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[SmokyDave]

guys this has nothing to do with islam or terrorism. look!

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-...l-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873

I wonder if the same political correctness that has people denying reality here got in the way.

Nope, it's all a big misunderstanding. He must have some other motives. Unhappy with the food or something.

 

[minus_273]

Nope, it's all a big misunderstanding. He must have some other motives. Unhappy with the food or something.

you know i think it might just have a loner who snapped.

 

[APF]

Wait, this guy was religious?

 

[adamsappel]

Sigh. Hey, how about we criticize the Army which is so desperate for anyone except gays to throw at the Iraq & Afghanistan War Time Fun Tour that they recruit gangbangers and Neo-Nazis and ignore an obviously unstable officer? It's pretty sad that he could have accomplished his wishes a lot easier by telling his commander that "Semen tastes salty" than by ranting he didn't agree with his fellow Muslims being killed.

We're definitely going to have to start screening Jews and Catholics, to determine whether their allegiances are to Israel and Rome. Generic Christians, though, they'll kill anybody.

 

[gumshoe]

Wait, U.S. Intelligence knew that he tried to contact Al Qaeda and didn't do anything??? Not even question him?

The U.S. Intelligence also knew that there was going to be an attack on American Soil (9/11) and didn't do anything. Do they want to stop these attacks or do they want them to happen??I don't get it!!

 

[Lucky Forward]

BREAKING NEWS: Army spokesman says Fort Hood shooting suspect conscious, able to talk

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3377707...at_fort_hood/?ns=us_news-tragedy_at_fort_hood

Dewey Mitchell, a spokesman at Brooke Army Medical Center, said Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan remains in stable condition. Mitchell says Hasan has been awake and able to talk since he was taken off a ventilator Saturday.

 

[bob_arctor]

Cool. Some people were proven right in this thread and some were proven wrong. That's awesome. There's always a silver lining to these mass shootings.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Today, a news media corporation with a history of making shit up stated that unnamed men told them that Hasan had personally known Osama bin Laden and was in fact his best friend in the whole world.

 

[SmokyDave]

Cool. Some people were proven right in this thread and some were proven wrong. That's awesome. There's always a silver lining to these mass shootings.

I know you're being sarcastic but as with everything like this, there are lessons to be learned. This guy threw up some pretty huge red flags prior to the event. Why these flags were not acted upon will need to be looked into.

 

[Joel Was Right]

How does someone actually try to contact Al-Qaeda? They are not a specific group that is established like an organisation with a website and contact details. I remember after the terror attacks in London some in the media directly associated the bombers with Al-Qaeda until it was later clarified that they made contact with 'Al-Qaeda sympathisers' or those inspired by them. I would think its just as likely that if Hassan did make contact, he probably made contact with those on message-boards with an agenda to kill Americans.

I used to be on a Muslim forum some time ago (actually largest considering its traffic) and I knew/know the Admin of that website. He told me the forum was 'watched in a phone call, but then again that was widely known on the forum itself'. Unsurprisingly really considering there were more than a couple of members who seemed quite unnerving in their anger and hatred.

I think the media just use the 'Al-Qaeda' name in association with any group of individuals of a similar context.

 

[Woodsy]

BREAKING NEWS: Army spokesman says Fort Hood shooting suspect conscious, able to talk

I still think they should have brought this guy to consciousness surrounded by scantily clad "virgins" - and then said, "just kidding, asshole."

 

[Woodsy]

How does someone actually try to contact Al-Qaeda? They are not a specific group that is established like an organisation with a website and contact details. I remember after the terror attacks in London some in the media directly associated the bombers with Al-Qaeda until it was later clarified that they made contact with 'Al-Qaeda sympathisers' or those inspired by them. I would think its just as likely that if Hassan did make contact, he probably made contact with those on message-boards with an agenda to kill Americans.

I used to be on a Muslim forum some time ago (actually largest considering its traffic) and I knew/know the Admin of that website. He told me the forum was 'watched in a phone call, but then again that was widely known on the forum itself'. Unsurprisingly really considering there were more than a couple of members who seemed quite unnerving in their anger and hatred.

I think the media just use the 'Al-Qaeda' name in association with any group of individuals of a similar context.

Meus Renaissance
is being watched.
(Today, 11:44 AM)

 

[EmCeeGramr]

How does someone actually try to contact Al-Qaeda? They are not a specific group that is established like an organisation with a website and contact details. I remember after the terror attacks in London some in the media directly associated the bombers with Al-Qaeda until it was later clarified that they made contact with 'Al-Qaeda sympathisers' or those inspired by them. I would think its just as likely that if Hassan did make contact, he probably made contact with those on message-boards with an agenda to kill Americans.

I used to be on a Muslim forum some time ago (actually largest considering its traffic) and I knew/know the Admin of that website. He told me the forum was 'watched in a phone call, but then again that was widely known on the forum itself'. Unsurprisingly really considering there were more than a couple of members who seemed quite unnerving in their anger and hatred.

I think the media just use the 'Al-Qaeda' name in association with any group of individuals of a similar context.

Hasan Computer Reveals No Terror Ties

A preliminary review of the computer of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the accused shooter in Thursday's rampage at Fort Hood in which 13 people were killed, has revealed no evidence of any connection to terror groups or conspirators, according to law enforcement officials.

CBS News correspondent Bob Orr reports that an examination of the computer has revealed Hasan visited Web sites promoting radical Islamic views, but investigators have not found any e-mail communications with outside facilitators or known terrorists.

One senior official told CBS News, "Everything continues to indicate that Hassan acted alone."

The official, though, said the investigation is "fluid and still in its early stages."

As part of a continuing background check the FBI is reviewing Hasan's actions and associations during his time in the Washington, D.C. area, where the psychiatrist worked at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

Orr says that the FBI is aware of and is investigating reports (described in the London Telegraph) that in 2001 Hasan attended the same Virginia mosque as two of the 9/11 hijackers.

[The Telegraph does misstate that the Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center is in Great Falls, Va., when it is actually in Falls Church.]

More importantly, investigators are trying to determine what relationship, if any, Hasan developed with the radical Imam Anwar al-Awlaki, who was the spiritual leader of the mosque at the time. Even if Hasan had no direct relationship with al-Awlaki - a known extremist, now living in Yemen, who's been accused of aiding the 9/11 plot - investigators want to determine if al-Awlaki's teachings may have helped foster Hasan's radicalization.

"We need to look at potential inspiration" as a factor, sources said.

Officials say all of these potential leads, "need to be checked out before we attempt to attach any weight to them."

 

[scorcho]

Wait, this guy was religious?

I could tell by just looking at his last name.

 

[Woodsy]

Hasan Computer Reveals No Terror Ties

...which does not mean he was not a "terrorist."

 

[scorcho]

I wonder if the same political correctness that has people denying reality here got in the way.

political correctness or institutional inertia?

 

[EmCeeGramr]

...which does not mean he was not a "terrorist."

So, what's a terrorist, then?

 

[Joel Was Right]

So, what's a terrorist, then?

The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear).

I don't think he is technically a 'terrorist'

 

[PhoenixDark]

It'll be interesting once someone asks Obama if he thinks this guy should be executed

 

[Joel Was Right]

Meus Renaissance
is being watched.
(Today, 11:44 AM)

A national newspaper actually covered that forum and it quoted me and one of my comments there with praise. But no doubt I was looked at. Funny how many people are watching me these days. GAF, US Customs and CBP, the British papers etc. Heh

 

[Tideas]

It'll be interesting once someone asks Obama if he thinks this guy should be executed

why would it? what's OBama's stance on capital punishment? whatever that stance is, is what obama will answer

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

A national newspaper actually covered that forum and it quoted me and one of my comments there with praise. But no doubt I was looked at. Funny how many people are watching me these days. GAF, US Customs and CBP, the British papers etc. Heh

Aliens too, right?

 

[Joel Was Right]

Aliens too, right?

Who knows. But I forgot to add Ignius Fatuus to that list

 

[Pimpwerx]

erk...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-07/major-hasans-hidden-militancy/full/

LOL! How does someone who hates America get into the military? PEACE.

 

[Joel Was Right]

LOL! How does someone who hates America get into the military? PEACE.

I was on the airplane towards Houston when this happened and me and a few others were watching it on Live TV. I think CNN was covering it. One of the reporters said that after the military lowered it's background check requirements, there have been known to be gangs in the Fort. We couldn't believe it. Gang beef in a military complex?

 

[bob_arctor]

I know you're being sarcastic but as with everything like this, there are lessons to be learned. This guy threw up some pretty huge red flags prior to the event. Why these flags were not acted upon will need to be looked into.

My guess is lazy assholes not bothering rather than any sort of pc guilt gone horribly wrong.

 

[APF]

I could tell by just looking at his last name.

Wait, there was some indication he might have been religious based on his last name?

 

[methos75]

The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear).

I don't think he is technically a 'terrorist'

Actually by that definition he is an Terrorist since the the shooting was probably motivated by his not wanting to go to Iraq which could be said to be an political motive, also the definition is not limited to violence used just against civs but also military forces, hence why the US Cole attack and Khobar towers are called terrorist attacks.

 

[Freshmaker]

Actually by that definition he is an Terrorist since the the shooting was probably motivated by his not wanting to go to Iraq which could be said to be an political motive, also the definition is not limited to violence used just against civs but also military forces, hence why the US Cole attack and Khobar towers are called terrorist attacks.

By that reasoning, Columbine was a terrorist attack. (Since one of 'em couldn't get into the Marines.)

 

[methos75]

By that reasoning, Columbine was a terrorist attack. (Since one of 'em couldn't get into the Marines.)

If it could proved that it was an catalyst for the shooting, you possibly could.

 

[Freshmaker]

If it could proved that it was an catalyst for the shooting, you possibly could.

It was. Still not terrorism however.

 

[goomba]

Well at least videogames arnt being blamed for this one.

 

[Salazar]

Whole business still strongly reminds me of the episode in that godawful Clancy book 'Rainbow Six'.

 

[APF]

If the motive is a case of, "I wanted to get xyz but didn't," it's hard to call that terrorism and not just a violent suicide that takes other people out with them. Wrath != terrorism. Terrorism is this kind of attack with an implication that more attacks of this sort will happen if these demands are not taken seriously.

 

[linkboy]

It'll be interesting once someone asks Obama if he thinks this guy should be executed

Obama's stance on this shouldn't matter, he's going to be tried under the UCMJ and I really would be surprised if the JAG officers don't go for the death penalty.

 

[Tamanon]

My guess is lazy assholes not bothering rather than any sort of pc guilt gone horribly wrong.

Yeah, because if there's one place that doesn't worry about being PC it's the military.:lol

 

[laserbeam]

Obama's stance on this shouldn't matter, he's going to be tried under the UCMJ and I really would be surprised if the JAG officers don't go for the death penalty.

Thats where the case gets a bit fuzzy though. While the Death penalty is the most fitting punishment he is basically a hero to his fellow extremists. Putting him to death will martyr him.

 

[scorcho]

his fellow extremists

might be hard to believe, but this case appears to have a lot more nuance than just Islamic extremism.

 

[PhoenixDark]

In the wake of the Ft. Hood shooting last week and rampant speculation surrounding alleged shooter Nidal Malik Hasan's motives, the American Family Association has called for a ban on Muslims in the military. Mother Jones reports that the conservative Christian group has posted an article on its website by the group's Director of Issues Analysis, Bryan Fischer, who argues that the tragedy at Ft. Hood is the sign to start the ban. "This is not Islamophobia, it is Islamo-realism," Fischer says.

Under the headline, "No More Muslims in the U.S. Military," he writes:

"It it is time, I suggest, to stop the practice of allowing Muslims to serve in the U.S. military. The reason is simple: the more devout a Muslim is, the more of a threat he is to national security. Devout Muslims, who accept the teachings of the Prophet as divinely inspired, believe it is their duty to kill infidels. Yesterday's massacre is living proof. And yesterday's incident is not the first fragging incident involving a Muslim taking out his fellow U.S. soldiers.

Of course, most U.S. Muslims don't shoot up their fellow soldiers. Fine. As soon as Muslims give us a foolproof way to identify their jihadis from their moderates, we'll go back to allowing them to serve. You tell us who the ones are that we have to worry about, prove you're right, and Muslims can once again serve. Until that day comes, we simply cannot afford the risk. You invent a jihadi-detector that works every time it's used, and we'll welcome you back with open arms.

This is not Islamophobia, it is Islamo-realism.

...

The barbarians are no longer at the gate. They're inside the fort, and it's time for the insanity to stop."

Holy shit

 

[mckmas8808]

Joke post?

No. I'm Christian first and American second. And to add to that, I'd say I'm a black man first and an American second.

 

[mckmas8808]

I dont think it has anything to do with skin color. More along the lines of "fucked up religion".

So why is it that when someone of a Christian religon does something that kills lots of people, you don't see this kind of backlash?

 

[Leunam]

What the fuck kind of name is American Family Association?

 

[minus_273]

Today, a news media corporation with a history of making shit up stated that unnamed men told them that Hasan had personally known Osama bin Laden and was in fact his best friend in the whole world.

NBC said that?

 

[Tamanon]

Holy shit

:lol :lol AFA

 

[MrPliskin]

There have been three major fratricide incidents in the last 10 years on bases, all three involved Muslim soldiers.

Do us all a favor and kill yourself. Seriously. You have no idea what you're talking about, and trying to place some kind of blame on Muslim Soldiers is ridiculous.

In fact, I feel incredibly disrecpted by your comments as a United States Soldier. Sadly, I'll still go fight so your dumb ass can post up bullshit freely.

...though I'd still rather you kill yourself.

Edit: To be clear, I watched as they took 12 Soldiers and 1 Citizen onto the Aircraft in flag covered caskets. I would hate to see their deaths turned into a political machine to eliminate the enlistment of Muslimes in the United States Military. To me, this new 'blame on Muslims in the military" is disgusting and is the kind of behavior that breeds more hatred and more violence.

 

[mckmas8808]

Do us all a favor and kill yourself. Seriously. You have no idea what you're talking about, and trying to place some kind of blame on Muslim Soldiers is ridiculous.

In fact, I feel incredibly disrecpted by your comments as a United States Soldier. Sadly, I'll still go fight so your dumb ass can post up bullshit freely.

...though I'd still rather you kill yourself.

Edit: To be clear, I watched as they took 12 Soldiers and 1 Citizen onto the Aircraft in flag covered caskets. I would hate to see their deaths turned into a political machine to eliminate the enlistment of Muslimes in the United States Military. To me, this new 'blame on Muslims in the military" is disgusting and is the kind of behavior that breeds more hatred and more violence.

WOW! :lol

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Do us all a favor and kill yourself. Seriously. You have no idea what you're talking about, and trying to place some kind of blame on Muslim Soldiers is ridiculous.

In fact, I feel incredibly disrecpted by your comments as a United States Soldier. Sadly, I'll still go fight so your dumb ass can post up bullshit freely.

...though I'd still rather you kill yourself.

Edit: To be clear, I watched as they took 12 Soldiers and 1 Citizen onto the Aircraft in flag covered caskets. I would hate to see their deaths turned into a political machine to eliminate the enlistment of Muslimes in the United States Military. To me, this new 'blame on Muslims in the military" is disgusting and is the kind of behavior that breeds more hatred and more violence.

can't ignore reality, the last three fraggings were done by muslim converts. and one of them did say it was because of the war in iraq.

 

[mckmas8808]

can't ignore reality, the last three fraggings were done by muslim converts. and one of them did say it was because of the war in iraq.

Okay. Now what about all the other ones listed that were done by white Christians? Is this a game of hate any religion other than a Christian one? Or is it "hate the Muslins?"

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Holy shit

Isn't that just lovely... smh. Hey folks, IT ISN'T ISLAMAPHOBIA no, just being real. I don't think that black people should go to school with whites since black people may infect my fellow whities with rap music! *SCREAM* *HORROR*... it isn't being a bigot, IT'S JUST BEING REAL.

 

[Tamanon]

Isn't that just lovely... smh. Hey folks, IT ISN'T ISLAMAPHOBIA no, just being real. I don't think that black people should go to school with whites since black people may infect my fellow whities with rap music! *SCREAM* *HORROR*... it isn't being a bigot, IT'S JUST BEING REAL.

Although, to be fair, that's the argument that keeps gay soldiers from serving openly.:/