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jorma said:
I tried to imagine being raped by another man, and I honestly don't think i would report it. I have a feeling that it would be much easier to forget and move on with my life if i didn't.
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Not to mention that cultural stigmas that exist for women are far, far worse for men.
 
Featheredkitten said:
You're right, it should be easy for women to report rape, but I don't know that you're thinking about how different rape is from other crimes. Many, many women think it's their fault, or that no one will believe them, or that they will get called a slut and worse. Think about that poor girl who decided to have her rapist's baby(anyone have the thread link?).

Just put yourself in their shoes, would you report a rape? Most men won't (Here's hoping my assumption of your gender wasn't wrong).
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I do think it should be easy to report it and it should be encouraged, but I don't think it should be easy to put someone behind bars with no evidence aside from your own testimony.

To be honest, I'd rather have a rapist go free if it means that 10 innocents aren't locked up, than having that rapist go behind bars along with 10 innocent guys who now have their life ruined.

The system for it needs some revamping. I doubt that they even use specialized people to get the stories out of the victims and the accused and witnesses (who may not have seen the crime, but may have seen the way they interact). There's some people who are very skilled in it, so that it's incredibly hard to make up a bullshit story that makes sense and telling it as if it's actually happened.
 
s_mirage said:
The problem seems to be that the drive to reduce the perception of low conviction rates and victims not being believed has led to a persistent push for lower standards of evidence being accepted in rape cases. We are ending up with cases reaching court with next to no evidence and the testimony of the victim and accused being pretty much the entire case. This is counterproductive in the long run as it erodes faith in evidence based justice, and will only result in more genuine victims being viewed with immediate skepticism.
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Has it? I've seen plenty of people saying this or something similar. What are you guys basing this on? Are you folks attorneys, or do you work in some way for the courts or the police? I'd really like to know if this is reliable information, or just more cultural detritus.
 
The sad thing is that he probably would have gotten jail time had there not been the video. Just because a girl cried rape. I understand that it does happen, but when it doesn't (like here) and the girl claims it does shows just how screwed up our justice system is. She should get a lot more than 4 years. This could have ruined this guys life.
 
out0v0rder said:
did she have any alchohol? if she did then she wasn't able to provide consent right?
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If this were the case, and this being the line of reasoning we should accept, then no man should ever have sex with a woman who had been drinking that day. Went to a football game with your girl and she had a few drinks? She can't consent. Your wife or girlfriend had a glass of wine at dinner? She can't consent. The girl you met in English class and wants to hook up with you but played beer pong at your party that evening? She can't consent.

This is a horrible road to go down.
 
shira said:
Wasn't there a dude saving all the pics from the REALGaf-photo threads?
That was major creeparoo when he posted all the folders he had of individual members.
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You mean this?

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Sentry was working on a collage for real-pic GAF: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34598599&postcount=5101
 
Cyan said:
Has it? I've seen plenty of people saying this or something similar. What are you guys basing this on? Are you folks attorneys, or do you work in some way for the courts or the police? I'd really like to know if this is reliable information, or just more cultural detritus.
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You don't need to be a part of the courts system to see political pressure at work. Bear in mind that I'm British so when I'm talking I tend to be talking about the law here, not in the US.

One quick example: the attempt to remove the requirement of corroboration from Scottish law. This is a safeguard in Scottish law that requires that evidence must be corroborated, e.g. a single person's testimony would not be sufficient to bring a case to trial, there must be other evidence supporting the testimony. The Scottish government is in the process of attempting to remove this requirement, thereby lowering the amount of evidence required to bring a prosecution. So why are they doing this? While the report the spawned this proposal was a general review and was not focused on this aspect, and the proposal itself is only one part of a larger bill, the removal of corroboration was jumped upon by politicians and activists as a populist move to increase the number of rape convictions.

It will certainly increase the number of cases reaching court, but at what cost? As a layman I ask, is justice served by allowing the possibility of conviction of a heinous crime based on accusation alone?
 
Rape is one of the most screwed (no pun intended) up things in the court system. It's extremely hard to prove that someone was raped in most cases, and as a result it's guilty until proven innocent, which goes against what we stand by.

The whole thing is just fucked.
 
s_mirage said:
You don't need to be a part of the courts system to see political pressure at work. Bear in mind that I'm British so when I'm talking I tend to be talking about the law here, not in the US.

One quick example: the attempt to remove the requirement of corroboration from Scottish law. This is a safeguard in Scottish law that requires that evidence must be corroborated, e.g. a single person's testimony would not be sufficient to bring a case to trial, there must be other evidence supporting the testimony. The Scottish government is in the process of attempting to remove this requirement, thereby lowering the amount of evidence required to bring a prosecution. So why are they doing this? While the report the spawned this proposal was a general review and was not focused on this aspect, and the proposal itself is only one part of a larger bill, the removal of corroboration was jumped upon by politicians and activists as a populist move to increase the number of rape convictions.

It will certainly increase the number of cases reaching court, but at what cost? As a layman I ask, is justice served by allowing the possibility of conviction of a heinous crime based on accusation alone?
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Thanks, that's actually quite interesting. And that definitely doesn't seem like a good idea (though I'd want to see the report that they based this on, to decide for certain--in the US the actual reason for something like this would probably be to increase conviction rates and enrich private prisons, not sure on what basis they'd do this in Scotland). But it also isn't currently in force. Has something similar happened in the US, that would make the idea of a vast number of rape cases sailing through the courts on next to no evidence more plausible? (not necessarily addressed at you, as I'm looking more at the US side of things)
 
In other recent and related news..


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...y-accused-of-rape-saved-by-his-phone-app.html

Cab driver falsely accused of rape saved by his phone app


Mohammed Asif was left in tears in a police cell after Astria Berwick told officers he had carried out an assault on her in his cab.

But the 34-year-old eventually proved his innocence with a voice recording app he was using in his taxi because his CCTV was broken.

Berwick, of Bingham, Notts, was sentenced to 16 months in prison after admitting perverting the course of justice.

Nottingham Crown Court heard she had used Mr Asif's taxi on February 20, then called police to say she had been the victim of a serious sexual assault.

Judge Michael Stokes QC, The Recorder of Nottingham, said: "This was outrageous behaviour by the defendant against a wholly innocent man who had been saved by the recording on his phone."

Berwick had invented the story for "some unaccountable reason", he added.

Mr Asif, a father-of-two from Carlton, Nottingham, said the experience had torn his life apart, leaving him unable to face working again for a month, having problems sleeping and causing him to lose a stone in weight.

He said: "She changed my life. I'm completely different now. I'm scared to go out.

"I keep thinking, 'I just dropped her off, she was just a normal passenger, why has she done that?"

He said he felt "really lucky" he had switched on the app on the day of the alleged attack, as without it he believed he would now be on remand waiting to face trial.

He added: "If I ever met her again, although I don't want to, I'd just ask 'why?'"
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Technology saved his life.

The women's rights groups out there need to realize that its women like her who cause more harm than good. They should be more actively fighting against such issues than even male rights advocates.
 
Rockman.EXE said:
Ive been hit by that "leave stuff at your place to make you come out" tactic as well. I videoed a one night stand that i had years ago, she asked me to delete it but i just laughed in her face and ignored her.

girl then left in the morning and half an hour later she called because she "accdientally" left her keys at my place. She told me to come downstairs with her keys, as well as my phone. Of course being a total idiot i didnt know why exactly she wanted my phone but i brought it. When i arrived downstairs i saw she was now accomplained by two tall guys, who immediately grabbed the phone out of my hands and looked for the photos and video to delete. I was lucky that it was in the middle of the day and there were people around, or else im sure i would have been roughed up.

After they left i went back upstairs and recovered the photos using file recovery programs, but the video was corrupted :(
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all i gotta say is <3 Dropbox auto backup
 
Cyan said:
Has it? I've seen plenty of people saying this or something similar. What are you guys basing this on? Are you folks attorneys, or do you work in some way for the courts or the police? I'd really like to know if this is reliable information, or just more cultural detritus.
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You hardly need to work in a court room. Just follow the news. And at least over here, the full report from the trial is made available for the public afterwards and often get posted and discussed on the internet (if it's a special case). It's often quite interesting reading if you have a thing for that sort of thing (not only rape cases of course). Personally, I love reading through the investigations leading up to trials. Interrogation transcripts from interrogations with bank robbers are a personal favourite. ;)
 
In these cases, the the person making the false allegation should be given a sentence equivalent to what the suspect would have received, if he indeed committed the crime.
That would put an end to these scumbags.
Of course, there are genuine cases of rape where the suspects win the case and get off.
 
Liamario said:
In these cases, the the person making the false allegation should be given a sentence equivalent to what the suspect would have received, if he indeed committed the crime.
That would put an end to these scumbags.
Of course, there are genuine cases of rape where the suspects win the case and get off.
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No shit.
Why do we need to this caveat?
 
SlipperySlope said:
Rape is one of the most screwed (no pun intended) up things in the court system. It's extremely hard to prove that someone was raped in most cases, and as a result it's guilty until proven innocent, which goes against what we stand by.

The whole thing is just fucked.
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It really isn't how you think it is. Unless you've been through a rape case with a victim (I have), you really don't understand how hard it can be to prove it happened.
 
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