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Should I start watching Star Trek TNG?

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I know this is an old post but I just have to address this.

What? Fist off, "The First Duty" is a good episode not just for the show but for Wesley.

Nick Locarno (characters name) used his overbearing personality to talk the rest of his squad into performing a banned stunt that they knew they weren't ready for and which ended up in one of them dying. And then he had them try to cover it up

How is that in any way noble?

The cover up wasn't noble, him taking the fall for the entire incident was what was noble. It's easy for Wesley to stand up and take the moral high-ground after he committed the act through guilt and shame, Nick as the leader on the other hand took complete responsibility for the incident in order to spare the rest of the team from punishment.

Really the only thing Nick did wrong was try to cover up the incident, bold decisions and thinking are what get you noticed at Starfleet, just look at Jim Kirk. Thus, Nick's attempt at the banned maneuver was indicative of the culture at Starfleet. What he did wrong was not owing up to the mess he created, lying to your superiors is conduct unbecoming of a Starfleet officer. And yet, his motivations for covering up the incident were never portrayed as pure personal ambition and a fear of reprimand. Rather, he seemed to fear letting his entire team down as a result of his actions.

Again, this is why I found Nick to have many noble traits that a Starfleet officer should carry. At the end of the day they could have portrayed him as some slick, charismatic leader who spewed talk about how he was their to look out for the team but in the end was only interested in himself. Yet, at the end he backed up his words, he took full responsibility of his actions and saved the rest of the team.

It's also why I firmly believe that he and Tom Paris are the same god damn character, it was just some serious backroom politics over royalties that made them change Tom's backstory. Nick=Tom and it's why he was one of the few interesting characters on Voyager.

Damar: To kill her and my son - the casual brutality of it, the waste of life... What kind of state tolerates the murder of innocent women and children? What kind of people give those orders?
Colonel Kira: Yeah, Damar, what kind of people give those orders...?

Tacking into the Wind - one of my favourite episodes in Trek.

I always hated Major Kira, but this is not a criticism of the writing of the character as the writers knew exactly what they were doing with her.
Major Kira to me represents the things I hate most in a person, ignorance and stubbornness. She is completely set in her way of doing things and her way of thinking and is guided purely by her emotional reactions to things. In many respects Ashley Williams in Mass Effect is a parallel to Major Kira. She refuses to accept another persons line of thinking and is completely unapologetic for the actions she took in resisting the Cardassians. That one episode, which name alludes me, where a former Cardassian servant goes on a vendetta against Major Kira's terrorist friends for killing his friends was one of the darkest episodes and really exposed the character of Major Kira to what she was. At the end of the episode when she learns that her attack killed a bunch of innocent servants and cooks who had nothing to do with the Cardassian occupation or her struggles she still remains unapologetic for her actions. She couldn't care less that a few "innocent" Cardassians died in the attack, so long as the objective was complete and the Cardassians got the message, leave Bajor. That is the thinking of a true terrorist, of an IRA or Al-Qaeda member, of Palestinians who commit acts of terror against Israel for occupying "their" land.

Major Kira lives in a world of absolutism, you're either a friend or an enemy and their is no compromise in between. I don't care very much for people much like that, I much rather prefer a character with more nuance such as Garak or Sisko. Those who are able to adapt with a situation, who can feel regret for a past mistake but still understand what needs to be done, and who aren't guided by blind emotion.
 
Really the only thing Nick did wrong was try to cover up the incident, bold decisions and thinking are what get you noticed at Starfleet, just look at Jim Kirk. Thus, Nick's attempt at the banned maneuver was indicative of the culture at Starfleet. What he did wrong was not owing up to the mess he created, lying to your superiors is conduct unbecoming of a Starfleet officer. And yet, his motivations for covering up the incident were never portrayed as pure personal ambition and a fear of reprimand. Rather, he seemed to fear letting his entire team down as a result of his actions.

There was also the bit about him shifting the blame onto the dead kid. When his teammates were clearly buckling under pressure on the stand, Nick stepped in a blamed his dead friend. And the rest of his friends were all aghast that he did that, but he said "Well, it's the truth, isn't it?" IIRC one of them even said "You don't know that", implying that Nick made it up. But by the end of the episode, Wesley is telling the court that Joshua really was the weak link in their group, and they all ignored the warning signs and pushed him to believe in himself. Because of... arrogance? Wait, that's not arrogance. They were apparently right about their own abilities, they were just wrong about Joshua.

The basic difference with this lie is that Nick was saying that Joshua messed up in the easier maneuver, not the harder one. And he didn't even want to say that much. Nick didn't want to put any blame at all on Joshua, not until he felt he had no choice. Nick kind of gets blamed for throwing his friend's memory under the bus, but at the same time he was also willing to lie to Starfleet in order to preserve his friend's memory. His dead friends are more important to him than his oath to Starfleet, but his living friends are even more important to him than his dead ones.

And then Joshua's father comes around and starts apologizing for his incompetent screwup of a dead son having endangered them, twisting the emotional knife. I mean, I know this guy is grieving, and Nick played up his son's incompetence, but I got the sense that this guy was used to calling his kid a screwup, and he might have been the source of Joshua's confidence problems. I mean, your son is dead, and these guys are fine. They aren't even mad, they just miss your son. Don't go around apologizing to them.
 
Marathon? That suggests you're going to watch the entire series for the 128 hours of show time in a row. :p

That's just a week. I imagine Masks is a hell of alot more enjoyable when you're delirious.
 
Who occupies the 3rd command chair on the bridge? Is it always Troi? Because that is fucking ridiculous
It is not, it is actually Data and/or Dr. Crusher, typically Data. This is addressed in a 6th Season episode.

The short answer is that Troi is not a Bridge Officer for the majority of TNG. She has the nominal rank of Lieutenant Commander, but she cannot take control of the ship at all unless she qualifies for it.

She's mostly on the bridge because she can empathically read read foreign dignitaries and enemy captains.

It's mainly for visiting dignitaries and not for command. Data is the 2nd officer.

Correct, although I believe in certain scenarios Crusher can take command over Data since she outranks him and is qualified, even though Data is listed as the Second Officer.
 
It is not, it is actually Dr. Crusher, then Data. This is addressed in a 6th Season episode.

The short answer is that Troi is not a Bridge Officer for the majority of TNG. She has the nominal rank of Lieutenant Commander, but she cannot take control of the ship over Crusher, who outranks her and is a Bridge officer, or Data, who holds the same rank, but is a Bridge Officer.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Thine_Own_Self_(episode)

Troi needed to take the commander test to get the rank of commander
 
It is not, it is actually Data and/or Dr. Crusher, typically Data. This is addressed in a 6th Season episode.

The short answer is that Troi is not a Bridge Officer for the majority of TNG. She has the nominal rank of Lieutenant Commander, but she cannot take control of the ship at all unless she qualifies for it.

She's mostly on the bridge because she can empathically read read foreign dignitaries and enemy captains.



Correct, although I believe in certain scenarios Crusher can take command over Data since she outranks him and is qualified, even though Data is listed as the Second Officer.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Thine_Own_Self_(episode)

Troi needed to take the commander test to get the rank of commander

Pretty sure she's a Bridge Officer. She's often counted as a Senior Officer
even before her promotion to Lt. Comm.
 
Pretty sure she's a Bridge Officer. She's often counted as a Senior Officer
even before her promotion to Lt. Comm.

You have to take the exam in order to take command; Data does it all the time. She is "on" the Bridge, but she is not a Bridge Officer before she takes the Bridge Officer's exam in "Thine Own Self." Its unusual for the counselor to be on the bridge, she just has psychic powers so it makes sense.
 
I always imagine the reason they keep Troi around is because here demeanour allows her to be a proficient diplomat. Picard is a great diplomat, but if Riker has one failing it's that he is too brash, direct and, as the chain of command two parter demonstrated, a bit immature. Troi is a good combo for Riker if Picard is ever incapacitated.
 
It's also why I firmly believe that he and Tom Paris are the same god damn character, it was just some serious backroom politics over royalties that made them change Tom's backstory. Nick=Tom and it's why he was one of the few interesting characters on Voyager.

There's really no "belief about this." While they'll never come out an admit it, their "official" line is so flimsy it's not worth acknowledging.

"Lorcano was irredeemable, but Tom was not". Nick led a team to do something dangerous and someone screwed up and one person was killed and he tried to cover it up. Tom screwed up, killed 3 officers and covered it up.
 
Watched "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "The Offspring" today and really liked both episodes. Parts of The Offspring felt forced, but I liked a lot of the ideas it brought up.

Currently watching "Captain's Holiday" and nothing Picard wears in this episode effectively hides his thunder - it's very distracting.
 
:D What have been your favorite episodes thus far? Favorite character?

"The measure of a man" has been my favorite so far. I love any episode Q is in but as far as regulars I really like Riker and Data.

I really liked Sliders when I was younger and in a way TNG is like that show but a billion times better (of course) . What I mean is that it's cool to see where a show I liked got some influence, not that they are comparable.
Will be nice to check out DS9 after this ride.
 
Will be nice to check out DS9 after this ride.

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"The measure of a man" has been my favorite so far. I love any episode Q is in but as far as regulars I really like Riker and Data.

I really liked Sliders when I was younger and in a way TNG is like that show but a billion times better (of course) . What I mean is that it's cool to see where a show I liked got some influence, not that they are comparable.
Will be nice to check out DS9 after this ride.

Yay! That's the episode I kept saying was a necessity. Picard kicks so much ass in that episode, and it just sets the tone going forward.

Q is without a doubt the best guest character. His interactions with Picard are always grin worthy, and keep Picard, and Q, on each other's game. Be sure to watch the Q episodes on both Voyager and DS9 afterwards as you enjoy the character so much!

I loved Sliders growing up as well. Jerry O'Connell was a favorite actor of mine because of that show. Shame that show ended it such terrible shambles as it did. The first two seasons will always be very good television to me.
 
I don't k ow if this has been asked, but any idea when the HD remasters are going to be on Netflix? I don't want to watch it all again in 80s quallity.
 
Watched "Yesterday's Enterprise" and "The Offspring" today and really liked both episodes. Parts of The Offspring felt forced, but I liked a lot of the ideas it brought up.

Currently watching "Captain's Holiday" and nothing Picard wears in this episode effectively hides his thunder - it's very distracting.
Heh, I watched it just last month and never noticed. Got a little jamaharon on the mind?
 
I don't k ow if this has been asked, but any idea when the HD remasters are going to be on Netflix? I don't want to watch it all again in 80s quallity.

Not sure if they will. I know Amazon has Seasons1-3 are up full HD for TNG. Season 4 only 16 episodes are up for some reason.
 
Yay! That's the episode I kept saying was a necessity. Picard kicks so much ass in that episode, and it just sets the tone going forward.

Q is without a doubt the best guest character. His interactions with Picard are always grin worthy, and keep Picard, and Q, on each other's game. Be sure to watch the Q episodes on both Voyager and DS9 afterwards as you enjoy the character so much!

I loved Sliders growing up as well. Jerry O'Connell was a favorite actor of mine because of that show. Shame that show ended it such terrible shambles as it did. The first two seasons will always be very good television to me.
Yeah I watched a few from season one and a few from season two and jumped into season three. I think I might go back to the ones I skipped especially since now I know prime has them in HD.

Yeah Sliders was something special in those first couple seasons. I'm quite find and nostalgic of them.
 
Yeah I watched a few from season one and a few from season two and jumped into season three. I think I might go back to the ones I skipped especially since now I know prime has them in HD.

Yeah Sliders was something special in those first couple seasons. I'm quite find and nostalgic of them.

Yup, with HD available now there's no doubt! I'm gonna watch some later myself :D

Wade was hot <3
 
Is the HD Free for Amazon Prime or no? Can't check at the moment.

Oh I did not realized there were two different version of TNG. I'll be using my Prime membership to watch TNG then. I am going to watch every episode instead of playing the skipping game. It'll be painful at times, but I survived the first season of Buffy and Angel.
 
Who literally sat down and thought, "You know what's a good idea for a plot? Dr. Crusher leaves Starfleet so she can get ghost orgasms from her grandmother's spectral lover!"

And who said, "That's fine, just make them go to space Scotland or something."
 
Who literally sat down and thought, "You know what's a good idea for a plot? Dr. Crusher leaves Starfleet so she can get ghost orgasms from her grandmother's spectral lover!"

And who said, "That's fine, just make them go to space Scotland or something."

Jeri Taylor apparently. FYI from what I remember, Taylor was a soap writer before she came to TNG.
 
Who literally sat down and thought, "You know what's a good idea for a plot? Dr. Crusher leaves Starfleet so she can get ghost orgasms from her grandmother's spectral lover!"

And who said, "That's fine, just make them go to space Scotland or something."

In fairness, it was surrounded by episodes such as "Enterprise turns into an ancient alien temple" and "Crew's DNA is rewritten and they de-evolve."

Season 7 had a lot of turds.
 
In fairness, it was surrounded by episodes such as "Enterprise turns into an ancient alien temple" and "Crew's DNA is rewritten and they de-evolve."

Season 7 had a lot of turds.

Masks is one of my guilty pleasures. It's just so WTF haha.
 
I think the guilty pleasure quality of Masks would be higher if the episode weren't so deathly dull and full of itself. Sub Rosa is at least entertaining in a high camp kind of way.
 
Lower Decks was a real bright spot in Season 7 and TNG in general. Loved the look at life outside the bridge crew

And just a little bit before Lower Decks was the awesome twosome of Parallels and The Pegasus. It's an uneven season (I'd say the second worst) but there are some gems in there.
 
Can't see the love for Lower Decks. Thought it was typical of the lazy writing of season 7.

I for one don't believe for a second that Picard would request Sito Jaxa for his ship
 
I thought Preemptive strike was a great send-off for Ro. TNG merging into DS9 territory a little bit with that one.
 
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