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[TheLight]

i still remember that case in NYC where there were 5 dudes and the cops came at them HARD and their faces were all over the news and then a cellphone tape surfaced and she admitted that she made the story up because she didn't want her boyfriend to think badly of her...

My worst fear.

 

[Spongebob]

I wonder how common this actually is...

 

[davepoobond]

lesson to learn is to record all sexual encounters

 

[casabolg]

Exactly. Set a precedent so this shit wont happen as often.

It would be called sexist. We used to have gun crimes charged up to 10 years but at the time most gun crimes were from the black community so it was lessened to 5 because otherwise it was considered racism. 40 years for an accusation would get called sexism SO HARD YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE.

 

[WanderingWind]

The particular topic infuriates me too much to warrant any further effort than the aforementioned.

I see enough of this bullshit on other places of the internet, I don't like seeing it on GAF. It's fuel for those with a vendetta against the opposite sex because they can't hold themselves responsible for the fact they're terrible people in the first place.



Don't even try and compare them. Most women constantly live in a state of heightened stress, or at the very most, fear because of how men commonly and on a daily basis act and treat them. I'm ashamed daily when I hear from friends or read on the internet about the creepy shit men will do on a daily basis - it's about time most of us actually became AWARE of just how fucked up males in general can be. You think telling a woman you hardly know that she's hot is cool? You think staring at her on a bus is cool? Think again. Women don't exactly go around feigning rape at the drop of a hat, hell as mentioned, most women will barely even REPORT an actual rape in the first place.

To be clear: I'm in complete favour of the posters reminding men to not be fuckwits, because it's reached the point where we as a society NEED TO BE TOLD to wise the fuck up and show some respect.

*drops mic*

Jesus Christ. You're doing exactly what we always mock hardcore MRAs for - coming into a discussion with a real example of an issue and trying to make it about everything but the actual victim. Which happens to be a dude in this case. Want to find the actual horrible people spouting bullshit on GAF? Pick up your fucking mic and find a mirror.

 

[TAJ]

Jesus Christ. You're doing exactly what we always mock hardcore MRAs for - coming into a discussion with a real example of an issue and trying to make it about everything but the actual victim. Which happens to be a dude in this case. Want to find the actual horrible people spouting bullshit on GAF? Pick up your fucking mic and find a mirror.

Two dudes.

What's really weird is that he's dealt with this personally, but he thinks he's a special snowflake.

 

[timetokill]

I dunno, I feel like murder might be a teensy bit worse.

Maybe.

I'm going to have to tread lightly here, but consider this:

A murder ends the life of a person. It affects them (obviously) and the people who know and love them. That said, it affects a fairly targeted, relatively small group of people.

A false rape accusation, on the other hand, affects the accused as well as affecting a much larger number of people.

If it's never exposed as a lie, the accused is sent to prison, their reputation is ruined, and it affects the people who know and love them in that they either now consider this person as a rapist, or they view them as incorrectly accused and their faith in the social fabric and justice system is shaken or destroyed.

If it is exposed as a lie, the accused may walk free but their reputation has still been dragged through the mud, and some may be suspicious of their true innocence. Meanwhile, it affects large swaths of men and women who now are more defensive and suspicious with regard to rape charges, and furthermore it affects men and women who have been raped because they're less likely to want to come forward in an environment of such suspicion. If the person went to jail before the lie was exposed, a false rape accusation can shake large groups of people's faith in the justice system and law enforcement as a whole.

I'm not attempting to downplay murder here, but I think there's an argument to be made that a false rape accusation IS in fact one of the worst things you can possibly do. I think it is, along with false accusations of any serious crime.

As a side note: this does not mean I think that if a person is acquitted of rape that the accuser should be faced with the harshest penalties we have. The burden of guilt is just as high going the other way, if you ask me -- you'd have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accusation was done with intent to harm or for personal gain, not as a mistake or simply not having enough evidence to find the other person guilty.

 

[AlexMogil]

lesson to learn is to record all sexual encounters

Well at least I'm safe I have zero recordings

 

[jaxword]

Well at least I'm safe I have zero recordings

This is the reason I'm a virgin too.

 

[malfcn]

 

[Jaffaboy]

Only 4 years? She should get the amount of time that those men would have got if they were convicted of rape.

It's a pretty interesting view. It's almost like attempted murder, you get a crap load of time for that. To falsely accuse someone of rape is like 'attempted ruin someone's life'. Although if a woman gets raped and the guy is found innocent, should she get tried? It's a tough case.

 

[Cyan]

It would be called sexist. We used to have gun crimes charged up to 10 years but at the time most gun crimes were from the black community so it was lessened to 5 because otherwise it was considered racism.

This sounds weird, but maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Can you be more specific as to what laws were changed and where?

Although if a woman gets raped and the guy is found innocent, should she get tried? It's a tough case.

No it's not. This is the easy version of the question: the answer is no.

Should a woman get tried for a crime when there's evidence she falsely accused someone? The answer here is probably yes, though there are obviously going to be knock-on effects on rape reporting.

 

[TheKaeptain]

People wonder why I always record when I get down.

 

[Blasty]

It's a pretty interesting view. It's almost like attempted murder, you get a crap load of time for that. To falsely accuse someone of rape is like 'attempted ruin someone's life'. Although if a woman gets raped and the guy is found innocent, should she get tried? It's a tough case.

Nope. The guy being found innocent doesn't mean that the women wasn't telling the truth.

 

[Vermillion]

My thoughts exactly.

 

[iSnakeTk]

fucking awesome. Hope that bitch rots in hell.

 

[-COOLIO-]

im going to make a consent form app

 

[Calamari41]

I mean, I would rather be falsely accused of rape than be murdered (though in the case of conviction it would be instant suicide), but I would much MUCH rather be falsely accused of murder than falsely accused of rape. At least in a murder trial, they have to actually prove that you did it. Flukes happen but for the most part there is SOME burden of proof that has to be met. In a rape trial, it's basically up to you to prove that you didn't rape the person. Just look at this case. It absolutely didn't happen, but if the video didn't exist, these guys would have been found guilty. The police pretty much come out and say it.

 

[Dastardly Jerks]

Jesus Christ. You're doing exactly what we always mock hardcore MRAs for - coming into a discussion with a real example of an issue and trying to make it about everything but the actual victim. Which happens to be a dude in this case. Want to find the actual horrible people spouting bullshit on GAF? Pick up your fucking mic and find a mirror.

I already said that in this particular case the opposite has happened, and even related to a potential threat I got, the rest was replying to a particular poster who implied that the original posters in Edmonton were off. It wasn't open-ended and asking for discussion.

 

[LiK]

justice

 

[No Love]

I hope the judge sentences her harshly, 10 years at least. This is disgusting. She could've ruined those guys' lives, and for what?

 

[Forceatowulf]

False accusations of rape is almost as low as you can go. What a fucking spit in the face it is to real victims of this shit. An absolute spit in the face...

4 years is not enough for this type of shit. But I hope she get's the max possible.

 

[Yagharek]

Nope. The guy being found innocent doesn't mean that the women wasn't telling the truth.

Precisely. You need to distinguish between cases of "insufficient evidence to prove guilt" and cases of "false accusations".

You have to prove it is a malicious and false accusation before there can be any sentencing of the liar. However, when someone is simply found "not guilty" it might just be there isn't enough evidence, or it's a case of he said/she said and impossible to prove one way or another (and that will also come down to jury members or the judge etc).

It's an incredibly complex and sensitive topic, which is why it is no doubt safer to only sentence those people who can be shown to be guilty at whatever the legal threshold is (be it for rape or lying about it).

Also, I agree that false accusations and rape should both be sentenced extremely harshly. Both are violations of a persons safety and security, and sadly there are many victims of both who never see justice.

 

[Kard8p3]

Nope. The guy being found innocent doesn't mean that the women wasn't telling the truth.

Actually, yes it does, hence the "innocent" part. The phrase you are looking for is being found "not guilty"

I know, semantics; but these are, imo, important semantics.

 

[Mudkips]

what about the other 92% that were assumed to be correct? without the video, this woman's story would not have been dismissed on mental illness, drug use, etc- just her word against his.

Exactly. There is no way to accurately quantify this, just as there is no way to accurately quantify the number of unreported crimes.

 

[ambientmystic]

Dave Chappelle was truly a visionary of his time, with a finger on the pulse of society.

Quite a number of his skits/social commentary actually still hold up to this very day, 10+ years after he conceived and produced them.

This is one of them.

On topic:- Let's stick to the individual, fellas. This is the horrible actions of one demented and misguided individual who should definitely be chastised and punished severely to the fullest extent of the law for what she did. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Lord Ghirahim]

I'm throwing water on the hypertension created by this that will, and can be no doubt, used by rape apologists for more bullshit misogynistic propaganda like what's happened in Edmonton lately.

Sure this is a case where it happens, and I've even been in a situation where someone has threatened to say I raped them, but some people in this thread are nearly one meter away from completely tar and feathering a complete gender.

Don't do "some people". It's extremely rude. Quote those people's posts please.

 

[The Adder]

Complains that:

but some people in this thread are nearly one meter away from completely tar and feathering a complete gender.

Then proceeds to say:

it's about time most of us actually became AWARE of just how fucked up males in general can be.

What an apropos screen name you have there.

 

[Yagharek]

Don't do "some people". It's extremely rude. Quote those people's posts please.

Complains that:



Then proceeds to say:



What an apropos screen name you have there.

Hehe, both of these fantastic quotes show up dastardly jerks for having a somewhat illogical thought process.

 

[Exclamation-One]

Dastardly Jerks, regardless of his/her gender, personifies why many men don't take feminism seriously.

 

[Joni]

See, this is why we need Google Glass. Instant proof.

 

[balddemon]

Edit:


Indeed! I don't like my good name being ruined.

shit. come hang out with me you dirty slut

 

[NinjaBoiX]

Truly one of the sickest, most damaging false accusations you could level at anyone. My god, why would you do this?

 

[Devolution]

Truly one of the sickest, most damaging false accusations you could level at anyone. My god, why would you do this?

A couple reasons. For some it's shame. This woman though who knows.

 

[bomma_man]

Was the video consensual? I'm assuming it was in this case, but it's an interesting legal issue in itself. Should secret filming of an otherwise consensual sex act be considered rape, sexual assault, something else, or nothing?

 

[perfectchaos007]

Having the consenting girl sign a sex contract won't solve anything. "He made me sign it before he raped me." is all she would have to say in that scenario.

Maybe just, and I know may come off as weird, record some footage before the sex occurs, just before the foreplay begins. If the girl is about to be raped then she would look tense and uncomfortable in that video. If consensual sex is about to occur, then she would look more relaxed and flirtatious.

Maybe this is a solution and maybe it isn't, but it is impractical I know.

 

[Devolution]

Was the video consensual? I'm assuming it was in this case, but it's an interesting legal issue in itself. Should secret filming of an otherwise consensual sex act be considered rape, sexual assault, something else, or nothing?

Secretly filming it can have disastrous consequences so I definitely wouldn't encourage people to do so.

Having the consenting girl sign a sex contract won't solve anything. "He made me sign it before he raped me." is all she would have to say in that scenario.

Maybe just, and I know may come off as weird, record some footage before the sex occurs, just before the foreplay begins. If the girl is about to be raped then she would look tense and uncomfortable in that video. If consensual sex is about to occur, then she would look more relaxed and flirtatious.

Maybe this is a solution and maybe it isn't, but it is impractical I know.

Um that's not always how rape works. She could be say no in the middle of proceedings while she looked happy and willing at the beginning of the tape.

 

[balddemon]

I really hope featheredkitten responds to my creepy drunk posts
http://i.imgur.com/5uZlwra.jpg
this is probably the wrong thread though.

 

[davepoobond]

Secretly filming it can have disastrous consequences so I definitely wouldn't encourage people to do so.

which is better: go down for rape or go down for video taping sex?

 

[perfectchaos007]

Um that's not always how rape works. She could be say no in the middle of proceedings while she looked happy and willing at the beginning of the tape.

turn off the camera and then turn on a voice recorder to set on the nightstand? Idk...

 

[OldKentuckyShark]

Hold on, it's pretty clear it was the boyfriend who beat the shit out of the guy, so why hasn't he been arrested? Or at least brought in for questioning. Do they not know who he is? It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to figure out.

 

[davepoobond]

turn off the camera and then turn on a voice recorder to set on the nightstand? Idk...

recording audio is typically illegal without a warrant or express permission. pertains to wiretapping laws.

"security cameras" in the bedroom would certainly be legal, even if you were having sex in there.

 

[shira]

Where's the pics?

http://www.encinahighschool.com/yearbooks/class2002/images/encinian2002.pdf

ctrl+F Jasmine Kurre

 

[Simplet]

From a previous thread, for those interested:


(original study can be found here)

Those are some really misleading numbers.

 

[balddemon]

http://www.encinahighschool.com/yearbooks/class2002/images/encinian2002.pdf

ctrl+F Jasmine Kurre

i'm pretty sure you're fucking with us, because ctrl+f doesn't work with anything i tried
at least not "jasmine kurre" "jasmine" or "kurre"

 

[Aiii]

Google Glass just might lower the number of rapes.

Fucking horrifying. I'm not fucking ANYONE without Google Glass. "Okay Glass, let's disprove that possible rape charge."

See, this is why we need Google Glass. Instant proof.

Yeah guys, good luck getting laid when you look like this:

 

[shira]

i'm pretty sure you're fucking with us, because ctrl+f doesn't work with anything i tried
at least not "jasmine kurre" "jasmine" or "kurre"

Works in chrome. idk dude - you can scroll down to the K's

edit: idk if that is a common name or what but it is Sactown.

 

[No Love]

Was the video consensual? I'm assuming it was in this case, but it's an interesting legal issue in itself. Should secret filming of an otherwise consensual sex act be considered rape, sexual assault, something else, or nothing?

Nothing. Its so contextual and subjective that you can't pick and choose when it's right and when it's wrong, so trying to make it into a "black and white" law is nigh impossible. What about filming privately due to cases like this, for legal protection? And what about if its in your own home for private use, whether it be legal protection or pleasure? And about it being viewed as sexual assault etc... if its that huge of an issue, women/men probably shouldn't fuck others of the opposite gender if they're the kind of person who might 'violate' their privacy in that fashion, or perhaps should only fuck people they trust?

See what I mean? Theres so many complexities to what you stated... massive can of worms IMO.

 

[balddemon]

Works in chrome. idk dude - you can scroll down to the K's

well, I can barely read this post, much less find the K's. so I'll just wait until tomorrow. thanks for the link I guess.

 

[jimi_dini]

Although if a woman gets raped and the guy is found innocent, should she get tried? It's a tough case.

What?
You mean in a situation where the rape was done by a stranger and the wrong person is accused instead of the real rapist? Otherwise that situation is not possible.

Ah you meant: "not enough evidence to convict him". Yeah, that makes sense - because there is not enough evidence to convict him and also not enough evidence to convict her. So sure in such case the victim shouldn't be tried of course. In this case, yes, she should get tried and put into prison or something like that. It's disgusting.