soundscream
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Should restaurants give preferential treatment to women?
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If you're on a low sodium diet, that's the last place you should be eating in.
Amentallica
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The only preferential treatment I ever see of women in the USA is at bars and clubs, where many times they will get in for free or have free drinks, etc.
Jackben I have no intention of riling up anyone at all, I was just posing the question since I realize this is something unfamiliar to most westerners, as it was to me when I first moved to Japan. And I ask the question openly because I'm curious how women feel about this as well.
As I said, it doesn't bother me at all. I've never felt like I lost out on anything due to stuff only women can get/special treatment. I figure that there are lots of things they have to deal with in society that I don't, but what I wonder is: is preferential treatment at restaurants helping with that, or is pandering another thing to add to the list of problems?
If it were up to me I wouldn't change a thing, though I probably wouldnt do it that way if I opened my own restaurant.
As I said, it doesn't bother me at all. I've never felt like I lost out on anything due to stuff only women can get/special treatment. I figure that there are lots of things they have to deal with in society that I don't, but what I wonder is: is preferential treatment at restaurants helping with that, or is pandering another thing to add to the list of problems?
If it were up to me I wouldn't change a thing, though I probably wouldnt do it that way if I opened my own restaurant.
NoblesseOblige
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Which is done less as preferential treatment and more to attract men, seeing as a bar/club without women is one without men (except in the case of a gay bar of course).
It's not a preference, no. I've had ramen only once in the last few months and I make it at home while limiting as much salt as possible. I have the blandest ramen known to man.
Bony Manifesto
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It's similar in the UK. Except it's a lot more low-key, as it's technically illegal to discriminate based on that sort of thing. In the UK. It's usually an 'understanding' the doorman has with the owner, to focus on (attractive) women and not to let groups of black or asian people in.
It is really inconsequential stuff. I guess the question I didn't ask is - would you like to see more places do this kind of thing, or would you like to see this practice appear in western countries too?
It's interesting to me because when my friends from the USA visit, a lot of times the English menu item descriptions on things doesn't give an accurate or sometimes even comprehendible description and I need to translate the Japanese for them. The look on their faces when I say "ladies size" etc. is always entertaining. The most recent woman visitor I had felt really patronized by that.
CarpeDeezNutz
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Pretty much.
To answer the OP I have never seen it in the U.S. but I wouldn't really care if we did. Just sounds like some old school 50s shit.
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Christ, this is some damage control backpedaling disguised as some righteous anti-misogyny agenda.
Nothing in OP's post says he's against this or bothered by this. He seemingly just wanted to hear GAF's sentiment about this.
Throwing out "concern trolling" as some excuse to just straight out accuse and call him out as some misogynistic MRA nutcase is pathetic.
YesNOnoNOYes
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no
"Sorry, we're at capacity"
"Your group is too big"
"Need to keep the ratio even"
"Some random reason why you can't enter"
etc. Those are the more subtle ways. Sometimes they'll just say "no men" and let the hot women in.
Amentallica
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I agree.
"You aren't following dress code"
GoldenEye 007
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Well it's clearly preferential treatment. I don't see how anyone could argue it isn't.
Now is it something worth fighting against? That's another story. I think it's BS but that would simply cause me not to go there and nothing more.
I feel like if gender were swapped with race, there wouldn't be as much acceptance, though.
Now is it something worth fighting against? That's another story. I think it's BS but that would simply cause me not to go there and nothing more.
I feel like if gender were swapped with race, there wouldn't be as much acceptance, though.
CarpeDeezNutz
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Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
You've never seen clubs aim for a specific race as their clientele? There's Islander or Asian bars - I'm not sure about black bars in Australia - and yes, bars that try and stick to white folks.
It's definitely not my thing but if you go to a bar that doesn't share your skin color you're heavily "encouraged" by security not to enter.
Oh.
NoblesseOblige
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Moff
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that's defintely a thing in europe. as a eastern european you have a much harder time getting in clubs.
I have, but not in the USA. In Seoul it was really hard to get into the best clubs with my black co-workers. The doorman always had some excuse why we couldn't get in. Never had that happen with only white/Korean groups.
Okay one time my buddy wore bright red denim cut-offs and an ugly oversized t-shirt and that ended in a dispute at the door.
Heck I've seen it in Australia. A group consisting of black guys and Korean guys not being let in to a club that was nowhere near capacity.
And I should preface I'm not a clubber, but the very times I've been out that late I've seen pretty blatant discrimination against practically anyone that isn't a hot white woman.
I know what concern trolling is and isn't.
Making a thread about genderbased preferential treatment in restaurants necessarily mustn't, especially when it's obvious there's no "anti-women" agenda from OP.
Calling it out or thinking off this as concern trolling is subjective, but making the leap and implying he's a MRA misogynist is over the line and unfounded. You being unreasonable and not acknowledging this just reflects bad on you, but that's just me maybe.
Absolutely not. Everyone should be treated equal.
There's an obvious reason why this is done though. If a social environment like a bar or restaurant has all sorts of privileges for women, more women will go. Where a lot of women go, men follow.
This is the same thing as bars having Ladies' Nights, where their drinks are discounted.
There's an obvious reason why this is done though. If a social environment like a bar or restaurant has all sorts of privileges for women, more women will go. Where a lot of women go, men follow.
This is the same thing as bars having Ladies' Nights, where their drinks are discounted.
UnemployedVillain
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Uhh no? What kind of question is this? Why should they? If they're not pregnant then I don't see any legit reason to.
With clubs I can understand because attractive women attract guys, make people buy more drinks, etc so it's good for business, but people don't go to restaurants based on the amount of women in them...
And it's odd a lot of people are trying to justify this with "Well if they aren't getting many women normally..." like just coming up with the most rididuclus explanation or reasoning possible as opposed to just admitting it's an odd practice
With clubs I can understand because attractive women attract guys, make people buy more drinks, etc so it's good for business, but people don't go to restaurants based on the amount of women in them...
And it's odd a lot of people are trying to justify this with "Well if they aren't getting many women normally..." like just coming up with the most rididuclus explanation or reasoning possible as opposed to just admitting it's an odd practice
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
QUOTE=ZeroX03;184271174]Oh.[/QUOTE]
This is the video that came up on your link.
Unsure what the relevance here is.
QUOTE=Drencrom;184271822]Calling it out or thinking off this as concern trolling is subjective, but making the leap and implying he's a MRA misogynist is over the line and unfounded. You being unreasonable and not acknowledging this just reflects bad on you, but that's just me maybe.[/QUOTE]I can agree with that. Definitely was a little too dramatic and jumped the gun with the accusations. At least it gave something to talk about in an otherwise pointless thread.
This is the video that came up on your link.
Unsure what the relevance here is.
QUOTE=Drencrom;184271822]Calling it out or thinking off this as concern trolling is subjective, but making the leap and implying he's a MRA misogynist is over the line and unfounded. You being unreasonable and not acknowledging this just reflects bad on you, but that's just me maybe.[/QUOTE]I can agree with that. Definitely was a little too dramatic and jumped the gun with the accusations. At least it gave something to talk about in an otherwise pointless thread.
CarpeDeezNutz
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[=ZeroX03;184271174]You've never seen clubs aim for a specific race as their clientele? There's Islander or Asian bars - I'm not sure about black bars in Australia - and yes, bars that try and stick to white folks.
It's definitely not my thing but if you go to a bar that doesn't share your skin color you're heavily "encouraged" by security not to enter.
Oh.[/QUOTE]
I can't say it doesn't happen but I have never djed a club like that. Only thing is dressing nice ie do you have money. Also places that only want attractive people of any skin color. So mostly class and attraction based and that's at like ultra lounges mainly.
Edit: fixed the quote.
It's definitely not my thing but if you go to a bar that doesn't share your skin color you're heavily "encouraged" by security not to enter.
Oh.[/QUOTE]
I can't say it doesn't happen but I have never djed a club like that. Only thing is dressing nice ie do you have money. Also places that only want attractive people of any skin color. So mostly class and attraction based and that's at like ultra lounges mainly.
Edit: fixed the quote.
Yeah, I know that you don't care about what Jackben said but it's just frustrating to see people pick their fights about their agendas in the wrong places and call out people ignorantly.
LouisaFerre
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You know, it bothers me that for some people, the moment you complain about something a certain group might complain about, you're accused as being one of them. Like if you're bothered by something an MRA might be bothered by, all the sudden you've adopted all the negative connotations of that group.
It's like how on /v/, if you complain about the sexual titillation in a game some joker will make themselves known just to call you an SJW. Just because the groups are changed doesn't make it a respectable or reasonable line of thinking. It's stupid all around.
That said, as a response to OP, it's generally minor stuff, so I don't consider it worth getting up in arms over, but I wouldn't say I consider it a good thing to do. It'd probably make me slightly less inclined to go there(the ramen place specifically), but you know, I wouldn't launch a boycott over it if I liked the food.
It's like how on /v/, if you complain about the sexual titillation in a game some joker will make themselves known just to call you an SJW. Just because the groups are changed doesn't make it a respectable or reasonable line of thinking. It's stupid all around.
That said, as a response to OP, it's generally minor stuff, so I don't consider it worth getting up in arms over, but I wouldn't say I consider it a good thing to do. It'd probably make me slightly less inclined to go there(the ramen place specifically), but you know, I wouldn't launch a boycott over it if I liked the food.
Skellig Gra
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No but if they did I really wouldn't care.
shinra-bansho
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How about we go back to the actual topic?
There was a larger fries and multi-layered beef burger for the guy and a small fries and chicken burger for the girl.
She was rightfully offended. Because, it was dumb.
I would assume this is a cultural thing. My sister and I once walked by a burger chain that was offering some sort of his and hers thing, I think it might have been for valentines or something.
There was a larger fries and multi-layered beef burger for the guy and a small fries and chicken burger for the girl.
She was rightfully offended. Because, it was dumb.
Actually I live in a college town next to a huge university and everyone who works there/eats there is pretty young.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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As long as my wife doesn't receive larger portions than me, we're good.
OldAsUrSock
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cubicle47b
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No. I'd just roll my eyes and not go back instead of complaining, though.
Should apply to all people with long hair thought. But it's a nifty idea yeah.
Seriously? This could've happened in the USA and most western countries. Sexism isn't over and we have ladies days and ladies nights, ladies boni and ladies offers. This isn't a Japan thing.
The Lamonster
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Most nice restaurants serve the women first. That's all I've noticed, and I agree with it.
Phat Michael
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Happens in Dubai a LOT. Ladies get 2 x free glasses of champagne and free entry into clubs. Men have to pay to get in to some clubs and obviously no free drinks.
They have ladies nights on Tuesdays where all entry is free and usually get 2-3 free drinks.
They also do something where 2 men can't get in alone, unless you bring a woman with you. Obviously 2 women are fine to go in.
I've never understood it either.
NegroNinja
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Long as I get my food and it's good I honestly don't care.
Women also get in free to some clubs and bars. That's how these establishments make money. In college, my sister said frat house parties don't let guys in unless they come with a girl. All girls are welcome, though.
None of this small stuff bothers. We have more important things to worry about in this world.
None of this small stuff bothers. We have more important things to worry about in this world.
NoblesseOblige
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Pretty simple really. Two guys don't bring in more customers, whereas two girls do. I imagine this is especially true in a place where gay clubs are probably illegal. Aren't you in marketing?
bennywhatever
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It's their restaurant... they can give treatment however they want. If you don't like it, don't go there.
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