sans_pants
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It's extremely easy to drive high
But I'd ban it because some jackasses would ruin it for everyone anyway
But I'd ban it because some jackasses would ruin it for everyone anyway
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Should driving while high on Marijuana be a crime?
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Of course it should be a crime.
However they need to update the science and stop conflating dui increases with accidents or deaths. And there's still no accurate meaningful blood test since effects are highly subjective per individual. But basically there's zero excuse for driving while intoxicated. Period. Take a goddamned uber. Or stay put.
However they need to update the science and stop conflating dui increases with accidents or deaths. And there's still no accurate meaningful blood test since effects are highly subjective per individual. But basically there's zero excuse for driving while intoxicated. Period. Take a goddamned uber. Or stay put.
People want to complain about teenagers doing this but I see more adults doing it than kids. It really is scary how some people are ignorant.
Saucycarpdog
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Ok I guess there is a consensus on this. My mistake making this thread. :/
Yeah, don't mean to sound possibly hyperbolic, but phones are the worst thing to happen to driving in the past recent years.
I was behind a car at a stoplight and the driver was just browsing through her Facebook shit and didn't even notice me beeping my horn after waiting a bit after the light turned green. Took three times to get her attention. It's bad.
If anything this thread just reinforces your point to your friend lol
robertsan21
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yes, it should. Its nuts that this is even a quesiton haha
Audioboxer
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As said a million times, of course. Anything which can alter your brain, perception or reflexes should be up for a potential ban/preventative measures/disciplinary action after an incident.
There's other prescribed medication that states not to drive or operate machinery on. If you were to cause an accident with it, the law would come down on you hard, no exceptions made if you're sick/unwell. If that's the case it should be public transport or lifts, and while that might make your life harder, it is what it is.
There's other prescribed medication that states not to drive or operate machinery on. If you were to cause an accident with it, the law would come down on you hard, no exceptions made if you're sick/unwell. If that's the case it should be public transport or lifts, and while that might make your life harder, it is what it is.
UnemployedVillain
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I can see a (50ish years from now) future where cars with steering wheels are only allowed on closed tracks and won't be considered street legal
OG Shaka Zulu
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Lol Yoooo what the heck type of accident is that? Dude walked out like it was just another Sunday.First you're like
Then
luckygodzilla
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
Any substance that impairs mental or physical capabilities should be rendered illegal while on the road. It's not just your life at stake.
How can you determine if someone is high? Roadside sobriety tests like walking the line, or following movement with your eyes are fine, but if you're over .08 on alcohol it's possible to still pass, which is why they give you a breathalyzer. You can't really test for marijuana that way, because elevated levels can be present even after abstaining for a month.
This is the biggest hurdle for legalisation in my mind. Obviously, you don't want people driving while high, but you also don't want people who smoked two days ago being busted for DUI.
This is the biggest hurdle for legalisation in my mind. Obviously, you don't want people driving while high, but you also don't want people who smoked two days ago being busted for DUI.
Skellig Gra
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You are right it is a stupid question. It should be illegal. I've been so high that I couldn't lift my head. That's an ok state to drive in?
shira
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Audioboxer
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Pretty much. Driving is a luxury, not a right. Of course everyone has the right to learn to drive, and get a license, but not everyone is as equally fit or stable to be roadworthy. As I said above it can suck if you cannot drive, but it's the best we can do in some situations to try and keep roads as safe as possible.
Sometimes zero tolerance policies are something humans need to live with for the greater good, as frustrating as they can be. Well, it's only frustrating until you're involved in an accident, or someone you know is, then it quickly moves from frustration to anger and upset.
In the not too distant future maybe driverless cars will be stable enough to cart drunk and stoned people around like kings, although that joke aside it'll probably still be the case law will require a lucid and capable passenger in a driverless car.
AntraxSuicide
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See, I just think they won't be insurable. You crash a car that wasn't self-driving and you get the whole bill.
Game2Death
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I'm going to break consensus and say...no. Unless it's a huge amount. There's already too many rules on the road to get people tickets/in trouble.
Maybe it could be a secondary offense if you do a large offense already. Even then just a ticket. I don't want police to have any other reason to be pulling people over.
The same way you measure alcoholness.
Only... something more appropriate for being high.
And, if there isn't an easy way to measure it, then maybe the level of impairedness is anecdotal/ overstated.
It's something we could probably do research on if it were just legal.
wesleyshark
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Anything that impairs your state of mind should prohibit you from driving, even some prescription painkillers, if you want to get technical.
NervousXtian
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Weed has differing effects on different people, and different strains can have varying effects as well.
The weed out there today is NOT the weed most people smoked in the 70's and 80's.. or 90's for that matter... it's incredibly, incredibly strong.
Now people who smoke ALL the time have adjusted to it, others can still get as bad as being blacked out drunk.
So yes, it should be illegal.
The weed out there today is NOT the weed most people smoked in the 70's and 80's.. or 90's for that matter... it's incredibly, incredibly strong.
Now people who smoke ALL the time have adjusted to it, others can still get as bad as being blacked out drunk.
So yes, it should be illegal.
Audioboxer
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They already do have warnings stating not to drive or operate machinery. Probably more so to cover the doctors/pharmaceutical companies ass, but still, if you had an accident while on some strong medication you'll probably end up with more charges to your name. Or of course, if you get pulled over and look out your face/slurring your words, you'll probably get taken in and hit with a reckless endangerment charges, even if it's just strong painkillers.
I was in a dui program, those classes you have to do.
There was a person there who got a dui for falling asleep in the car and flying off the road. We were informed dui doesn't always have to be drug related, just if you're off while driving.
So a doobie would qualify, even outside of it just being pot. It's a cop that's gonna make the call.
There was a person there who got a dui for falling asleep in the car and flying off the road. We were informed dui doesn't always have to be drug related, just if you're off while driving.
So a doobie would qualify, even outside of it just being pot. It's a cop that's gonna make the call.
Snowybreak
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Generally people advocating for legalization have a good grip on setting legal parameters like this. Driving under the influence of any mind-altering substance should be illegal. Whether it's alcohol or pot.
your average stoner probably isn't putting lives in danger lighting up and driving to the gas station for doritos but ideally you don't want to be impaired in any way behind the wheel even if its something innocuous like having being a tad drowsy from cough medicine
pot affects everybody differently but i can't stand even being in a car high. unless its some rural road i'm going down it feels like i'm shuttling through a death gauntlet in a metal coffin
pot affects everybody differently but i can't stand even being in a car high. unless its some rural road i'm going down it feels like i'm shuttling through a death gauntlet in a metal coffin
"License and registration please....OK that looks in order. Say, you know what sounds good? Peanut butter and tacos!"
If that gets a positive. Book em.
Audioboxer
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When pulled over it might be tough, but a lot of it would come from action after an incident. As in, if you're in a bash or cause some sort of accident and you're tested and drugs are in your system it might add to your charges/result in a further or permanent ban.
Obviously, alcohol testing is ahead, in that they can breathalyse. Some tests involving body coordination/movement can still be used. Otherwise, you'll be relying on intelligent cops making good judgement calls if someone is pulled over. Like slurring words, looking shitfaced, altered reflexes, etc (or even just the car smelling like a freshly burnt weed factory). For sure, when stoned sometimes it's hard to notice, but that's the world we live in and education often comes from trying to prevent.
Game2Death
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How can you say "no matter what statistics say". I don't have any on hand, but if there is not a problem of accidents or deaths happening because of it why should it be a crime at all?
Exactly ^
The study in the OP which shows no statistical increase in accident rates is from 2013, not the 70s.
Interesting how quickly people ignore scientific evidence if it conflicts with their own prejudices.
SDCowboy
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No joke, every day there are cars on the road around me swerving in and out of the lane, sporadic speed changes, or complete out of control...sure enough, they're almost always texting while driving. IMO, the punishment needs to start getting ramped up. Tickets obviously aren't solving it.
Honestly, texting drivers scare me a lot more than drunk or high drivers.
Duxxy3
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Perfect.
It's an interesting question and highly debatable. In my experiences, it is socially acceptable amongst stoners to drive while high. People dont typically openly acknowledge it and will deny it, but it is. Quite a few years I smoked weed everyday and hung around that crowd. Not once did anyone ever say or think, 'hey its not okay to drive when you're baked' Truthtfully.. I never felt unsafe while driving myself or with anyone else after smoking weed. In contrast, I could clearly recognize the danger in driving while drunk and never did. While I feel it is most definitely safer than driving drunk, it's not as safe as driving sober. It's in this weird in between but when in doubt, the safe answer is you should only drive while sober. Should it be penalized with the severity that alcohol is? Probably not.
Audioboxer
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Is it not illegal in America? It's clamped down on very harshly in the UK, and rightfully so. Hands-free kits are your only compromise.
UnemployedVillain
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That was the first question that went through my.mind when I posted. I'm not entirely sure actually, but if we could actually do research on it, I'm sure they could find something to measure.
That's another alternative, sure, but the type of efficiency you'd get with every car on the road being self driving, and potentially aware of each other, would be drastically lowered with even a few "manual" cars alongside them.
King Gilga
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What's wrong with this, how's it any different than driving with speakers blaring?
I ride with earphones in all the time.
Illegal in Ontario too. Still see idiots texting while driving even though the fine is like $300-400 + strikes against the drivers license.
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