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[PSGames]

Under US law it's illegal.

No it's not. Or atleast for Music and Movies it's not.

 

[elrechazado]

So what would you call people who DL games illegally?

Copyright infringers

 

[jett]

No it's not. Or atleast for Music and Movies it's not.

Private ownership

In some countries, it is legal for an individual to personally make backup copies of a game they own. Individuals may make backup copies for various reasons, perhaps as insurance against losing the game or as redundancy in the event that the original game's medium becomes unreadable. See the section on ROMs and Preservation.

However, in the U.S. it has been illegal since 1983 for a user to create their own backups of video game ROMs onto other cartridges. This was decided in the court case of Atari v. JS&A[/URL]. JS&A manufactured a "game backup" device that allowed users to dump their Atari ROMs onto a blank cartridge. JS&A argued that the archival rule allowed for this. The court disagreed, noting that ROM media was not subject to the same volatility as magnetic media (for which the law was created). Thus, not being so relatively vulnerable, ROMs were not applicable under section 17 USC 117(a)(2).

Music and movies are not the same as ROMs.

 

[TheHeretic]

Copyright infringers

Sarcastic or not, this.

 

[antiquegamer]

You're getting upset at a minority of people pirating games but a big corporation knowingly selling faulty hardware to millions of consumers and getting away with it is okay? Which one is the bigger issue? Which one are you letting slide and which are you getting upset at?

Here's a legit reason to mod your 360, of course you'd have to be pretty hardcore to be interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhGS2zGxGlw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnE1J2Zw35w

I am not sure what are you getting at. At no point did I advocate that faulty hardware is OK unless you are mistaken my post for someone else.

However, faulty hardware is no reason to mod the system, be it as a "revenge" for the big bad company as an excuse to justify piracy. If you dislike Microsoft for their shitty hardware (trust me I have no love for their hardware, I have two fail 360), then don't buy their products, but to used that as excuse to mod? How is that even related? Modding hurt game developers even more whose company are relatively small compare to the like of Microsoft and Sony.

 

[PSGames]

Music and movies are not the same as ROMs.

That law states it only applies to catridges. So unless there's some other law out there you can legally copy CD and DVD games.

 

[Negaiido]

Under US law it's illegal.

but not everyone here lives in the US, in the netherlands its legal to make backups of your own games. I don't know why it should be illegal anyway. As long as you don't spread them.

 

[TheSeks]

Wow so when a 360 is banned you can't even access DLC content you might have legally purchased? :lol

If it's still on your modded hard-drive, yes you can access it depending on if it phones home (XBL servers) to check if your DRM is legit or not.

Some XBLA games (Most Sega ports...) phone home if the console ID is different from the console ID it has logged.

But in general, yes. If you get banned, you forfeit all rights to your stuff.

 

[minus_273]

Please link some highlights, I love this stuff.

all the comments about "offsite backup" disks are great

 

[SapientWolf]

I still don't understand why they don't ban the gamer tags. Yes, I realise it makes the pirates buy a new 360. Yet the hardware makes MS little to nothing (if not a loss) and banning the gamer tag actually gives a real incentive to not do it.

The golden rule of gaming is: Don't treat customers like filthy pirates, and treat filthy pirates like potential customers.

 

[AlphaTwo00]

The golden rule of software is: Don't treat customers like filthy pirates, and treat filthy pirates like potential customers.

Fixed. Windows, Office, Photoshop, etc. The list goes on and on...

 

[Piano]

Music and movies are not the same as ROMs.

Disc media =/= ROMs.

 

[border]

It looks as if Modern Warfare 2 just got released.

Pirates - 1
Microsoft - 1

 

[minus_273]

It looks as if Modern Warfare 2 just got released.

Pirates - 1
Microsoft - 1

i would make that microsoft - 2 . its like waving a red flag.

 

[The Faceless Master]

It seems from reading forums that pirates will stick machines on ebay and buy a new machine. They will still save money by not buying new games. The real losers, are the poor sods hoping to save money in the current economic climate (especially in the run up to Christmas), and finding themselves having bought a banned machine - with MS clearly demonstrating they won't listen to innocent parties. Don't see much to laugh at there personally.

that's part of it, MS wants you to buy new...

 

[border]

that's part of it, MS wants you to buy new...

The margin they make on a new machine is probably not enough to cover the costs of all the piracy detection, the costs of customer support for all these people getting stuck with banned boxes and the intangible PR cost of having to tell thousands of people that they aren't allowed on LIVE because the used system they bought is screwed.

Why would a pirate buy a new system though anyway? It's only going to be more difficult to mod, and you can get an older, more hackable pre-owned model for like $130 from Gamestop.

 

[Psychotext]

i would make that microsoft - 2 . its like waving a red flag.

Indeed.

I have some cheese for you little mouse... you just have to get it off the platform.

 

[expy]

Why would a pirate buy a new system though anyway? It's only going to be more difficult to mod, and you can get an older, more hackable pre-owned model for like $130 from Gamestop.

:lol :lol

 

[TheOddOne]

well I am just saying MS hardwear sucks and should not be allowed to be sold to the public, people buy this expensive hardwear and get something that breaks by just playing on it.. it was developed to be played on.

now I am posting this here in respons to the majority of people in this thread saying that MS should be banning these asholes who pirate games etc, I would agree with this if it was sony or nintendo who tried to ban people due to piracy and shit but I can not support MS and hope they burn in hell for making crap hardwear. if they cant even make a console that plays games without destroying the console they should not be allowed to be sell their console

Did your console get banned?

Because that wall of text looks like a breakdown.

Let me break it down:

1. now I am posting this here in respons to the majority of people in this thread saying that MS should be banning these asholes who pirate games

2. I would agree with this if it was sony or nintendo who tried to ban people due to piracy and shit

3. can not support MS and hope they burn in hell for making crap hardwear

4. if they cant even make a console that plays games without destroying the console they should not be allowed to be sell their console

 

[The Faceless Master]

The margin they make on a new machine is probably not enough to cover the costs of all the piracy detection, the costs of customer support for all these people getting stuck with banned boxes and the intangible PR cost of having to tell thousands of people that they aren't allowed on LIVE because the used system they bought is screwed.

Why would a pirate buy a new system though anyway? It's only going to be more difficult to mod, and you can get an older, more hackable pre-owned model for like $130 from Gamestop.

from what i've read, most pirates do 1 of 2 things.

1) buy new, swap their console and get a refund

2) buy new, swap the new console into the old shell and RMA the old one in the new shell to microsoft, meaning they now have TWO fresh consoles for the price of one

 

[polyh3dron]

The empty threats of leaving Microsoft for Sony. :lol

Oh the irony, considering the fact that you can't mod the PS3 to play pirated games.

I just hope that people who decided to put larger HDDs in their systems without paying an arm and a leg for them aren't being punished.

 

[border]

i would make that microsoft - 2 . its like waving a red flag.

Except they've already blown their cover; everyone knows that bannings are in effect, so they will download MW2 and just play it offline. The trap has been sprung before the tastiest bait was laid.

:lol :lol

I don't keep up with the modding scene. Has it actually gotten easier to modify newer model 360 systems? Microsoft can't be that bad with security, can they?

2) buy new, swap the new console into the old shell and RMA the old one in the new shell to microsoft, meaning they now have TWO fresh consoles for the price of one

If you've cracked the seal on both systems, I don't know why Microsoft would replace either one.

 

[PSGames]

from what i've read, most pirates do 1 of 2 things.

1) buy new, swap their console and get a refund

2) buy new, swap the new console into the old shell and RMA the old one in the new shell to microsoft, meaning they now have TWO fresh consoles for the price of one

How do people do this? I'm pretty sure Walmart and other places scan the serial number of the console making a simple "swap" not possible because the serial numbers wouldn't match.

 

[vumpler]

How do people do this? I'm pretty sure Walmart and other places scan the serial number of the console making a simple "swap" not possible because the serial numbers wouldn't match.

 

[TheOddOne]

Oh the irony, considering the fact that you can't mod the PS3 to play pirated games.

So true :lol

 

[fanboi]

I'm also a pirate.

Spoiler

On tonights fuck awesome Halloween party, yeeeeeeeah

 

[SapientWolf]

Oh the irony, considering the fact that you can't mod the PS3 to play pirated games.

I just hope that people who decided to put larger HDDs in their systems without paying an arm and a leg for them aren't being punished.

I think those people just lose out on BC support.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Except they've already blown their cover; everyone knows that bannings are in effect, so they will download MW2 and just play it offline. The trap has been sprung before the tastiest bait was laid.

indeed, people will just play offline... or on their banned consoles.

I don't keep up with the modding scene. Has it actually gotten easier to modify newer model 360 systems? Microsoft can't be that bad with security, can they?

from what i've read:
the newest Liteons coming into circulation (still not in wide circulation) are currently uncracked.
the Liteons before that are easy to mod, just needing a DOS application to get the key.
the Liteons before that batch need hardware to extract the key.
and the Samsung, Hitachi and BenQ are all easily done.

If you've cracked the seal on both systems, I don't know why Microsoft would replace either one.

as someone pointed out, with the pics of a hair dryer, etc, it's trivial to remove the seals without cracking them.

 

[elrechazado]

Sarcastic or not, this.

Yeah, I wasn't being sarcastic. Copyright infringement is not theft. Burglary isn't theft either, but people like to think everything is the same and not use the correct terms for what things are, so we get rabid monkeys flinging verbal poo in threads like this, calling copyright infringers thieves because that's the line that the media companies want you to ape. Despite the fact that legally it is not correct.

 

[expy]

from what i've read:
the newest Liteons coming into circulation (still not in wide circulation) are currently uncracked.
the Liteons before that are easy to mod, just needing a DOS application to get the key.
the Liteons before that batch need hardware to extract the key.
and the Samsung, Hitachi and BenQ are all easily done.

I think the new drives have been cracked but those flash-mods haven't been released yet.

 

[The Faceless Master]

I think those people just lose out on BC support.

only if they don't restore partition 2.

 

[speculawyer]

If they have a way of accurately banning pirates, I am all for that.

 

[Minamu]

Some dude on my friends list claims to have played Forza 3 online & even placed bids/cars in the auction house & he's still not banned. How come? Would be hilarious to see him go tbh

 

[expy]

Some dude on my friends list claims to have played Forza 3 online & even placed bids/cars in the auction house & he's still not banned. How come? Would be hilarious to see him go tbh

Microsoft isn't that efficient.

Spoiler

They'll never catch everyone.

 

[The Faceless Master]

How do people do this? I'm pretty sure Walmart and other places scan the serial number of the console making a simple "swap" not possible because the serial numbers wouldn't match.

from what i've read, most places don't really check the serial number on the console, they just check to see if the power supply, av cords and controller are there, if that much.

 

[Gomu Gomu]

This thread made me so happy. Those pirate fucks have no idea what kind of money and effort it takes for a company to make a video game.

If you are banned, then fuck you, you deserve it. If you haven't been banned yet, then fuck you too. I hope your day comes next.

 

[expy]

This thread made me so happy. Those pirate fucks have no idea what kind of money and effort it takes for a company to make a video game.

If you are banned, then fuck you, you deserve it. If you haven't been banned yet, then fuck you too. I hope your day comes next.

I think most of the discussion lately has been about possibly innocent purchasers of second-hand 360's getting screwed over.

 

[jibblypop]

Everyone keeps thinking microsoft is detecting their firmware somehow. Couldn't they do something much simpler. For example couldn't someone working for Microsoft go to the biggest torrent sites, download all their biggest games like Call of Duty or whatever and just log any IP addresses that are downloading from them?
Then they could simply check if a console with that same IP address logs in and plays the game that they know for sure they downloaded. As soon as you play a game that they saw you download then BAN.

It seems like the easiest way for them to do it.

 

[Gospel]

I'm also a pirate.

Spoiler

On tonights fuck awesome Halloween party, yeeeeeeeah

:lol

 

[expy]

Everyone keeps thinking microsoft is detecting their firmware somehow. Couldn't they do something much simpler. For example couldn't someone working for Microsoft go to the biggest torrent sites, download all their biggest games like Call of Duty or whatever and just log any IP addresses that are downloading from them?
Then they could simply check if a console with that same IP address logs in and plays the game that they know for sure they downloaded. As soon as you play a game that they saw you download then BAN.

It seems like the easiest way for them to do it.

That's a horrible way of doing it. lol

 

[vumpler]

This thread made me so happy. Those pirate fucks have no idea what kind of money and effort it takes for a company to make a video game.

If you are banned, then fuck you, you deserve it. If you haven't been banned yet, then fuck you too. I hope your day comes next.

.

 

[jibblypop]

That's a horrible way of doing it. lol

I don't see why. I don't mean literally some guy writing them down. Just some script running.

 

[HallucinatingElvis]

Except they've already blown their cover; everyone knows that bannings are in effect, so they will download MW2 and just play it offline. The trap has been sprung before the tastiest bait was laid.

chances are they have already been banned from live, I find it hard to believe those with modded consoles have been staying offline till a big game drops.

 

[Gomu Gomu]

I think most of the discussion lately has been about possibly innocent purchasers of second-hand 360's getting screwed over.

I'm sorry for those I guess. But I think I made myself clear.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

Those guys are just trying to scare everybody. There's nothing to worry about. C'mon, share stories about how you're sticking it to the man.

Troll much? All you people baiting people to admit to piracy should be banned, too.

 

[see5harp]

Seriously...the righteousness is sickening. It's perfectly acceptable to request MKV support but everyone is up in arms about the games industry (which is probably doing much better than the music and film industry). If you are going to criticize, at least be consistent.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

I like how some of the posters in this thread are somehow offended at the idea that anyone would ever pirate games, like it effects them in any way shape or form.

 

[Tmac]

This thread made me so happy. Those pirate fucks have no idea what kind of money and effort it takes for a company to make a video game.

If you are banned, then fuck you, you deserve it. If you haven't been banned yet, then fuck you too. I hope your day comes next.

Seriously...

 

[MikeE21286]

It looks as if Modern Warfare 2 just got released.

Pirates - 1
Microsoft - 1

I can't understand why someone would play this game early. It's like just saying I I don't want to play on XBL ever again....and that's the best part of CoD games :/

 

[The Faceless Master]

I don't see why. I don't mean literally some guy writing them down. Just some script running.

open wifi or wep + popular game = easy bans on innocents.