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JdFoX187 said:
I think the testimonials from the people who hace ACTUALLY PLAYED the game speak differently. I haven't personally been able to get into the Beta, but I've heard it's really fun. And the impressions from people on here seem to back those claims up. I think this rumored demo will help spur things a lot as well. If people actually get their hands on the game and try it out, and enjoy it, it might sell decently. I don't think anybody in their right mind will consider this a million seller dark horse like Crackdown, but I can see it doing fairly decent.
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The vast majority of press and impressions have been very positive. (See Tycho's impressions at PA, for example.) However, most (but not all) of the negativity in the IGN article is aimed at the PC version of the game, and we haven't had much press on that version yet. It's well established that a good console game does not equal a good PC game, and vice versa. The universal reaction to the PC controls in general and menu interface in particular have been terrible.
 
I'm still waiting until I play the demo before I say much more. There are too many people that have an agenda with this game to trust early reviews. PnP Shadowrun fanboys / Microsoft haters are going to nitpick it to death and bored 360 users are going to overhype it (See: early PDZ reviews).
 
GhaleonEB said:
The vast majority of press and impressions have been very positive. (See Tycho's impressions at PA, for example.) However, most (but not all) of the negativity in the IGN article is aimed at the PC version of the game, and we haven't had much press on that version yet. It's well established that a good console game does not equal a good PC game, and vice versa. The universal reaction to the PC controls in general and menu interface in particular have been terrible.
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I figured that when undertaking something of this magnitude, one or the other would suffer. I think they optimized the Xbox 360 version more considering it'll have the much larger base than the PC version will. I was simply saying that this board is unfairly attacking Shadowrun simply because it's not the RPG that they wanted it to be. And anybody that defends it is accused of being a plant or a viral marketer. I'm willing to give the game a chance and I've never played it before. But that could be because I was never interested in the Shadowrun universe before. I went through last week and read all of the Wikipedia data on it and the universe is fantastic. I think this could really open the Shadowrun universe up for later games.
 
KyanMehwulfe said:
About how much wider is the accuracy zone than DOD:S? I've been playing it recently again. For standing still, walking, and running, preferably. How about when you spin fast; I heard it cripples that action as a whole a lot since the mouse has such a twitch advantage there.

I'd genuinely still like to find something in the game to give me a reason to play it since I could use a new FPS until Quake Wars arrives, but for every positive I finally garner (the last was the minigun; I love the throttle feel of that sort of weapon a la RtCWolfenstein), I hear something about the PC gameplay that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
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Overall, DOD:S is pretty accurate. But compared to original DOD ... notsomuch.

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What you are looking at are 10,000 shot spread patterns for both games. The spray pattern is no bigger than the crosshairs on your screen (about the size of a dime) This is in a standing position firing at about 50 yards (or across the courtyard in Avalanche). Recoil was turned off. So, these are true shots.

When you are an SMG, it's not a big deal, because more often than not your shot will hit where you are aiming. You own't even notice a few errant shots. But when you are a rifleman, and you have to reload/reaim after each shot .. it's a HUGE deal. One "WTF shot?" and you are dead.


That's why I quit playing DOD:S. I guess someone made a mod that installs the DOD spread for DOD:S ... but I could care less anymore.
 
The Miami Vice photos and 13% female workforce are compelling features but what is an "opaque channel" game?
 
JdFoX187 said:
Just because the egotists on this board have put up a Chinese Wall against this game doesn't mean it won't be accepted by the public.
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Egotists? Man, MS basically took a shit in the fruit loops of every Shadowrun fan out there with this title. Is it now being an egotist to resent the creation of a game that pretty well slaps a favorite franchise in the face in response to public outcry for a legitimate installment?

I personally hope this game is as big an outright flop as it can be and that the Shadowrun franchise is buried so deep in a vault we never see it again. If this is the best that can be done with it then I'd rather it be spared the abuse.

I have the same leery suspicion about Bethesda making Fallout 3. If its Oblivion with guns I won't even touch it and I love Oblivion. Thats not what Fallout is though and there is no way in hell I'm going to support a great and unique franchise being squeezed into whatever generic or en vouge formula developers might currently be churning games through.
 
JdFoX187 said:
And anybody that defends it is accused of being a plant or a viral marketer.
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Aside from the guy that has started 10 or more threads about the excruciating minutiae of this game, who has been accused of viral marketing?

Egotists?
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Doesn't make any sense. A "Chinese Wall" is created internally within an organization to prevent a conflict of interest, so that makes no sense either. I think he's just throwing out whatever sounds good.
 
Drek said:
Egotists? Man, MS basically took a shit in the fruit loops of every Shadowrun fan out there with this title. Is it now being an egotist to resent the creation of a game that pretty well slaps a favorite franchise in the face in response to public outcry for a legitimate installment?

I personally hope this game is as big an outright flop as it can be and that the Shadowrun franchise is buried so deep in a vault we never see it again. If this is the best that can be done with it then I'd rather it be spared the abuse.

I have the same leery suspicion about Bethesda making Fallout 3. If its Oblivion with guns I won't even touch it and I love Oblivion. Thats not what Fallout is though and there is no way in hell I'm going to support a great and unique franchise being squeezed into whatever generic or en vouge formula developers might currently be churning games through.
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I'll just quote Tycho again:

Tycho said:
Judging the game Shadowrun isn't might not be entirely constructive.
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http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/04/18

aka, it's a shooter, it was announced as such nearly a year ago. Get over it. :p
 
A Major League Gaming blog was updated, titled "The Beta Made Me a Believer". Of course referring to the Shadowrun Beta.

Too many action games rely on the same verbs. In other words, all you do is run, shoot, throw a grenade, and maybe drive a vehicle. In comparison, you'll almost need a small dictionary to describe all the actions in Shadowrun due to the sheer variety of actions that are possible in the game – Gamespot.com


The beta came to a close today. And it’s too bad. Despite only having two maps to play, it never got old. Many of us in the office are already looking forward to June so we can team up and start to enjoy the competition on Live Anywhere (the first opportunity to fight our PC brethren)...The above Gamespot quote fails to point out that all these new actions in Shadowrun serve to strengthen a fundamentally sound, fast-paced first-person shooter experience. Lying somewhere between games like Halo and Rainbow 6, Shadowrun rewards tactics and positioning (this is clear from the buy menu) while enabling fast-action crazy-clutch kills through the game's speed and the abilities given to players by magic and tech equipment. I had a great time predicting the advance of an enemy in the adjoining wall and then teleporting behind them to weaken them only to disappear as they were turning around. Team shooting, positioning, and all the basic elements that we see in great competitive titles exist in Shadowrun.


First-person shooter fans who give this game a chance will become enthralled...Once players start to figure out the game and teams begin to form, we are going to see a level of team play at which to marvel.
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The word enthrall seems popular when describing Shadowrun. Same word Tycho from Penny Arcade used.

This is a game that is going to live and die by its demo, because I honestly believe that if I were to put a shooter enthusiast in front of this thing, the polish, the loadout options, and the feel of it will get a hook in. As an abstract concept, the game has interesting ideas. As a genuine experience - where its quick rounds and area-of-effect resurrections make each map a roaring asylum - it enthralls.
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http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/04/18
 
I think using the Halo party system was a great idea. It's supports teams working together. The party system should allow teams to form and be rewarded for communication and tactics. Should make for some amazing matches.

And the beta proved very well balanced. No one seemed to find weapons, tech, magic, races etc, that were dramatically better than any others. Everything seemed to work well if used properly in coordination with your team. Good stuff. :)
 
The two maps available in the beta never did get old to me. I always had a good time, and it was one of those games where you'd keep swearing to yourself you'd turn it off after the next round but you couldn't stop. You really can't judge this game until you've played it. It was lots of FUN.
 
So...is someone going to make an "official" thread fo Shadowrun (seeing as it is coming out in 7 days or so) or is there just so much hate that people like me that are interested in the game hide in back alleyways? :)

I don't know about you guys, but I like the title of this one...so maybe this becomes the official unofficial Shadowrun thread. :lol
 
sk3tch said:
So...is someone going to make an "official" thread fo Shadowrun (seeing as it is coming out in 7 days or so) or is there just so much hate that people like me that are interested in the game hide in back alleyways? :)

I don't know about you guys, but I like the title of this one...so maybe this becomes the official unofficial Shadowrun thread. :lol
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I wanted to make one....but the consensus is that Brimstone has kinda reserved that right at this point.....
 
Have any early reviews come out for this game? When Crackdown came out I saw a few early reviews more than 2 weeks before the game even came out. At this point there were at least 10.

Why aren't there any Shadowrun Reviews out yet? It makes me think they are trying to hide something. Perhaps MS wanted to delay reviews so that they don't hurt sales??? SMH

*Shrugs shoulders* but I'm definitely not going to Pre-order it. Gotta get some reviews first.
 
Sylonious said:
Have any early reviews come out for this game? When Crackdown came out I saw a few early reviews more than 2 weeks before the game even came out. At this point there were at least 10.

Why aren't there any Shadowrun Reviews out yet? It makes me think they are trying to hide something. Perhaps MS wanted to delay reviews so that they don't hurt sales??? SMH

*Shrugs shoulders* but I'm definitely not going to Pre-order it. Gotta get some reviews first.
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It's an essentially online only game. Don't expect a quick review turnaround there.
 
Sylonious said:
Have any early reviews come out for this game? When Crackdown came out I saw a few early reviews more than 2 weeks before the game even came out. At this point there were at least 10.

Why aren't there any Shadowrun Reviews out yet? It makes me think they are trying to hide something. Perhaps MS wanted to delay reviews so that they don't hurt sales??? SMH

*Shrugs shoulders* but I'm definitely not going to Pre-order it. Gotta get some reviews first.
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Wheres the forza 2 scores aswell thats due out same day, i think your getting carried away mate.
 
I checked out a few gaming stores online today and it seems MS budged a bit on the pricing. It will go over the counter for 49 euro it seems here in the Netherlands and I guess in the rest of Europe.
 
oo Kosma oo said:
I checked out a few gaming stores online today and it seems MS budged a bit on the pricing. It will go over the counter for 49 euro it seems here in the Netherlands and I guess in the rest of Europe.
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Yeah, Amazon UK has it for £32.98 too, but I'm still going to resist temptation until we see some reviews.
 
oo Kosma oo said:
I checked out a few gaming stores online today and it seems MS budged a bit on the pricing. It will go over the counter for 49 euro it seems here in the Netherlands and I guess in the rest of Europe.
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I'll just wait a month until it's $20.
 
Drek said:
Egotists? Man, MS basically took a shit in the fruit loops of every Shadowrun fan out there with this title. Is it now being an egotist to resent the creation of a game that pretty well slaps a favorite franchise in the face in response to public outcry for a legitimate installment?

I personally hope this game is as big an outright flop as it can be and that the Shadowrun franchise is buried so deep in a vault we never see it again. If this is the best that can be done with it then I'd rather it be spared the abuse.

I have the same leery suspicion about Bethesda making Fallout 3. If its Oblivion with guns I won't even touch it and I love Oblivion. Thats not what Fallout is though and there is no way in hell I'm going to support a great and unique franchise being squeezed into whatever generic or en vouge formula developers might currently be churning games through.
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People are still whining about this? Are you yanking my sack here? Get a life and let it go.
 
I was in the shadowrun beta and the game certainly is a lot of fun. It takes a little getting used to, but once you get used to the different magic types, weapons, etc its a blast. That said, I will not pay full price for a multiplayer only game, no matter how good it is.
 
sableholic said:
I was in the shadowrun beta and the game certainly is a lot of fun. It takes a little getting used to, but once you get used to the different magic types, weapons, etc its a blast. That said, I will not pay full price for a multiplayer only game, no matter how good it is.
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so you weren't covered in semen then?
 
homez99 said:
Yeah, Amazon UK has it for £32.98 too, but I'm still going to resist temptation until we see some reviews.
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£29.99 on shopto.net

So will this have a singleplayer fragging tournament mode like Quake 3 Arena?
 
I think most of the complaining still centers around the price.

MS is selling a 30 to 40 dollar game for 60 dollars. The price needs to come down, but the only way that'll happen now is if the game bombs. Which is unfortunate, but ultimately necessary so MS gets a message to not overcharge from now on.
 
Mrbob said:
I think most of the complaining still centers around the price.

MS is selling a 30 to 40 dollar game for 60 dollars. The price needs to come down, but the only way that'll happen now is if the game bombs. Which is unfortunate, but ultimately necessary so MS gets a message to not overcharge from now on.
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It's a lose lose situation too, because if the game bombs then there won't be an online community. No onlline community, no reason to buy it.
 
Schafer said:
It's a lose lose situation too, because if the game bombs then there won't be an online community. No onlline community, no reason to buy it.
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I have no doubt that there'll be a community for this game. It's just it'll be a very hardcore community that are only playing the game because of the Shadowrun name.
 
cjelly said:
I have no doubt that there'll be a community for this game. It's just it'll be a very hardcore community that are only playing the game because of the Shadowrun name.
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The people who are interested in the Shadowrun name are the very people who are going to stay hella far away from this game.
 
It seems like a lot of my friends from the Shadowrun Beta are planning to buy the game day one. I'll still be waiting for the price drop.
 
I was in the Shadowrun Beta and it was fun. What will kill the game is that alot of console gamers are lazy and don't want to take the time to learn games with steep learning curves. In order to be successful it takes team work and little brain power. Halo might be fun, but any 4-year-old can pick up a controller and kill someone, not to mention the fact that one exceptional player can often crush a good team.

Mark my words, whether Shadowrun sells a lot of copies or not, it will have a following like Phantom Dust. The people who really hunker down and learn it will love it, and the people that just want to throw a couple of grenades and pray kills will be scared away.
 
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