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Should American schools end "summer break"?

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The resistance (seen in this thread) will likely keep it from hapopening: out of tradition. Parents wanting the same summer they had as kids, etc. It is a decision that the Federal Goverment could theoretically encourage districts to conform through money being distributed but I doubt it would happen for a couple decades on any large scale.

Here is a proposed study from Mara B. Huber, PhD
Special Asst. to the President for Educational Initiatives (updated 30 July 2008)

I think it sums up the issue well.

Please state your expected outcomes. What is the anticipated impact of the project?

In the short term our summer programs seek to ease what has been termed a “summer lag” in learning. Additional school-based activities can provide young people with a positive alternative to spending time on the streets or being home alone in the afternoons or summer months. There is a growing body of research evidence indicating that high-quality extended learning programs can reduce risk-taking behaviors, provide positive developmental opportunities, and improve the academic performance of students, particularly those at risk of academic failure (CCSSO, 2009). In fact, students can lose up to two months of learning and require significant time for review at the beginning of the next academic year if not stimulated during the summer months.

When framed within alarming dropout rates and low student achievement, especially in urban districts with large percentages of underserved students, the summer becomes an important opportunity for academic intervention as well as acceleration. Since 2007 the Buffalo Public Schools has committed to providing an Extended Learning Opportunity Program through which students receive an additional 20 days of instruction beyond the traditional school year. While initial evaluation data suggest that the ELOP is associated with enhanced literacy performance, it is not designed to engage them in the sciences, technology or engineering which is critical for students; especially underserved students in the middle grades.

Research has shown that an extended gap in academic activity such as the summer months not only suspends academic growth in students but that these gaps may even result in a decline in academic progress from the previous school years’ demonstrated learning. Our follow up with students, parents and teachers from the CEC’s 2008 and 2009 summer programming revealed that students went into the school year feeling confident that they had “learned things over the summer that were only now being introduced in their classes”, placing them in a comfortable position to mentor other students and advance even further academically during the school year.

Many cities are adopting summer iniatives for young people but much of this requires someone to get the kid there and not loaf away for almost one-fifth of a year.
 
Our students are slacking in STEM because of the way we teach it, not because they have summer break. Decades ago when we were dominant in STEM subjects, we still had summer break, so that's not really a strong argument for removing it.


Summer break also gives students the opportunity to explore other interests, take prolonged vacations, rest, relax, and so on and so forth.
 
I mention scores because you have to, at some point, assess the skill. You determine their skill level with a score, not with what you "think" they are capable of. Only certain tests (usually whatever the state standardized one) lead to funding changes. I am not talking about those. I am talking about a test that is comprised of a kid reading a passage and the teacher scoring for accuracy/fluency/speed.

Also, I did address your concern. From what I gather, you wanted to know why the given time isn't sufficient. My answer is a lot of the problem has to do with under prepared children coming in to the classroom. More instruction time equates to more learning (to a certain level).

I should have restated my case a few more times.

So September to May is not sufficient. How much more instruction time will address the problem?
 
The whole idea of global competition is stupid.

You wanna work harder while all the economic disparities continue? Who gives a shit? We gotta be number 1, huh? Yes, let's keep pretending there is some kinda fucking cultural superiority in our land of chintzy and depressing outdoor malls and gas stations and loudmouthed fucking retards on TV arguing for the sake of being right and getting ratings, and threads about Taco Bells new fucking Dorito shelled tacos (fuck you, shit brained advertising-by-proxy, commercial-consciousness threadmakers!) and Dortio's taco shelled blah blah blah blah. Yes God Bless us, lets work harder so we can continue to homogenize any real culture left on the planet. We're trailblazers.

Fuck STEM, BTW. Some people find those subjects insufferably boring. What's with this fucking cultural fascism as of late. Without the arts and humanities we'd be committing suicide in droves. AT least the fucking Europeans understand the value of the Arts GODDAMMIT.

ITS STUPID I TELL YA
 
Our students are slacking in STEM because of the way we teach it, not because they have summer break. Decades ago when we were dominant in STEM subjects, we still had summer break, so that's not really a strong argument for removing it.


Summer break also gives students the opportunity to explore other interests, take prolonged vacations, rest, relax, and so on and so forth.

If we were ever first in education it was probably by default after WWII. I don't think anything has changed as far as school goes.
 
Our students are slacking in STEM because of the way we teach it, not because they have summer break. Decades ago when we were dominant in STEM subjects, we still had summer break, so that's not really a strong argument for removing it.


Summer break also gives students the opportunity to explore other interests, take prolonged vacations, rest, relax, and so on and so forth.

Society is also a lot different today from back then. Today, there are so many distractions such as tvs, the internet, gadgets like ipods, video games, ipads, cell phones, etc., and many more opportunities to get into trouble like joining gangs.

I would also argue that the family dynamic was also different back then when there was at least one parent at home at all times to help and teach kids compared to today where both parents are usually working or the single parent is working and leaving the kids home alone.
 
The whole idea of global competition is stupid.

You wanna work harder while all the economic disparities continue? Who gives a shit? We gotta be number 1, huh? Yes, let's keep pretending there is some kinda fucking cultural superiority in our land of chintzy and depressing outdoor malls and gas stations and loudmouthed fucking retards on TV arguing for the sake of being right and getting ratings, and threads about Taco Bells new fucking Dorito shelled tacos (fuck you, shit brained advertising-by-proxy, commercial-consciousness threadmakers!) and Dortio's taco shelled blah blah blah blah. Yes God Bless us, lets work harder so we can continue to homogenize any real culture left on the planet. We're trailblazers.

Fuck STEM, BTW. Some people find those subjects insufferably boring. What's with this fucking cultural fascism as of late. Without the arts and humanities we'd be committing suicide in droves. AT least the fucking Europeans understand the value of the Arts GODDAMMIT.

ITS STUPID I TELL YA

You are officially my new favorite junior.
 
The whole idea of global competition is stupid.

You wanna work harder while all the economic disparities continue? Who gives a shit? We gotta be number 1, huh? Yes, let's keep pretending there is some kinda fucking cultural superiority in our land of chintzy and depressing outdoor malls and gas stations and loudmouthed fucking retards on TV arguing for the sake of being right and getting ratings, and threads about Taco Bells new fucking Dorito shelled tacos (fuck you, shit brained advertising-by-proxy, commercial-consciousness threadmakers!) and Dortio's taco shelled blah blah blah blah. Yes God Bless us, lets work harder so we can continue to homogenize any real culture left on the planet. We're trailblazers.

Fuck STEM, BTW. Some people find those subjects insufferably boring. What's with this fucking cultural fascism as of late. Without the arts and humanities we'd be committing suicide in droves. AT least the fucking Europeans understand the value of the Arts GODDAMMIT.

ITS STUPID I TELL YA

A voice of reason in the wild.
 
The whole idea of global competition is stupid.

You wanna work harder while all the economic disparities continue? Who gives a shit? We gotta be number 1, huh? Yes, let's keep pretending there is some kinda fucking cultural superiority in our land of chintzy and depressing outdoor malls and gas stations and loudmouthed fucking retards on TV arguing for the sake of being right and getting ratings, and threads about Taco Bells new fucking Dorito shelled tacos (fuck you, shit brained advertising-by-proxy, commercial-consciousness threadmakers!) and Dortio's taco shelled blah blah blah blah. Yes God Bless us, lets work harder so we can continue to homogenize any real culture left on the planet. We're trailblazers.

Fuck STEM, BTW. Some people find those subjects insufferably boring. What's with this fucking cultural fascism as of late. Without the arts and humanities we'd be committing suicide in droves. AT least the fucking Europeans understand the value of the Arts GODDAMMIT.

ITS STUPID I TELL YA
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Reading Robert Oppenheimer's biography and he loved the arts much to the chagrin of some of his co-physicists. Some people are just weird and want to only deal with absolutes.
 
The summer break is too long in my opinion, the break should be dispersed throughout the year rather then very large chunks. I would often forget a lot of the specifics about a subject and then I would return to school and sit through days of reviewing last years work because everyone required a refresher.
 
Obviously lately American public schools have been lacking in teaching children the skill sets needed to be competitive in the global picture, especially in STEM subjects.

From what I understand the only reason the two and a half month summer break exists, was so kids could help on the family farm back when, well more than 1% of the population produced agriculture.

Would ridding this break be a good idea? I personally don't see a need for it anymore, other than a cultural tradition. Do other countries have this long of a break for no apparent reason?

The only cons to getting rid of the break that I can think of are: more taxpayer money going towards schools (which arguably, is a good thing of course) and a nuisance to kids everywhere. Have there been any realistic bills written in terms of this?

We can also discuss other problems with the American education system here, if desired.

Since many are not reading my other posts and this OP may make me seem small-minded or ANTI-FUN, I'm going to put more up here.



The fck?! why?


99% of the countries have a summer break

because


1. Kids need a break to be...KIDS
2. Breaks are needed to take a long struggle at school
3. they will get hardly any vacation when they enter the workforce
4. Internships!
5. Volunteering!
6. Going to school and HW is harder than a job. Sure its harder to get a job but its harder to get good grades, the pressure is higher. I know I went to school and now work.
7. Its summer time where families to go places, Kids go to spend time with their grand parents or other places for weeks.

What the hell?!
 
100% yes. Summer break is like 90% responsible for the achievement gap, and would probably improve income inequality and equality of opportunity overnight, provided it gets proper funding.
 
100% yes. Summer break is like 90% responsible for the achievement gap, and would probably improve income inequality and equality of opportunity overnight, provided it gets proper funding.

How would it do this? Freeing up the parents for the summer months?
 
"I got mine! Time to try and fuck it up for everyone else."

Damn man. The child version of you would probably beat the shit out of you.
 
Here's the thing. Schools wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the shit adults and shit children you are basically forced to interact with. If you loved everyone you went to school with, you'd want to go 6 days a week. You're a fucking kid, you go places and do things, that's your existence.

the problem is that School is a place full of trauma and social darwinism.

Make schools a place kids feel at home in, and where they love learning new things about anything and everything, and there are no set limits, and kids would want to live there.

Treat kids like animals or like kits on an assembly line and you get what we have here. Crapsack world.
 
I'd be willing to entertain the idea of taking some of the summer vacation days and transferring them to spring and winter break. But getting rid of them outright? Nah.
 
100% yes. Summer break is like 90% responsible for the achievement gap, and would probably improve income inequality and equality of opportunity overnight, provided it gets proper funding.

Is...is this serious? I don't think summer vacation would address the fact even if students went to school all year around that disadvantaged children would still be at a disadvantage. It would simply mean they're in a place with less available options and tools for them for a longer period of time during the year. There's a long ladder of stuff to help make things equal and fair for every individual and just tossing people into something for a longer period of time does not automatically address it.

What we need first is a better grasp on how to help those at a disadvantage and find ways to support them. If you have someone who feels school is a prison and doesn't help them get anything of note coming their way and only remove summer vacation, you've only made that feeling of prison a thing happening the entire year.
 
This is the real reason most schools will never get rid of break. They are struggling to get funding for 9 months, adding an extra 3 months would be devastating.
yep, and with stuff like running busses all those days...
could happen one day if schools become an online class.
 
Sure, not just in american schools.
Have there been any studies comparing the academic performance difference between schools in nations which have one massive "summer break" and those with more evenly spread out breaks?

It seems to me that doing several, shorter breaks, would be a better deal for the students.
They wouldn't get less total break time, nor would the school have to be open for longer - it'd be the same only without being such a massive rollercoaster dip.
 
But summer breaks aren't exclusive to the US. I'm pretty sure they have them everywhere else, at least I know they do in South America and surely we do in Europe, can't speak for the rest of the world but surely they have them too.
 
Personally yeah, I think they should. Look at the schools in this country that don't have summer vacation and instead break it up to a week here, a week there, kids still get time off to be kids, but they're performing much better in the classroom.

Summer vacation was great, I loved it as a kid, but I don't think I would've hated breaking it up into smaller parts. Especially during the dog days at the end of vacation, where it's so damn hot you don't want to go play outside anyway.
 
It's a terrible idea. How did we do just fine academically for decades and why aren't we doing well now? What changed? Because it sure as hell wasn't Summer vacation. Proposing such sweeping changes seems like a very unscientific way to go about things. The first things that should be looked at and rectified are things that changed. Unfortunately, no one wants to do that, because it's easier to propose dumb shit like this.
 
No, kids need an even longer break from the thought-homogenized structural burn-out mind-holocaust of public education.

Want kids to get smarter and not bully each-other? then don't throw them into the thrall of a system that resembles prison obedience.
 
It's a terrible idea. How did we do just fine academically for decades and why aren't we doing well now? What changed? Because it sure as hell wasn't Summer vacation. Proposing such sweeping changes seems like a very unscientific way to go about things. The first things that should be looked at and rectified are things that changed. Unfortunately, no one wants to do that, because it's easier to propose dumb shit like this.

How do we know we did fine academically for decades?
Based on what metrics?

Besides, it's not like the stuff we teach haven't remained unchanged throughout those decades so that alone might merit a change academically as there's no reason to assume that the same methods will work as our understanding of matters change.
 
American education isn't somehow significantly worse than it was 50 years ago, it's just that the world is increasingly globalized and there's a lot more competition. And when you're competing against dozens of other countries which don't have such long summer breaks, it makes it harder to justify a 2-3 month break between classes. I don't think anyone is really saying American kids should never have break or any fun, just that the current implementation of summer break might not be the best way to do it.
 
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There's a lot of hidden costs to this too, that shouldn't be ignored. The obvious hit to the tourism industry is one.

But a lot of schools in the northeast don't have air conditioning. When school starts in September and ends in mid June, this is fine because it might be warm, but it's kind of a "deal with it" sort of thing, because it's like 3 weeks out of the year.

If school were open in July and August and the days hit 90+, they'd absolutely have to make sure the schools were air conditioned, or they'd have to call a hot day or something. Nothing good will get done in a school that's 90 degrees.
 
But a lot of schools in the northeast don't have air conditioning. When school starts in September and ends in mid June, this is fine because it might be warm, but it's kind of a "deal with it" sort of thing, because it's like 3 weeks out of the year.
Yep. A surprising number of schools lack AC. Sitting in class in 90+ degree heat with high humidity makes it completely impossible to concentrate. It just wouldn't work.
 
There's a lot of hidden costs to this too, that shouldn't be ignored. The obvious hit to the tourism industry is one.

But a lot of schools in the northeast don't have air conditioning. When school starts in September and ends in mid June, this is fine because it might be warm, but it's kind of a "deal with it" sort of thing, because it's like 3 weeks out of the year.

If school were open in July and August and the days hit 90+, they'd absolutely have to make sure the schools were air conditioned, or they'd have to call a hot day or something. Nothing good will get done in a school that's 90 degrees.

Those are some very good points.
Though, the tourism industry wouldn't really get hit if all they did was just move around the summer break, to multiple double-week or even triple-week long breaks throughout the year.

Straight up shortening the summer break without adding extra breaks throughout the rest of the year is not a good idea.
 
It's a state issue anyway so they can if they want. My wife taught for a year in California in a school district that went year round and 7 years since in Ohio in a traditional schedule. From her experience, she would say absolutely that the traditional schedule is the best for students and the learning environment for many reasons.
 
The root of the problem is parents and will continue to be parents.

Parents give teacher power. Without power, teachers can't do anything. Its that simple.

If the parent don't rewards good grades and punish bad grades, then they kids won't care. Why work when the outcome is the same.

Think about it, if you get 3000 a month no matter you if work or if you stay home and play video game (or whatever you enjoy doing?). Which would you choose. How much power would your boss have over you?

Hard work is another issue. People make it like its immoral to instill work ethic to children. It like "OMG the kid is under 18, they shouldn't have pressure to work hard. EVerything should be fun!!!!!!!!" Well you know what? STEM subjects take a lot of hard work.
 
Regarding the "work hard" thing:

If you can make people learn more efficiently by making it fun, then school should be fun - it's as simple as that.

I guess the disagreement arise from conflicting (?) data.
 
Summer and winter break here in Korea are only about a month long each.

That and most kids are in school till 9-10pm.

#2 in the world, baby!

My students are awesome!
 
It's a state issue anyway so they can if they want. My wife taught for a year in California in a school district that went year round and 7 years since in Ohio in a traditional schedule. From her experience, she would say absolutely that the traditional schedule is the best for students and the learning environment for many reasons.

That's great, but probably not what I'm getting at. I'm suggesting a complete redesign of how schools work and how we treat children, not simply no summer break.
 
Summer and winter break here in Korea are only about a month long each.

That and most kids are in school till 9-10pm.

#2 in the world, baby!

My students are awesome!

What exactly are kids taught in Korea?

Is it like in Japan (mostly memorization of facts with little to no development of critical, creative, and analytical skills)?
 
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