I've had two brothers die. I never used their death to solicit donations to fund an inefficient 6-month trip to the most interesting travel destinations in the U.S., including an Alaskan cruise.
 
Him using his brother's name to solicit donations, and you using his brother's name to defend him/attack me is shameful. We are past his brother's wishes at this point, so fuck off with exploiting it.

I've had two brothers die. I never used their death to solicit donations to fund an inefficient 6-month trip to the most interesting travel destinations in the U.S., including an Alaskan cruise.

Sorry to hear about your brothers, but I would think you should understand grief is personal. Everyone deals with it in a different way. The Alaskan cruise is out of his own pocket, not from the funds raised. It would be one thing if he was fleecing people, but this is money donated from people who came into it with their eyes open and the whole process has been very transparent. So no one is going to say "WAIT A MINUTE THIS ISN'T WHAT I PAID FOR"
 
Him using his brother's name to solicit donations, and you using his brother's name to defend him/attack me is shameful. We are past his brother's wishes at this point, so fuck off with exploiting it.

I've had two brothers die. I never used their death to solicit donations to fund an inefficient 6-month trip to the most interesting travel destinations in the U.S., including an Alaskan cruise.


Bravo sir. Hawaii too.
 
Sorry to hear about your brothers, but I would think you should understand grief is personal. Everyone deals with it in a different way. The Alaskan cruise is out of his own pocket, not from the funds raised. It would be one thing if he was fleecing people, but this is money donated from people who came into it with their eyes open and the whole process has been very transparent. So no one is going to say "WAIT A MINUTE THIS ISN'T WHAT I PAID FOR"
Asking for any money to fund your trip when you're also buying a cruise, is effectively the same thing as asking for money to fund your cruise.

But hey, it's not like we ask Wal-Mart what they do with their profits.
 
Ahhh, I see. Seems silly not to hit them all while you're on this cross-country jaunt, but best of luck in your travels.

If funds and time were infinite, I'd fully agree with you. Every day I spend on the road incurs fuel expenses and food expenses. An extra 1,000 miles of road racks up $130 in fuel plus I have to feed myself for an extra two weeks, and find 5 extra places to stay. As I'll be couchsurfing, searching for hosts will absorb quite a bit of my free time. Doing it for very short stays becomes a huge time sink.

On a personal level I've been to all of those states dozens of times in my life so there is no sight-seeing motivation. In much the same way, I'm moving through LA as fast as possible because I've been there many, many times (but it is at least right along my path and I have friends to stay with). But more importantly I'm already going to be giving 45-50 tips on the trip as it is. That's $25,000. Before the start of the trip I will have given another $25,000. The amount I have to give isn't infinite. Adding those states back means another $2500 given in tips. Do I really choose to give a fifth tip in Georgia (I've already given four there) instead of giving a second in Texas or California? Those were decisions I had to make.

Also, I wasn't going down to Florida at all originally but TWO people (one in Tampa, one in Miami) otherwise I wasn't even making that trip down there. Prior to that I was kipping the entire southeast, as I'd made a previous road trip through all of those states specifically to give $500 tips (paid for from my own pocket, for the record).

OP.

You are skipping Buffalo, NY. Why.

Stop by while you're driving through and I'll treat you to a beer and the best burger or best wings you've ever had :)

edit: Otherwise, have fun :)

It's not a marker on the map but if you check the calendar I did add Buffalo by shaving a day or two here and there from other locations!
 
Asking for any money to fund your trip when you're also buying a cruise, is effectively the same thing as asking for money to fund your cruise.

But hey, it's not like we ask Wal-Mart what they do with their profits.

seth was/is an IT manager, i'm sure he can afford to buy himself a cruise. Also, people are very capable of separating their money. Business owners do it all the time.

damn, that was quick.
 
:O
I'm so jealous, you get to go to E3 & tour the USA & give out free money!
Sorry about your loss, I don't even that :/

I also dont enby all of that driving. Holy hell
 
Him using his brother's name to solicit donations, and you using his brother's name to defend him/attack me is shameful. We are past his brother's wishes at this point, so fuck off with exploiting it.

I've had two brothers die. I never used their death to solicit donations to fund an inefficient 6-month trip to the most interesting travel destinations in the U.S., including an Alaskan cruise.

I'm sorry for your loss, but you're in no place to dictate or declare what is 'past his brother's wishes. I imagine, with the loss you've suffered, you would take such a statement from someone else to be incredibly insulting, to say nothing of being wildly inappropriate. Also, sorry, caught your post before your edit.

That's 3 people so far who've had to take some time off. The matter of whether or not you think Seth is being 'efficient' with his goodwill is closed. There will be no more discussion of the nature in this thread.
 
Let me know when you're in Seattle.

I absolutely will. Hopefully when I start bumping this thread (I'll link to new updates in the first post) about where I am, some of you will jump in and let me know you're in places I'm headed soon. Otherwise it may be a bit hard to track who is where 3 or 4 months out.
 
I was going! Then my friend told me I just had to see Santa Fe. Is he wrong?

Not really. Santa Fe is a bit more interesting culturally. Albuquerque is a nice town, but nothing aside from the tramway to really feel like you should see there.

Go Lobos!
 
I did just do a radio interview in Ireland! We talked about how cool it would be to come give a tip there.

Really? With what station? Also, that would be awesome, wherever you would give it I'd definitely make the trip for the chance to meet you and see it in person. In fact, that'd be a good excuse to get a meet-up of Irish gaffers, hehe.

I'm sure your brother would be amazed at the great work you've done in this already, not to mention what you're talking of doing. Kudos, Seth. Not many would go this far.
 
OP.

You are skipping Buffalo, NY. Why.

Stop by while you're driving through and I'll treat you to a beer and the best burger or best wings you've ever had :)

edit: Otherwise, have fun :)


He's not! Check out the beer places I recommended on page 1.

Grover's would be an awesome place for burgers and a tip.
 
I live in Upstate NY near Cooperstown which it looks like you are skipping by hopping up north to the Adirondacks, lol. Not that I blame you there's beautiful scenery up there but if you change your mind and find yourself in this area I'd love to accompany you to Brewery Ommegang in Cooperstown.
 
Everyone is thinkin it your just sayin it. I just wish you would have started with this over the sarcastic comment of your first post.

Not everyone is thinking it. Kudos to speaking honestly, but people supporting Seth are speaking honestly as well.

There are always going to be better ways to spend money and time; one cause may not be as impactful as another, one charity may go for something some don't agree with, another charity may have more overhead than desired. That doesn't take away from the sincerity behind the backers or Seth for doing this. While typing your posts you could have used these precious minutes to help build a habitat for humanity house; if you go out for a beer you could've had a water and used the savings towards an animal shelter, etc. etc.

It's ok to be cynical and skeptical, but don't act like you know whether his brother would be less or more proud if he had stopped at a single tip. Several workers are being helped immensely by this, and if it means a guy can get funded by a community and take 6 months off work to help others then I think it's great.
 
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