Pixie gets a huge buff later on anyway.
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Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne's 13th Anniversary
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Pixie gets a huge buff later on anyway.
Woah woah woah! Really? people hated the fusion system of SMTIV? I love Nocturne and all but I really don't like its fusion system anymore after the ones used in the modern titles. I have my own personal preference in terms of how to do fusion, but the different search features and functions, then the direct purchasing of demons from compendium during fusion are among the features that I don't want to give up and I want them on future games as well.
I guess I just have a different playstyle when it comes to this that I came to like the fusion in modern titles more.
I guess I just have a different playstyle when it comes to this that I came to like the fusion in modern titles more.
cj_iwakura
Member
IV is arguably the best fusion system yet... for ease of use. But there's a certain level of charm to being limited when making certain demons, like knowing if I make a Titania, bolt magic isn't an option(for example), so I'd better focus on other crucial skills.
Zombegoast
Member
This reminds me I have to finish SMT4 but can't because I lost my files upgrading my SD Card.
I hate you.
I hate you.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
Throw wave after wave of my own
Really though, usually everyone lives or there's one casualty at the most.
You suggest a team of fiends, and then say you never used the most useful one? :\
He's like the only one I didn't fuse.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
I've always been a little disappointed I couldn't command all Four Horsemen simultaneously, even though five party members would be so unnecessary.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Too stubborn to let Pixie die so I redid the Matador fight. Fused Nekomata which required lvl 18 so did some small grinding. Nothing serious. I got both Sukukaja and Rakukaja on her which is great.
At 1st Kalpa now. Taking things nice and slow. Going back to save and heal consistently.
At 1st Kalpa now. Taking things nice and slow. Going back to save and heal consistently.
RecursiveFault
Banned
It's extremely useful, but it's a little too easy to break the game over your knee in IV.
I think if they rework the system somehow, like limiting inheritable skills or the quality of skills in some way (like based on the type of demon you're fusing? or something?) it could be helped while keeping the far better ease of use.
eyeball_kid
Member
Demons wanting to change skills is something I've been wanting to find out for a long time – does denying them (as they scream in anguish) actually have any negative effects like reduced affinity? This happens in Persona also, and I'm equally confused about the consequences.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
No negative effects.
Letting a demon change a skill is a significant risk because you have no idea what you'll get or even what you'll lose. I pretty much say no almost every time.
SMTIV fixed this by outright saying "<demon> is trying to change <skill A> into <skill B>" and it was a million times better.
RecursiveFault
Banned
Well it was really just changing a diceroll into a choice, but yeah.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
You told that bitch "no, I don't want Life Surge to be changed! Are you stupid?!?" and give him the Hito-SHORYUKEN for even thinking of doing that.
It would never "downrank"; you'd never get Zio from a Agilao, but yeah. I got in my 4 playthrus some interesting upgrades, as you could and would occasionally get some stuff you'd be hard pressed to get from demons 5 levels above yourself at the time. (This is boosted by me often running lean on skills from fusing only a few must have skills).
eyeball_kid
Member
Thanks! Finally the mystery is solved. I often said YES on Nocturne because I was afraid the demons would get pissed at me and maybe leave my team.
SMTIV sounds much better in that regard. Honestly, it seems kind of a weird game mechanic to throw in when the choices the demons make are totally random. Makes the demons feel less like real NPCs.
cj_iwakura
Member
The true scrub killer. Before Dark Souls, this motherfucker told you to Git Gud.
Then you bring a Null Force Magatama and laugh.
Always save before a demon levels, if you can. I think it's worth the risk, I've gotten some great stuff from the trade up(like early Mediarama from Media).
cj_iwakura
Member
Yep.
Might I suggest getting some mana recovery moves?
The best thing I ever did was get mana refill on my healer.
Mana drain works for the protag.
cj_iwakura
Member
It's part of the first kalpa, but you unlock it through the one below, if memory serves.
Kerotan Frog
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I've always wanted to play his game but was scared off by the supposed difficulty. But I'm not a little bih anymore and got gud, having grown an appetite for souls games. After reading the responses in this thread praising the music, story, art, and gameplay, I'm gonna bite the bullet and order this. Can't wait to figure out how to destroy Matador.
I feel like going on a JRPG binge and I'm gonna start with this. Then play Chrono Trigger for the first time (I know I know..), sprinkle in my Pokemon addiction, feed the pain with Dark Souls III, and then cap off the summer with the goodness of Persona 5.
Thank you for feeding the hype gaf!
I feel like going on a JRPG binge and I'm gonna start with this. Then play Chrono Trigger for the first time (I know I know..), sprinkle in my Pokemon addiction, feed the pain with Dark Souls III, and then cap off the summer with the goodness of Persona 5.
Thank you for feeding the hype gaf!
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I'm maybe about 3 hours ahead of that part in my play through. I had to fight Thor 3 times. And finally beating him, it was mainly because of the Focus and then weakening his defense. I got into a good groove. He wasn't hard, I just made so many stupid mistakes the other 2 times.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I might have been overlevelled cuz I spent a lot of time in the First Kalpa. Level 27 when I fought him.
Are you specializing in physical strength or magic? Or are you spreading your stats around? I'm going physical.
Spieler Eins
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Played this for the first time last year, when it finally arrived on PSN. As my fifth or sixth SMT game, it was certainly lacking some of the magic. I wasn't really having difficulties outside of death spells and me forgetting to protect. If you know the mechanics this well already, you can even get down the Matador first try. But it's still great overall and as usual for SMT, it's very much its own thing in many aspects. In particular the 3D environments are still great.
cj_iwakura
Member
Heh, I got bodied by him just now. My fault though, no elec resist demons(and a couple weak to it).
I was TERRIFIED of him when I first fought him, just screamed commanding presence.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Leaning more towards strength, but I've been trying to keep it fairly even. I think I was around Level 23 or 24. What really screwed me was having two demons that were weak to electricity. I got into a really bad cycle of having to heal people without actually doing much damage. But I switched up my main squad, equipped my electricity resistant magatama and it was gravy.
I'm probably going to fire the game up and mess around with the Amala Labyrinth some more. Seems like a great place to grind my demons.
cj_iwakura
Member
Stay close to the healer if you do, Amala does not eff around. Everything is there to kill you.
cj_iwakura
Member
Sheesh, I haven't been challenged like this in a while. Not using Bright Might is fun painful. Gonna have to earn Thor's death.
cj_iwakura
Member
Thor is toast.
Dante wrecked me back to back, heh. Just went to town on Hitoshura.
I got my extra press turn now, so that helps. (I did all the burial chambers last cycle.)
Dante wrecked me back to back, heh. Just went to town on Hitoshura.
I got my extra press turn now, so that helps. (I did all the burial chambers last cycle.)
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
Still my lucky charm. Not the best demon in the world, but no weaknesses is nice and she can spam Rakunda.
What the hell at that stat spread.
My own replay is nearing the end. Going for the Shijima ending this time, because I haven't done it yet. Just took out the last Fiend
before he even got to cast Evil Melody--lol NG+ with extra Press Turn and 50% off the Compendium--
Yurakucho Tunnel, the Diet Building, and the Tower of Kagutsuchi
cj_iwakura
Member
Still my lucky charm. Not the best demon in the world, but no weaknesses is nice and she can spam Rakunda.
Let it gooooooooo
That lack of HP is only going to be a hindrance before long.
cj_iwakura
Member
Give that Wing Buffet to someone who can use it, like an Archangel or Tengu.
Sumio Mondo
Member
Daisoujou for life. Dude certainly never left my party first playthrough. Dude was a train, steamrolled through everything. Many a time against the toughest bosses/enemies it was just Demi-Fiend and Daisoujou left. And then one day Daisoujou had powered himself up with Focus too much and I let him attack and unfortunately that enemy had a reflect skill and it was bye bye Daisoujou. But he still forgave me after all that and handed me items after so many battles like a true friend. He went to bat for me so many times. *sniff*
Daisoujou, you're such a bro.
Daisoujou, you're such a bro.
Funyarinpa
Member
lmao
Pandora012
Member
I don't think I've used this guy before.
cj_iwakura
Member
A bro that I'm about to bury.
Current setup:
Current setup:
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
He's probably the most useful demon in the game, purely in terms of the huge range of levels he stays viable for.
Pandora012
Member
I think after beating him, I hated him so much I never used him. That or I never knew how good he was. I was still able to drag my way to TD ending.
Ending team:
Michael
Shiva
Vishnu