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Seemed like we were doing good for awhile but I realized it was mostly due to summer break. Back to normal I guess.
 
Stuff like this doesn't only happen in America.

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Hm..

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/24/9183525/gun-violence-statistics
 
Seemed like we were doing good for awhile but I realized it was mostly due to summer break. Back to normal I guess.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-more-than-one-mass-shooting-per-day-in-2015/

It's abhorent that we're at this point. Something needs to be done, but whatever common sense behind a solution seems to be falling to deaf ears.

Do you just mean school shootings? because that link shows that these shootings happened more during summer break
 
No way, I Never expected this kind of thing to happen there. I just transfered from there to Sac State this year. Makes my blood boil to think that something like that happened in a place I always felt safe in.
 
In the hood summer time is the killing season
It's hot out this bitch that's a good enough reason

the words of 50 cent are now in middle america
 
Summer = Free time and Weekends = Free time traditionally which is more time to commit gun murders.

Yeah, it's honestly just simple xyz math. More people out = more chance for guns to be out too = more shootings. There's about 1000 other factors all influencing that equation, but at the end of the day that's what it's really all about.

This is why people want to decrease the opportunity for these weapons to get in the hands of citizens. We want to work on reducing the link between "more people" and "more guns"
 
I've learned that way too many Americans really don't care/apathetic and think the loss of lives is worth the freedom of having guns.

I'm not apathetic towards the loss of lives, I'm just not naive enough to to think "ban all guns in America" is a feasible solution, or even that doing so will magically make all the guns we have now dissappear, or change to mindset of the people willing to kill others.

Furthermore, but I don't know about you but I live in an open carry state. I see people in Walmart carrying pistols, and it doesn't scare me. I don't live in constant fear of being shot.

A lot of posts like this strike me as coming from people who dont live here, imposing their ideals and telling us how stupid we are, when the reality is not nearly as scary.
 
I'm not apathetic towards the loss of lives, I'm just not native enough to to think "ban all guns in America" is a feasible solution, or even that doing so will magically make all the guns we have now dissappear, or change to mindset of the people willing to kill others.

Furthermore, but I don't know about you but I live in an open carry state. I see people in Walmart carrying pistols, and it doesn't scare me. I don't live in constant fear of being shot.

Politically feasible? No, not right now. Logistically feasible? Sure. Necessary to ban ALL guns and legal access to them? Probably not.

There are reasonable ideas though that we have evidence can be successful at getting guns off the streets and reducing overall supply. It would be harder to implement and carry out here but not impossible.
 
Reposting this from another thread:

Suppose you give people guns. Tell them they need it to protect themselves from the government.

What are these people being taught? That the government is worthless and evil. That it shouldn't be improved, that it should be fought. That violence is okay to protect your rights.

Using guns is a form of violence. But it is necessary to protect yourself. They will adopt a more militaristic and aggressive attitude. Anything they fear, guns are a solution.

These people elect the government's officials. They wish to have people in who will give them more guns. The officials either have or adopt this violent atttude, because that is what will get them elected.

These officials will internalize this violent worldview. It'll influence all their decisions, because they're humans, and humans work that way. The government will adopt policies for violence.

The government looks even scarier. They'll conclude that they need more guns, because it's necessary to protect themselves. They will campaign for more guns. They elect more violent politicians. They adopt a colder and more violent worldview.

Rinse, repeat. Wait for society to fail.

GreatestHits, you're not defending anybody with your worldview. You're setting up for the people and the government to kill each other and everybody else caught up in it. You're setting up a psychological self-reinforcing cycle that creates the oppressive government you fear.
The same applies to these mass shooters. If you encourage guns as solutions to problems, you make people believe that guns are a solution to execute their desires, to fix the problems they percieve.
 
BAn fucking guns already Jesus.


I don't care if it's a hobby or you grew up with it or you're a responsible gun owner- you contribute to this if you support any form of gun ownership.
 
Ban guns and when it goes to the Supreme Court reinterpret the 2nd Amendment to require enlistment in the National Guard to own any guns at all.
 
It's like every week holy shit

Sure seems like that.

Chicagoland-GAF, or anyone, who is old enough to remember hearing about the Winnetka, IL school shooting that happened at Hubbard Woods Elementary School in 1988?

The shooter was then-30-year-old Laurie Dann. She shot 5 children, killing an 8 year old boy, and wounded two girls, and two other boys. Laurie Dann had purchased her firearms at Glenview, IL gun shop.
This is the motherfucking bitch that first made me aware of school shootings, over a decade before Columbine.

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Edit: I wish that MISERY-inflicting bitch was still alive, and suffering, but she did die.
My best friend's younger brothers and sisters went to that school, thankfully they were all okay.
I myself was in school in Glenview which is directly southwest of Winnetka and after school those of us who walked were told to get straight home no matter what.
 
BAn fucking guns already Jesus.


I don't care if it's a hobby or you grew up with it or you're a responsible gun owner- you contribute to this if you support any form of gun ownership.

Way way way tighter gun laws definitely. Totally blanket banning guns isn't the answer either. Farmers for example need guns. Anti-poachers need guns. Etc.
 
Sure seems like that.

Chicagoland-GAF, or anyone, who is old enough to remember hearing about the Winnetka, IL school shooting that happened at Hubbard Woods Elementary School in 1988?

The shooter was then-30-year-old Laurie Dann. She shot 5 children, killing an 8 year old boy, and wounded two girls, and two other boys. Laurie Dann had purchased her firearms at Glenview, IL gun shop.
This is the motherfucking bitch that first made me aware of school shootings, over a decade before Columbine.

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Oh, shit. A trip down memory lane.

Remember the Church's Chicken massacre?
 
I used to go there... Its scary out now even as I still go to school around Sac (Sac State).

P.S. this might be an unpopular opinion around gaf but I do not think gun bans should be implemented. At this point I do even think its necessary for everyone to at least know how to shoot, how to disarm and know how to react in these situations. Although I will not be comfortable owning a gun, I would be a bit more secure with a trusted friend around me discliplined enough to own one and me knowing what to do if worse come to worse.

I guess I gotta go to a dojo and a shooting range soon...
 
DEATH™;177527549 said:
I used to go there... Its scary out now even as I still go to school around Sac (Sac State).

P.S. this might be an unpopular opinion around gaf but I do not think gun bans should be implemented. At this point I do even think its necessary for everyone to at least know how to shoot, how to disarm and know how to react in these situations. Although I will not be comfortable owning a gun, I would be a bit more secure with a trusted friend around me discliplined enough to own one and me knowing what to do if worse come to worse.

I guess I gotta go to a dojo and a shooting range soon...

Are you joking or do you actually think that if you're in a situation where someone is committing a mass murder that you'll whip out some Jackie Chan moves and save people?
 
Are you joking or do you actually think that if you're in a situation where someone is committing a mass murder that you'll whip out some Jackie Chan moves and save people?

Bro its not about being Jackie Chan lol. Its about being prepared. What I do know is whether there is a ban or not, people will get what they want when they want it (if someone wants to arm themselves, they will do so with or without law). At least if someone is pointing the gun at me, I can at least I am prepared enough to know what to do to lengthen my life and possibly the people around me.
 
DEATH™;177528440 said:
Bro its not about being Jackie Chan lol. Its about being prepared. What I do know is whether there is a ban or not, people will get what they want when they want it (if someone wants to arm themselves, they will do so with or without law). At least if someone is pointing the gun at me, I can at least I am prepared enough to know what to do to lengthen my life and possibly the people around me.
If I'm ever in that situation- the last thing I want is a Lone Raner like you. And ban or not people will get them? What about every other fcking country? Why is this unique to us?
 
Read someplace that there's been over 400 shooting victims since those reporters were killed on air. So this is sadly just another day in America. sad. Hope they are caught.
I saw this when I was on the bus and was expecting it to be all over CNN when I got home. I was puzzled as to why it wasn't. Now I know why.
Really? How many people have saved themselves or their loved ones because they legally possessed a gun for self defense? Stuff like this doesn't only happen in America. Making guns illegal is not the solution, period.
With this frequency? Absolutely. The last time Canada had a school shooting like this was 2 years ago. The last time we had a mass shooting? 1989. The one before that was 1964. Obviously making guns illegal would make it a lot harder for a person to murder their entire class. However, guns aren't illegal in Canada. They're regulated.
I'm not apathetic towards the loss of lives, I'm just not naive enough to to think "ban all guns in America" is a feasible solution, or even that doing so will magically make all the guns we have now dissappear, or change to mindset of the people willing to kill others.

Furthermore, but I don't know about you but I live in an open carry state. I see people in Walmart carrying pistols, and it doesn't scare me. I don't live in constant fear of being shot.

A lot of posts like this strike me as coming from people who dont live here, imposing their ideals and telling us how stupid we are, when the reality is not nearly as scary.
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Way way way tighter gun laws definitely. Totally blanket banning guns isn't the answer either. Farmers for example need guns. Anti-poachers need guns. Etc.
Banning guns is the ideal answer, imo, but it isn't the only thing that will reduce gun deaths. As you said, tighter gun laws make a huge difference. I think Canada is a perfect example of this because of the proximity.
 
DEATH™;177527549 said:
I used to go there... Its scary out now even as I still go to school around Sac (Sac State).

P.S. this might be an unpopular opinion around gaf but I do not think gun bans should be implemented. At this point I do even think its necessary for everyone to at least know how to shoot, how to disarm and know how to react in these situations. Although I will not be comfortable owning a gun, I would be a bit more secure with a trusted friend around me discliplined enough to own one and me knowing what to do if worse come to worse.

I guess I gotta go to a dojo and a shooting range soon...

Gun violence is so bad the best answer is for more people to own and operate guns. Solid logic. too bad it doesnt actually work that way. In fact we have been trying that in America for some time and it hasn't really worked. Not sure doubling down is the answer.
DEATH™;177528440 said:
Bro its not about being Jackie Chan lol. Its about being prepared. What I do know is whether there is a ban or not, people will get what they want when they want it (if someone wants to arm themselves, they will do so with or without law). At least if someone is pointing the gun at me, I can at least I am prepared enough to know what to do to lengthen my life and possibly the people around me.
World statistics say this isn't really true. Australia drastically reduced supply of guns and guess what happened? Gun violence dropped and gun usage in crimes dropped. They are better off for it. Same with the UK.
 
If I'm ever in that situation- the last thing I want is a Lone Raner like you. And ban or not people will get them? What about every other fcking country? Why is this unique to us?

Bro there is just as much killings in the Philippines (where I'm from), which isn't as reported as much. And it has a "tighter" gun law. Civilians can't even own anything beyound 9mm and owning it is already hard and expensive. Doesn't stop people from killing though.

In reality, if someone is pointing the gun at you, you are as good as dead. But at the same time you can at least extend your life and those around you at least a second or even a minute just by knowing what to do on a given situation. And those are enough to diffuse a situation. This is important especially with concealed carry firearms such as handguns with generally shorter range and little penetrating power over shotguns/rifles.
 
DEATH™;177530429 said:
Bro there is just as much killings in the Philippines (where I'm from), which isn't as reported as much. And it has a "tighter" gun law. Civilians can't even own anything beyound 9mm and owning it is already hard and expensive. Doesn't stop people from killing though.

In reality, if someone is pointing the gun at you, you are as good as dead. But at the same time you can at least extend your life and those around you at least a second or even a minute just by knowing what to do on a given situation. And those are enough to diffuse a situation. This is important especially with concealed carry firearms such as handguns with generally shorter range and little penetrating power over shotguns/rifles.
Yeah my solution minimizes the chance someone points at me.
Your view perpetuates the problem. And for as much as you think you know- Id guarantee you whipping out your gun will make a bad situation worse.
 
I'm tired of this shit happening. Tired of the needless deaths. I'm tired of all the gun nuts and the NRA. Tired of all the guns that are being smuggled into my own country of Canada. I'm tired of any anti-gun legislation in the states being shot down by dumb asses in congress. I'm tired of these fucking threads.

GET. YOUR. SHIT. TOGETHER. AMERICA.
 
I'm tired of this shit happening. Tired of the needless deaths. I'm tired of all the gun nuts and the NRA. Tired of all the guns that are being smuggled into my own country of Canada. I'm tired of any anti-gun legislation in the states being shot down by dumb asses in congress. I'm tired of these fucking threads.

GET. YOUR. SHIT. TOGETHER. AMERICA.
Pretty much how I feel. Tired of doing the same dance.

You aren't a responsible owner. You're part of the problem and your views contribute to these deaths.
 
farmers and anti poachers is what your argument relies on?

Bruh

Did you read my post? Take a look at Australia as an example of how to implement strict gun laws but not totally ban them. The Howard government implemented our gun laws to near perfection. Our laws enable those that need guns e.g. farmers that have to cull rabbits or kangas or snakes or foxes or feral cats etc deserve to own and use them.

The poachers comments is more for other countries with exotic wildlife gun needs.

What do you think I'm arguing for exactly? To spell it out again for you, clear action to strict or very strict gun laws and a gun amnesty similar to what Australia implemented. It will reduce incidents and save lives.

I enjoy shotgun shooting at a range and all I need is a junior license purchased on the day when I go with a gun licensed friend of mine. I can go paintballing without a license and use the venues markers. If I want to own a gun or paintball marker I have due process and background checks as well as waiting periods.

A record number of unregistered guns were destroyed by our government when the amnesty was available. We turned the tide. Will America take action?

Let me bold the important part from my post, just to be super crystal clear for you.

Way way way tighter gun laws definitely. Totally blanket banning guns isn't the answer either. Farmers for example need guns. Anti-poachers need guns. Etc.
 
I'm tired of this shit happening. Tired of the needless deaths. I'm tired of all the gun nuts and the NRA. Tired of all the guns that are being smuggled into my own country of Canada. I'm tired of any anti-gun legislation in the states being shot down by dumb asses in congress. I'm tired of these fucking threads.

GET. YOUR. SHIT. TOGETHER. AMERICA.

This is actually a bigger problem than many realise and I am surprised it isn't talked about more often. At least 60% of guns used in crimes in Ontario are American. 20% are untraceable and the remaining 20% are local. The funny part is that most of those guns are coming from southern states instead of New York because of lax gun laws in the distant south. It's become a huge problem for Ottawa, specifically.
 
This is actually a bigger problem than many realise and I am surprised it isn't talked about more often. At least 60% of guns used in crimes in Ontario are American. 20% are untraceable and the remaining 20% are local. The funny part is that most of those guns are coming from southern states instead of New York because of lax gun laws in the distant south. It's become a huge problem for Ottawa, specifically.

It pisses me off when I hear pro-gun Americans talk about their precious 2nd amendment. It just means more guns for crazies to use here in Ontario.In Toronto where I live, there has been 162 shooting this year alone. This shouldn't be happening; we're smart enough to not put ourselves in danger like pro-gun Americans, yet we still suffer to an extent from their bullshit.
 
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