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Should Microsoft buy Sega?

Should Microsoft buy Sega from Sega Sammy Holdings?


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Dizagaox

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A spinoff of this thread, I ask NeoGAF-ers the question:

Should Microsoft buy Sega from Sega Sammy Holdings?

Some context for why Microsoft buying out companies has become a hot discussion: Microsoft is sitting on approximately $138B of cash (mostly overseas), and shareholders want it used up now because Trump has introduced a low one-time tax policy that won't last as it's not sustainable. That FOMO is why Microsoft might very well make so insanely huge acquisitions. Now throw in Microsoft wanting to push and grow its Xbox Game Pass service into the video game equivalent to Netflix, and the changes in leadership, the idea of Microsoft buying out Electronic Arts isn't absurd. They need to spend that $138B on companies that altogther bring an R.O.I. of at the very least 115.5%, in order for their balance sheet to stay, well, balanced. So buying a money maker like Valve or EA isn't crazy. It's a safe move for Microsoft that will also guarantee the thing that's missing from Xbox... Exclusive content!

Sega seems like a company that is more valuable for the IPs it owns than any of the games its actually releasing. Parent company Sega Sammy Holdings has a market capital valuation of $4.9B, but most of that will be down to the Sammy half of the company, which is honestly dragged down by the Sega half. However Sega does have strong, good IPs, it has great-to-competent developers including the masters of JRPGs Atlus, and its a brand that people trust the world over. Sorta. Well definitely in Japan.

Buying out Sega would give Microsoft actual clout in the Japanese market. Something like the "Sega Xbox" would get noticed, and with strong IPs, especially something like Game Pass if it included brilliantly insane exclusives from the Sega/Atlus library, it would sell systems. Internationally, the idea of all future Sega and Atlus games being Xbox exclusives also makes Game Pass more appealing.

There's more arguments for such a potential buy out, and there will be many against it too. So let's discuss!
 
Microsoft has whole vault of IPs they are not using. Unless something can be changed into micro transaction vessel they are not interested.
 
No way.

SEGA is too legendary to get bought by M$.

SEGA is the king of arcade and has one of the best video game history.

I don't want Microsoft kill the true feeling and spirit of SEGA.

SEGA has made the most beautiful consoles ever, and still owns some iconic and mythical franchises.

They don't need Microsoft at all.
 
Microsoft has a bunch of IPs from rare that they could use buying Sega wouldn't really help them out. I do think that one of the big three should buy Capcom. Nintendo needs them most for mature and fighting games , it would lock down the Japanese audience for Microsoft, or solidify Sony's dominance.

edit: i forgot Sega owns atlus now so I do think that that would get the jrpg crowd to move to xbox.
 
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They need to build talented studios and nurture talent, grow the industry organically along with their exclusives. They have so so many awesome IP's that are just dormant... it's a shame. They really need to define themselves and project a philosophy and character for the xbox brand that people can identify with.
 
Should MS buy Nintendo?

Buying out Nintendo would give Microsoft actual clout in the Japanese market.Something like the "Nintendo Xbox" would get noticed, and with strong IPs, especially something like Game Pass if it included brilliantly insane exclusives from the Nintendo library, it would sell systems. Internationally, the idea of all future Nintendo games being Xbox exclusives also makes Game Pass more appealing.
 
most Sega IP is strictly "legacy" stuff. like, it means a lot to us but won't necessarily translate to ca$h money in today's industry where 5 million units sold is just "okay"

still it wouldn't be a terrible buy given MS could lowball and walk away with a deal. not trying to shit on sega but they're really more of an umbrella corporation now doing a lot of different things to remain profitable on their end as opposed to being a "force of the industry"
 
Microsoft buying Sega would certainly shake things up a bit, but I'm not sure if it makes as much sense as you're thinking. I feel like Sega (and subsequently Atlus et al) are doing well now specifically because they're releasing multi-platform games based on their existing, proven IPs. If you take multi-platform releases out of the picture do you think games like Sonic, which are typically released everywhere, would be as popular? Inversely, do you think people (especially in Japan) would buy a Yakuza, Hatsune Miku, or Valkyria game that wasn't on Playstation? To that end, would sequels of existing IP's franchises that haven't ever been on Xbox sell well as Xbox exclusives? I think people that don't own an Xbox this generation but enjoy Sega's games (see again: most of Japan) would probably just be salty about it.

Like I said, that type of purchase would certainly shake things up. I just don't know if it would be a good fit.
 
Well you said that the idea of MS buying EA isn't absurd and EA has a higher net worth than Nintendo.So why stop at Sega?
Nintendo isn't going to sell to Microsoft, and if it did, it wouldn't be for anything less than more than Microsoft's entire cash reserve.

EA is a different story because the company now only exists for one sole purpose - to make its shareholders money.
 
No, Sega has very little value compared to the output they used to have, and meanwhile, MS has plenty of amazing IP they sit on and don't do shit with. I don't see how this would work out in anyones favor in the long run. Sega diehards love them for their quirk and Japanese centric design which is entirely at odds with what the typical Xbox fan wants, just as we saw with their output on the original Xbox (flop after flop).

It would be a match made in hell, even the cute idea of rebranding Xbox a Sega console in Japan wouldn't likely matter as Sega systems weren't typically that popular there, and the ones that were, were not because of anything modern Sega can do.
 
I voted for NO as I don't feel Sega have much to offer these days.

As many have already pointed out, Microsoft have a mountain of IP they should be working with.
 
Nintendo isn't going to sell to Microsoft, and if it did, it wouldn't be for anything less than more than Microsoft's entire cash reserve.

EA is a different story because the company now only exists for one sole purpose - to make its shareholders money.

Nintendo is a publicly traded company, it is no different than EA. If Microsoft made a decent enough offer it would be up to Nintendo to convince their shareholders why they shouldn't accept some sweet profits.

I think personally they should just pick up a swag of companies like Capcom, Konami, maybe even look at companies like epic and ubisoft.
 
No. While Sega has some good stuff (Yakuza, VF etc.), MS should be focusing on getting exclusives. They need reasons to convince people to turn on their XB1s and people that don't have them to buy one. Although, at this point in the gen it might be too late for that.....
 
No, Sega has very little value compared to the output they used to have,
I find that to be wrong. If we talking about a studio(like midway before WB bought them and became Netherrealm) whose only game that is worth a damn, then sure I agree. But Sega got Yakuza, Sonic, Valkyria, Football Manager, Total war , Warhammer 40k,SMT, Persona. So I say you are wrong that they have little value when they own these games. Microsoft would be winning the jackpot if they ever bought Sega. Hypothetically speaking that is.
 
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No. Yakuza is amazing right now and "if it ain't broke" & whatnot...

With that said, I'd love to see a return to the early Xbox days where MS bankrolled things like JSRF. Semi-exclusivity in that regards'd be wonderful, and is exactly what both companies need right now. I'd love to see my Xbone become a Sega machine again, all without MS's tendrils in every single thing they do.
 
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I can understand why they would want to and if I was MS or any of the big 3 I can see depending on the price how much it would be a good buy but I really wouldn't want Sega to be bought out. Stranger things have happened though so who knows what's in the cards going forward. I think Sega wouldn't allow it either to be honest.
 
You don't buy a company which is heavily focused on the Japanese market where u have a laughable 1% market share. Almost all Microsoft first party studios are based in NA/Europe and Canada. I can guarantee you that if Microsoft wants to flex their muscle in terms of a buyout, it will be a western developer/publisher.

Look at the history of MS acquisitions in all industries (not a single Japanese company)
Wikipedia

Cultural and language barriers is a bigger problem than people may think.
 
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Instead of buying Sega, Microsoft would be better off funding a few Sega exclusives. A new JSR, Shinobi, Panzer Dragoon, OutRun etc would help to make the Xbox more attractive. It really needs more cult exclusives.
 
What is up with these threads? Anyway, if MS was to ever buy Sega, it probably would have been much more beneficial for them to do that during a much earlier console generation. According to Google, Sega joined up with Sammy in 2004, which was a year before the 360 hardware release - if they'd put out that console as a branded Sega console in Japan, perhaps it would have had a better chance at building up a presence over there that generation as well as now, however I am still not sure if any of that matters (besides at least showing up for the party, does MS really care what kind of presence their consoles hold in Japan?) The same question really rings true when it comes to this thread, overall. Yes they'd get some IPs, and some - I suppose, Japanese goodwill - but I can't think it would ever really be high on their agenda for many reasons.

Never minding all of that, would Sega even be interested in an acquisition by an American company? Yes, the company was started by an American, and was partly American-owned for many years, but that was so many decades ago, and before it developed into the cultural identity that it is now. Moreover - and I say this as not only a fairly well-read Sega fanboy from the 16-bit days, but someone who worked on western developed/ Sega published games in the past decade - there's always been no shortage of friction between Sega of Japan and whatever they have going on over here. In short, I don't know if they would ever be keen on selling out to a Western company, even one as big as Microsoft. I mean - is there even a precedent for this? It's happened the other way around, for sure, but I am not sure I can think of an instance where a medium to large size Japanese company (like Sega or otherwise) has been acquired by a Western behemoth?
 
I vote yes but no exclusive games ala minecraft.

Do you really believe that Minecraft was kept on competing platforms out of the kindness of their hearts? Or because Spencer is such a true gamer?

There were legal issues that meant it wasn't worth the trouble taking the game down from PSN. And there is a good chance that it was a contractual clause.

Having said that, if Microsoft bought SEGA, they would absolutely keep all future games away from PlayStation platforms.
 
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I find that to be wrong. If we talking about a studio(like midway before WB bought them and became Netherrealm) whose only game that is worth a damn, then sure I agree. But Sega got Yakuza, Sonic, Valkyria, Football Manager, Total war , Warhammer 40k,SMT, Persona. So I say you are wrong that they have little value when they own these games. Microsoft would be winning the jackpot if they ever bought Sega. Hypothetically speaking that is.

Almost all of those games would flop on Xbox. Consider how these titles performed both on Xbox and 360. Even at the height of 360s popularity where it was getting big budget, exclusive jrpgs, they were under performing to the point MS basically pulled out of it all entirely. Sure, some diehards would go buy the system, just as we bought the original Xbox for those amazing Sega games, but I imagine it would be pretty narrow especially in Japan.

I won't say the move could never work, but MS has tried to get into various markets and failed every time. They have never really cracked Japanese fans and they failed to get the "Nintendo fan" with Rare. Sega couldn't even keep their own consoles afloat, I doubt their IP has enough pull to do the Xbox any big favors. Also, even these successful Sega IP are not that big, Yakuza doesn't typically even break a million WW to my understanding, those are figures that sink MS properties routinely. MS is a company that demands seemingly a minimum of 3+ million sellers, else your IP is going to be shit canned.

Since Sega as an entity is basically dead to me (I say this as a diehard fan) I really couldn't care less about where they go, I just think it would be dumb for MS to bother. Even if it were Nintendo/Sony they would have to do a LOT of work to rebuild the goodwill for those games.
 
Aside from Sonic Mania, the spirit of Sega has been dead a long time. Would't mind seeing what some MS cash could do for the brand.


Yeah bro...

SEGA spirit is so "dead" that we had Sonic Generations, Virtua Fighter 5 Showdown, SEGA Rally Online, Outrun, Virtua Tennis, Sonic All-Stars Racing... last gen.

SEGA is so dead that we have a new godlike Daytona USA in arcade now

so dead with Alien Isolation and Valkyria Chronicles

so dead with Yakuza, Persona, Puyo, Hokuto no Ken

so dead with Bayonetta and Shenmue

...

in fact, SEGA is the best.
 
Do you really believe that Minecraft was kept on competing platforms out of the kindness of their hearts? Or because Spencer is such a true gamer?

There were legal issues that meant it wasn't worth the trouble taking the game down from PSN. And there is a good chance that it was a contractual clause.

Having said that, if Microsoft bought SEGA, they would absolutely keep all future games away from PlayStation platforms.

MS is a company and wants to make monies. If keeping games on all platforms make them money they will do so.

Sony or Nintendo would do same.
 
Yeah bro...

SEGA spirit is so "dead" that we had Sonic Generations, Virtua Fighter 5 Showdown, SEGA Rally Online, Outrun, Virtua Tennis, Sonic All-Stars Racing... last gen.

SEGA is so dead that we have a new godlike Daytona USA in arcade now

so dead with Alien Isolation and Valkyria Chronicles

so dead with Yakuza, Persona, Puyo, Hokuto no Ken

so dead with Bayonetta and Shenmue

...

in fact, SEGA is the best.

We don't use games that released last gen to define how a company is doing now. Their latest Sonic game was an abomination, VF is dead, Sega Rally is dead as are the rest of the titles you mentioned. The RUMOR of the All Stars series is that it will become a Sonic only title. Alien Isolation was not a success, not enough for a sequel, and Valkyria has not yet proven to be good this gen (the prior game, was shit). Yakuza is good but very niche, and Puyo is also a game from last gen just ported to this gen.

Bayonetta, and any relationship they had with Platinum was dissolved, they don't partake in the creation of them, nor are they involved in the creation of Shenmue. Leaving basically Atlus and Sonic as their general assured output. Anyone who is a fan of traditional old Sega is likely hating them these days. I suppose you could argue that Atlus fans are now Sega fans, but i'd hardly say the old fans are placated by Persona when we were used to Phantasy Star, Jet Set, Shining Force, and about 100 other games they used to output.
 
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Christ, no.

Sega has too many IPs doing too well on multiple platforms to squander them for the least popular console this generation (if you count Wii U as last gen and only Switch as this gen, of course), and the only ones that would push Xboxes are Sonic, Persona, and Bayonetta, and the latter two are just maybes (don't forget Microsoft already tried to work with Platinum on Scalebound and we remember how that went). You can bet that Microsoft won't take a chance on any IP except those, save for the currently-active PC games like Total War, Warhammer, and Manager series. They won't magically revive Virtua Fighter, NiGHTS, Crazy Taxi, etc.

Not to mention that Sega Sammy's revenue is practically split down the middle between video games/consumer electronics and pachinko/pachislot, an industry that Microsoft has zero involvement in. Even if you say they could just sell the Sega half, that's still too big of a revenue source for them to let just go of.

Microsoft buying Sega would benefit no one in the long run unless they take uncharacteristically huge risks/changes, like branding their next console under the Sega name (because the Xbox brand doesn't do anything in Japan, as evidenced by the 360, which actually had a ton of Japanese-developed exclusives but still did weak numbers over there) and pumping out as many Sega IPs as possible, including the currently dormant ones that wouldn't be console sellers on their own, but would be if a bunch came out at once.

Microsoft already has a mountain of IPs they could be working with, but they're not. We don't need 95% of Sega's franchises added to it.
 
MS is a company and wants to make monies. If keeping games on all platforms make them money they will do so.

Sony or Nintendo would do same.

Except they don't really do that. Sony rarely releases their games on Steam (I think it only happened once?) and Nintendo is all about their first party exclusives.

Of course, mobile is a given. Everybody releases phone minigames, but that hardly makes a difference in the grand scheme of things.
 
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Except they don't really do that. Sony rarely releases their games on Steam (I think it only happened once?) and Nintendo is all about their first party exclusives.

Of course, mobile is a given. Everybody releases phone minigames, but that hardly makes a difference in the grand scheme of things.

What IP has Sony bought and have released it on an MS / Nintendo console?
 
Having said that, if Microsoft bought SEGA, they would absolutely keep all future games away from PlayStation platforms.

I think it will kill any good will Sega has in Japan especially when the ones supporting their Yakuza series are Playstation owners.
 
I'm not really seeing any benefit for either of the companies if this was to happen, I think there are far more negatives than positives for people who play games. Sega are making the games that they want to make at the moment and I'm not sure this would really change anything apart from meaning that a lot less people would play the games they make.

For me this is a similar prospect to people who want a new Sega console, there just doesn't seem to be any real benefit to either to that happening either. They'd need to invest vast amounts of money and would more than likely end up losing it all anyway.

If Microsoft genuinely do want to have a strong exclusive line up then it's something that I think they need to foster through organic growth, it's something they need to nurture as Nintendo and Sony have both done over the years rather than trying to force it to happen by throwing money at it.
 
Purchasing EA is probably to big.


Buying Sega could be good for Xbox if the price was right and to gain some Japanese games. And Sonic return to be a console icon like Mario once again.

on another note... MS is already sitting on a ton of Rare IP's and doing nothing with them.
 
None. I mentioned Steam.
But keep in mind, Microsoft bought Minecraft after it was released on the PS4 and when it was about to be released on the PSV.

MC came to swtich after acquisition in 2015. Small sample size but still came to all platforms. Even pushed for x-platform mp too.
 
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