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Site quotes another site inferring Microsoft claim: "Next Xbox 2015, runs Windows 9"

This thread is an absolute carnival of stupid.

There's no way the next Xbox is launching in 2015, I'm surprised so many of you are gullibly believing that. Microsoft got where they are because they launched the 360 early, they aren't going to do the polar opposite of that with the next Xbox.
 
Arnie said:
This thread is an absolute carnival of stupid.

There's no way the next Xbox is launching in 2015, I'm surprised so many of you are gullibly believing that. Microsoft got where they are because they launched the 360 early, they aren't going to do the polar opposite of that with the next Xbox.
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I'm in your camp. I think MS will definitely launch before 2015.
 
AranhaHunter said:
Don't crucify me, but I'm ok with the next XBox and PS4 in 2015. I want a big generation leap, not some better graphics at 1080p.
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it's already gonna be a big leap. my old 8800gts + core 2 duo set up was a leap over the 360 and that was a few years ago.
 
lol @ people actually believing we won't have a new xbox until 2015.

Neither Sony nor MS would allow the other to have the market to themselves for 2-3 years.
 
The quote is a little ambiguous, but i'm pretty sure he only meant Windows 9 in 2015/16, not the Xbox as well. No new Xbox until 2015 would be nuts. It's far too outdated already. I've almost completely switched over to PC gaming now. For me, there's only really Gears 3 on the horizon for 360.
 
Developers are already complaining about the hardware not being up to date enough for AI, and we can obviously see the visual difference, I can only hope this is fake.
 
Smision said:
it's already gonna be a big leap. my old 8800gts + core 2 duo set up was a leap over the 360 and that was a few years ago.
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Your 8800gts also draws approximately 120w of power. The current top-end GPUs draw triple that. The "leap" you speak of will produce extremely nice visuals at 720p (instead of 540p) or 1080p.

Developers are already complaining about the hardware not being up to date enough for AI
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The AI in Half-Life is far superior to the AI in Crysis 2. It has little to do with hardware.
 
Arnie said:
This thread is an absolute carnival of stupid.

There's no way the next Xbox is launching in 2015, I'm surprised so many of you are gullibly believing that. Microsoft got where they are because they launched the 360 early, they aren't going to do the polar opposite of that with the next Xbox.
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And if they were (and they aren't), they sure as shit wouldn't announce it 4 years ahead of time.

I'm ashamed to admit I contributed a click to the sources website.
 
StevieP said:
Your 8800gts also draws approximately 120w of power. The current top-end GPUs draw triple that.



The AI in Half-Life is far superior to the AI in Crysis 2. It has little to do with hardware.
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And the Halo games have always had great AI. Is it easier to do AI on a PC compared to consoles? Yes. But that's the way it's always going to be so developers should actually put effort into it like Bungie does.
 
Seriously, with the amount of success Microsoft is enjoying right now, I can totally see thrm riding the kinect wave for as long as they can.
 
DaSorcerer7 said:
Seriously, with the amount of success Microsoft is enjoying right now, I can totally see riding the kinect wave for as long as they can.
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Makes sense. Sure beats losing money on R&D and new hardware.
 
Billychu said:
And the Halo games have always had great AI. Is it easier to do AI on a PC compared to consoles? Yes. But that's the way it's always going to be so developers should actually put effort into it like Bungie does.
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Halo games are extremely balanced. A console's power is limited, so there are a lot of sacrifices made. If you go for good AI, there probably won't be much juice left for pushing the graphics, but graphics is always the first priority for many developers, that's why we see dumb AI in so many console games.
 
Meisadragon said:
Halo games are extremely balanced. A console's power is limited, so there are a lot of sacrifices made. If you go for good AI, there probably won't be much juice left for pushing the graphics, but graphics is always the first priority for many developers, that's why we see dumb AI in so many console games.
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Good AI is far more dependant on programming than hardware power.
 
Momo said:
Fuck it, I'm leaving this thread till people calm down/read the crappy conclusions the article jumps to.
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I did read the article. My post was in reference to how other hadn't read it and there was no stopping this train.
 
Billychu said:
But having in in order processor certainly doesn't help.
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No, but that was the poor choice of Sony and MS to go with (relatively) the same CPU that was in-order.

According to the latest rumour-mills, Sony is looking at AMD for the PS4. Microsoft is looking at IBM again, but whether they choose the Cell/PPE again or the regular Power architecture has not been widely reported. Could it be because they're the furthest off in terms of release timeframe?

Good AI algorithm will eat CPU cycles, so yes, it is dependent on hardware power.
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It will eat far more man-hours than it will CPU cycles. Hence today's incredibly poor AI across pretty much all games.
 
Meh. I'm a part of PC gaming master race and PS3 still has lots of exclusives on the horizon. I'm indifferent when it comes to this gen ending. It would be nice if it came sooner just for the sake of seeing new stuff but i'm still not in a rush. It is disappointing only because I want to get a 360 badly for Alan Wake (since it probably won't come to PC) but i'm not willing to spend more than 100 on the console (with the HDD).
 
Momo said:
I know :3
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I'm sorry.
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As others have said I suspect the next Xbox will be out in 2013/2014. It will probably run a modified Windows 8 and will allow for future upgrades to Windows 9. I mean there are tons of other questionable but more reliable sources than this saying that the next Xbox will be at E3 2012.

Shouldn't the Thread title be "Site quotes another site inferring Microsoft claim: "Windows 9 in 2015, runs on next Xbox"?
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It should read "Next Xbox to run a more unified OS along with other MS devices" because this is the only relevant(to Gaming) piece of info from this article.
 
jim-jam bongs said:
That's all that any game "AI" actually is though.
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He probably means simple triggers.
Arma II meanwhile (for example) has npcs scan environments (ray tracing style) based on line of sight, which in turn is based on a bunch of parameters and they make decisions based on that.

Vs fear where you walk into a certain room, you trigger a module that reads what weapon you have then one of the npcs shout a prerecorded message for that weapon for that room trigger.

Proper pathfinding and npc behavior takes some serious talent and intelligence to accomplish, far beyond just stuffing the game with a bunch of basic scripts.

Halo CE had a bunch of neat basic scripts (like a grunt running towards an elite if he has a nade stuck to him) and some basic fun group dynamic for the enemies, but as soon as they had to drive a vehicle or handle certain weapons or use cover they could be downright retarded most of the time.

The complex/meta stuff takes a bloody rocket scientist to pull off.
 
StevieP said:
It will eat far more man-hours than it will CPU cycles. Hence today's incredibly poor AI across pretty much all games.
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Ok, fair enough. Interesting discussion, though, but this thread will be derailed. :P
 
It doesn't bother me that myuch 2014-2015 seems fine for me to at least see a significant difference from present games.

I have a quite okay pc (I7 930,radeon 5870,12 gig of ram, blu-ray) and i'm still doing most of my gaming on ps3/360, turn on.... play. I don't see that much difference (yeayh yeah less aliasing, some better texture and more fluid framerate on the pc (mostly gaming on MAx setting) but ps3/360 games are not That far (not like the difference between PS2 and PC gaming circa 2003-2004. And it'S not like I game on a puny screen , i got a 100' 1080p projector tied to the consoles (even a Wii and PS2) and PC ... I use my ps3 as a media hub as well, streaming videos and music from the pc hdd.

I'm perfectly happy where technology has come to and don't need that much more visual fidelity at the moment.

So 2015... why not so we can see a leats a big gap otherwise we'll only see a small incremental upgrade.
 
There is no damned way that MS would let Nintendo have two to three years uncontested except possibly by Sony. That would be insane.
 
SneakyStephan said:
Vs fear where you walk into a certain room, you trigger a module that reads what weapon you have then one of the npcs shout a prerecorded message for that weapon for that room trigger.
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FEAR does a lot more than that: http://web.media.mit.edu/~jorkin/aiide05OrkinJ.pdf

NPCs who detect that they are within the blast radius of
incoming grenades run away, or crouch and flinch. We
were surprised to find NPCs outside of the blast radius
turning their heads to watch the grenades land. We did not
intentionally implement this behavior. NPCs were trying
to satisfy the EscapeDanger goal, but found the actions
EscapeDanger and ReactToDanger were invalid
due to the distance from the NPC to the grenade. The NPC
found the next best candidate action,
LookAtDisturbance, to set the
DisturbanceExists symbol to false. This action was
intended for NPCs reacting to disturbance sounds, but
worked well as a reaction to distant flying grenades. These
nuances add depth to behavior, and fall out for free when
NPCs formulate their own plans in real-time.
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But I agree with the rest of your post. At the end of the day the most expensive part of real-time behavioural programming is still pathfinding, not high-level decision making.
 
Kinect has to soak in for a while and Microsoft has to do this smart since the darn device is selling. Launching a next gen xbox on top of old kinect hardware will not make sense right now. I have a feeling they will wait awhile before upgrading to the next big thing. Just take a look at what they've done with their dvd's. Their preparing a longer than usual run imo.

Vinci said:
There is no damned way that MS would let Nintendo have two to three years uncontested except possibly by Sony. That would be insane.
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Microsoft is doing great and have excellent marketshare. No need to stomp that out by forcing a new hardware on consumers that have just invested in Kinect.
 
RavenFox said:
Kinect has to soak in for a while and Microsoft has to do this smart since the darn device is selling. Launching a next gen xbox on top of old kinect hardware will not make sense right now. I have a feeling they will wait awhile before upgrading to the next big thing. Just take a look at what they've done with their dvd's. Their preparing a longer than usual run imo.


Microsoft is doing great and have excellent marketshare. No need to stomp that out by forcing a new hardware on consumers that have just invested in Kinect.
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Exactly, its a smart business move.
 
er so Microsoft says this:
Lees went on to say that Microsoft wants to provide “coherence and consistency” across different devices, “particularly with Xbox,” and that the goal isn’t just to share UI, but also core technologies like Internet Explorer.
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and from that we extrapolate to next xbox launching in 2015 running windows 9.

good work guys.
 
I'm sorry, I don't believe this load of baloney.

Nobody in Microsoft would mention Windows 9, when they are trying to advertise/build up hype for Windows 8.

I don't think anyone wants to stick to the current gen for longer than 2 years tops.
 
Vinci said:
There is no damned way that MS would let Nintendo have two to three years uncontested except possibly by Sony. That would be insane.
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The Wii U seems like Nintendo jumping into this gen rather than NEXT gen (whether that's actually true or not is unknown at this point) so if Microsoft and Sony also think that way and consumer opinions agree, both MS and Sony would be fine letting Nintendo have a couple years, imo.
 
I take it I'm the only one happy about next gen not happening until 2015. This also gives Microsoft and Sony to give more price drops out of their current systems, gives Wii U more time to be in the current gen and is really good for everybody to increase this gen besides from techies.
 
Heavy said:
The Wii U seems like Nintendo jumping into this gen rather than NEXT gen (whether that's actually true or not is unknown at this point) so if Microsoft and Sony also think that way and consumer opinions agree, both MS and Sony would be fine letting Nintendo have a couple years, imo.
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Generations are not defined by hardware power. They are defined by the release of the next piece of hardware in line.

I take it I'm the only one happy about next gen not happening until 2015. This also gives Microsoft and Sony to give more price drops out of their current systems, gives Wii U more time to be in the current gen and is really good for everybody to increase this gen besides from techies.
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Generations are not define... ah who am I kidding. Not like anyone will read into this little piece of common sense. Nor pay any attention to Microsoft's own Shane Kim stating the exact same thing as this article back in 2009.
 
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