Necro and Sean aren't popular anywhere whereas characters like Alex, Ibuki, Dudley, and Q are overall popular characters among SF fans. I think if they add Q or Oro to SFV then essentially every SF3 character that was going to make the jump to 3D will already have.
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Necro and Sean aren't popular anywhere whereas characters like Alex, Ibuki, Dudley, and Q are overall popular characters among SF fans. I think if they add Q or Oro to SFV then essentially every SF3 character that was going to make the jump to 3D will already have.
They did use Sean in the story (as well as him getting a new voice in both languages), so he's probably at least in line to be made playable in one of the later waves.
Baleoce
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I'm pretty sure that ending to his reasoning is a strawman as well.
I mean, at least be consistent. So you're saying you've heard a few people from some scenes saying that? I'm not sure how that's relevant in the overall scheme of things. Is he presenting this discussion of people having wanted Alex back as an entire FGC wide thing, or is he just talking about the people he knows coming out and saying these things? Because if it's anecdotally talking about the latter, it's not really relevant to the games overall audience.
I mean, at least be consistent. So you're saying you've heard a few people from some scenes saying that? I'm not sure how that's relevant in the overall scheme of things. Is he presenting this discussion of people having wanted Alex back as an entire FGC wide thing, or is he just talking about the people he knows coming out and saying these things? Because if it's anecdotally talking about the latter, it's not really relevant to the games overall audience.
SneakersSO
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Playable? Ehhh. I dunno. On the list of characters that need to be made, Sean is one of the last ones on that list. Considering the fanbase for them, guys like Akuma, Sagat, & Sakura need to be made before we even begin discussing Sean. Then we have the Dan vs. Sean discussion that needs to be made.
Nah, ever since character speculation returned with SFV there has been a backlash against 3s. I understand some of it and see it like Valle.
But in the end all that matters is how they play in the game. They could do all sorts of things with Necro for example, I would never condemn a character out right.
I think he's on the bubble. He's a little more popular than characters like Remy, Twelve, and Necro but he's a Shoto in a game that already has two and will definitely have Akuma and Sakura in the future. However, if this game gets a SF4 amount of characters then I can see Sean taking Dan's place.
Sean isn't really a shoto.
spazchicken
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I mean, he has a point. Sean is a Dan clone and nobody wants Necro or that other one who looks just like him, back.
He's as much a shoto as Sakura and Dan are.
Stallion Dan
Member
So they don't have to give her out free my guess. But them being free for now was meant to make up for the current shitshow so...
Well, they also don't have any means to sell them yet...
Then he's whatever word you want to use for the archetype that Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Dan, Sakura, Gouken, Evil Ryu, Oni, and Sean fall under.
And if you want to say "Sean isn't a Shoto because he can't use a Hadoken without super meter" then I'd say Gouken isn't a Shoto either because his Shoryuken is locked by meter. And I haven't heard people make that argument.
I also think Sagat will be put on the back burner because his past iterations are a little too Shoto-y.
He said a lame ass character like Sean
Sean is such a lame character. From moveset to character design. Yellow Karate Gi and similar looking normals like every other shoto. Then the moves are just a generic mish mash, a wheel kick, a poor man's Shoryuken and the triple kick. The only cool looking move was the tackle grab. His Supers were also lame.
I hope Capcom don't listen to this loud minority of fans but characters like Sean, Remy, Q, Twelve and Necro are better off forgotten. I would prefer new characters or popular ones from Alpha and 2 to return with a few shake ups with their moves and designs.
Reizo Ryuu
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There are also voices for the dolls, eliza and that random cop with dhalsim
spazchicken
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I think all new characters should have a trial period after the store is launched. Free for 24 hours after you select them with the option to purchase any time.
I'm so glad Alex and Guile were free for now because at least now I know for sure that I don't like either one of them.
To be fair, we always get characters from II & Alpha. Hell, all of the veterans in the base roster of SFV were either II or Alpha. It wouldn't hurt to pull more from III & IV.
90TilInfinity
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Balrog was 49th in that huge SF character poll from back in 2013. In a post-Necalli/Laura world, would he even make top 50?
Jawmuncher
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Q needs to come back at least once
CountBlack
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my favourite character is better than your favourite character
Capcom's logic is that the SF2 characters are popular with a larger, casual fanbase of Street Fighter and they likely didn't vote on that online poll. Plus, people (understandably) voted for characters that hadn't been seen in awhile.
Which is why I don't get the "SFV was specifically designed for the hardcore" audience. If that were true the game would have launched with SF3 characters and less SF2 ones.
spazchicken
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lol He got up in your face on that one.
I agree with him but if ya'all got beef, you know you can take it outside (SFV).
Set up a lobby and somebody record it.
Just don't let him talk about your moms like that anymore...that was uncalled for.
So? SF's hardcore base has shit taste, we know this. Urien was fairly low ranked as well, with even Blanka being rated higher. How is that indicative of a character's quality? The people who do these polls aren't even the mainstream audience, so it's not really indicative of overall popularity either. The internet will just vote up cool guys and cute school girls, but a roster full of them would be empty and dull.
Laura would probably be rated highly on an online poll, but what has she brought to the SF series? There isn't a single original thing about her character, and absolutely nothing she adds to the franchise that other characters don't provide. Meanwhile F.A.N.G is arguably one of the greatest characters to be added to a fighting game franchise in the last decade, but he'd surely rank lower than Laura would in a popularity poll. A character as a original as F.A.N.G, with a backstory that reveals actual depth, losing to a nothing character like Laura says all that would need to be said about popularity polls.
I'd only want Necro over Dhalsim. No other character, though.
DR2K
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My favorite character made it in the core roster. So she's automatically the best.
Reizo Ryuu
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because she's in school?
SneakersSO
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Don't worry, her Ninja get up which teases she isn't wearing any panties will most likely be her story costume that is unlocked by beating her story prologue.
As for the school girl outfit - she's still a HS student at the time SFV takes place. She graduates HS in SF3, which takes place after SFV. So, this makes sense. Yes, I know SF4 takes place before it, but they didn't give any fucks about continuity then. They still mostly don't, but this is their justification for things.
90TilInfinity
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Your first argument was about "people being hyped" for whatever. Then it was about a "loud minority". My bad for assuming you were on what would go down well (i.e. "popularity") rather than just your opinion being worth more than everyone elses, I guess. Carry on.
It actually seems like they give more of a fuck about continuity now, even going as far as to clean up some of the continuity errors (namely the hot mess known as the Alpha timeline, with Charlie's story establishing his Alpha 2 death as the canon one). Better than nothing, I suppose.
I do think that at times people try to jump on the "I always liked SF III" train to get some points but when you go in-depth with them they show a lack of understanding of the game and seem to have just been following the hype. There's nothing wrong with liking a game even if you don't have full understanding of it but when you go on about how it was so much better than IV it makes you look bad IMO.
The reason why it's frustrating to some is that it seems online popularity can decide which characters come and then when the character is finally released they're not touched at all and everyone goes back to Chun and Ryu.
The reason why it's frustrating to some is that it seems online popularity can decide which characters come and then when the character is finally released they're not touched at all and everyone goes back to Chun and Ryu.
Reizo Ryuu
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I owned third strike on dreamcast but I was never really into it imo, I had a much better time playing mvc2/cvs2
So she fights in a skirt? Or is it so that we can see her underwear every time she supers or jumps?
Justification: So we can see her underwear like most of the female cast.
Reizo Ryuu
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both?
And only from 09ers. But they sure do put in work while simultaneously complaining about the mechanics of SFV and how boring life is without FADC, invincible backdashes and ez mode jab starters.
He doesn't play anything like Dan, though. No fireball, has a target combo, has an overhead, etc. And at least a few people (myself included) have felt from beta 1 that Necro would be a perfect fit for this game.
Far st mk, st hp, f+hp, st hk (which they gave to Ryu in SFV, so lame!), f+hk.
For some reason I don't see people saying Guy is lame, red gi, mish mash move set that's a ninja version of Vega with a hurricane kick, the only cool looking move was the raging demon ripoff. Honda is lame, generic fat sumo, mish mash move set of Alex and Chun Li but worse, his super is literally his special move repeated. Sagat is lame, another fireball uppercut character Why is it the SF4 diehards here are the only ones who passionately make up reasons to dislike characters? You can stop at saying you don't like the design without fabrication.
So your taste is what matters, right? lol man... you guys.
Except as I proved in the previous page, that's not the case with SFV (at least as pertains to Chun, had Alex been released at the same time it's likely he would be ahead of her in usage by now). I think...no, I know we actually see more of the opposite: people who want to get points by saying "I hate SF3" on NeoGaf. And then when you go in-depth with them they show a lack of understanding of the game, if not a complete lack of familiarity (see multiple examples above).
SneakersSO
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Yeah, I mean, the fact that we're getting a cinematic campaign (potentially this weekend, if the WSO guy is to be believed and Ibuki really has only been delayed 4 days) relatively soon shows that Capcom does in fact care more about its story continuity now than it has before. I know its not gonna be some of the best stuff out there, but establishing some direction for this stuff is probably a really good idea. And, i'm excited to see some of the characters we may get introduced. Like that Shadowloo kid Balrog introduced & that Nash encounters in this game.
SneakersSO
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Karin fights in a skirt & we don't see her underwear when she jumps/flips/whatever. Skirts don't automatically equal panty shots; they just mostly do.
We also see some underpants on the male cast too. Dem gief trunks.
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Damn double post.
I said this before he was released.
deadscreensky
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Yeah, it's kind of funny after SF5 bombed as badly as it did that anybody is still pretending the elite FGC speaks for the larger Street Fighter fanbase at all. They're talking about a small FGC clique, and they're possibly correct there, but in terms of numbers that's like nobody so who cares?
FWIW I could never get into Alex previously, but he's looking like my second main in SF5.
To be fair, Karin had bicycle shorts in Alpha 3 & leggings in SFV.
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My favourite characters are better than your favourite characters!
Good Job Bob
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Alex is the character who gets the crowd the most hype at tournaments when he is played at a high level.
Logan Sama let slip that the delay is only 4 days.
https://twitter.com/winnerstayson/status/737600347112247296
https://twitter.com/winnerstayson/status/737600347112247296
Yet no one brought up melanin levels, smh.
CountBlack
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I'm pretty sure everybody likes at least one "unpopular" character, be it Eagle, Sodom, Hakan, etc. Heck, nobody gave a crap about Mika before SFV. I love seeing those kinds of characters come back, it's the next-freshest thing to a brand new design. As long as it's never, ever El Fuerte.
Agreed. I'd really like to see more of them.
Makoto (If that wasn't obvious) Dudley, and Oro would be great. Hugo too if they're willing to make him not look like a doofus.
I actually do think we'll get Sodom at some point though. Only alpha character to not return at this point.