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Skyrim DLC will be timed XBL exclusive

I NEED SCISSORS said:
I don't see the problem. A lot of them are pretty spot on, actually.

At first I thought it was some sort of racist thing, but now I realise it's just you being overly precious if you aren't buying their games over this.
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they talked bad bout mah moe
 
LQX said:
If anything Sony has got better treatment with DLC and at least this is timed exclusive. Those who bought Dead Space and Medal of Honor got free fucking games while 360 buyers of those same games got shit but people never seem to complain about stuff like that. I dont even think a thread was made and to me those were the biggest DLC take aways this gen.
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You mean the games converted to work with the PSmove? There would be no point in complaining because 360 owners wouldn't have gotten the game anyways (would you want to?) and since the price of entry was to get the move, this wasn't an even bonus for PS3 owners that didn't own a move either.

Dunlop said:
First it is not exactly last minute as they have been doing this all gen. Microsoft is still paying the developer without a guaranty of any sales, same as if they were paying a first party.
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There is a world of difference between paying to develop/publish a title and paying of a publisher to delay things for the competition. You can't draw parallels because one involves risk on the company shelling out the bucks (so it is understandable) and the other doesn't involve risk, just ponying up to stick it to the competitors. I mean does it really validate buying into live for 30 days more access? As a gold member myself I would rather them invest it into exclusive products not timed deals on DLC.

OldJadedGamer said:
With the MS approach, every gamer regardless of platform choice gets to play it. You may have to wait but you play it.

The Sony approach is to pay the third party off so that only 1/3 of the gamers get to play it. If the first parties are going to pay third parties for content, my vote goes for the option that lets everyone play.
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Sony normally only pays into things they can help develop. So the special move versions of the games, by definition wouldn't work on other games and become exclusive. That DOES NOT stop MS from ponying up their own cash and paying for ports of the older EA games or paying them to make kinect versions.
 
staticneuron said:
Sony normally only pays into things they can help develop.
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RDR tophat and cave
Mafia 2 case
L.A Noire Case
Toy Story 3 Zerg
Batman Joker challenge room DLC
Assassins creed etc etc etc

You were saying?
 
I NEED SCISSORS said:
I don't see the problem. A lot of them are pretty spot on, actually.

At first I thought it was some sort of racist thing, but now I realise it's just you being overly precious if you aren't buying their games over this.
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No it's a pretty ignorant viewpoint. You get trash and generic titles in every genre, they seem to think every Japanese rpg is the same. This smacks of being dismissive, and points to a lack of knowledge, understanding and research on their part.

Their own games aren't even that wonderful, the only reason I was interested in it is my fascination with Norse culture.

zoner said:
they talked bad bout mah moe
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Because I felt so kawaii in my koutaku no aru armor while playing Demonzu Soru with my furends.

Anyway this is off topic. On topic, their DLC policies makes it so I care for their products even less than before.
 
This is a really convenient way to assure that I don't buy the game day 1 and instead wait for the much cheaper GOTY edition. Way to go, Bethesda!
 
Infamous Chris said:
RDR tophat and cave
Mafia 2 case
L.A Noire Case
Toy Story 3 Zerg
Batman Joker challenge room DLC
Assassins creed etc etc etc

You were saying?
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1. I said "normally". Seriously there aren't "that" many examples.

2 Sony didn't "pay" er say for some of those (like the joker challenge) If I can find the interview for you I will link it to you but rocksteady came to Sony with the idea and iirc they reduced royalty to help the returns.


jon bones said:
forgive my own ignorance but is there something racist i'm missing here?
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It is a shot against JRPG's which would make more sense if they didn't sell like hotcakes in japan. But because they still do sell, it just seems like they have condescendingly misread the market.

Whats worse about it though is its hypocritical. Bethesda games are guilty of about everything they listed there as well. The just add morality systems to make the fixed story points less noticable I guess.


EDIT: I think it's a sucky practice but I don't blame the big three, I blame the publishers for buying into it. If it comes out for PC on the correct date then fine, if not, I am not going to "return" to the game anyways. If I am done I will move along and I think they will only hurt themselves in the long run.
 
staticneuron said:
You mean the games converted to work with the PSmove? There would be no point in complaining because 360 owners wouldn't have gotten the game anyways (would you want to?) and since the price of entry was to get the move, this wasn't an even bonus for PS3 owners that didn't own a move either.
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You did not need a move especially for Medal of Honor. I played it with my controller perfectly fine but would have rather played it on a 360 pad but that was not a option even with paid DLC.

And your post is kind of exactly what I'm getting at. Dismissal of the fact PS3 gets some great if not better perks as most times they are FREE yet those who would prefer to buy on the 360 never seem to rage like PS3 users.
 
Derrick01 said:
I don't see anything wrong or incorrect about any of that. Sounds like bitterness to me.
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There's nothing wrong or incorrect about it, unless you're a hypersensitive weeabo.

As for the topic at hand, I hate this timed-exclusive garbage with a passion but at least it's only 30 days. Other platforms are guaranteed to get it, and have a firm date. BTW, when will those Arkham Asylum Joker maps be made available for 360 and PC? I'm still waiting :'(
 
Canova said:
30 days for them to fix the bugs anyway
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They;ll need more than that if their last few games are any indication. I just pray the game doesn't have and critical crash bugs but I'm not holding my breathe.
 
BobTheFork said:
They;ll need more than that if their last few games are any indication. I just pray the game doesn't have and critical crash bugs but I'm not holding my breathe.
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Other than the usual open world jank, which I fully expect with these kind of games, I don't recall having any bad bugs in Fallout 3. I did get one game breaking bug in Oblivion though, that Thieves Guild mission. That one stung but it was also 5 years ago. Hopefully they will have sorted that stuff out by release.
 
I am surprised this strategy is successful for Bethesda. I would think enthusiasm for the DLC falls and less people buy it on PC/PS3 than would have if it had been released on the same day.

However, they've obviously done this now twice before and know it actually works for them. Either Microsoft is paying enough to counter the loss in sales on PS3/PC, or people really don't care. Probably a combination of the two.

I have to admit I'm a little surprised by the press release. Bethesda is actually telling their own customers that two of the three versions are inferior.

In a moment of weakness I pre-ordered this game on Newegg. But after reading the press-release I cancelled it. Not that I care about 30 day delay for DLC, it just reminded me that I would really be better off waiting. If they have similar sales strategy on PC as they have had with New Vegas I won't have to wait for the GOTY though. I've been pretty happy picking up FONV and all the DLCs so far on sale, hoping to play them after Deus Ex.
 
Momo said:
No it's a pretty ignorant viewpoint. You get trash and generic titles in every genre, they seem to think every Japanese rpg is the same. This smacks of being dismissive, and points to a lack of knowledge, understanding and research on their part.
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err... i guess i didn't take it that seriously...

GreekWolf said:
There's nothing wrong or incorrect about it, unless you're a hypersensitive weeabo.
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yea i suppose so
 
Sony didn't "pay" er say for some of those (like the joker challenge) If I can find the interview for you I will link it to you but rocksteady came to Sony with the idea and iirc they reduced royalty to help the returns.
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I see no reason to assume MS just hands out handfuls of cash either. Moneyhats come in different flavors from all the companies.
 
I don't buy DLC so I guess I don't really care, but it sucks for those that do.

Edit: Though, depending on the size of this DLC, I may buy it.
 
LQX said:
You did not need a move especially for Medal of Honor. I played it with my controller perfectly fine but would have rather played it on a 360 pad but that was not a option even with paid DLC.

And your post is kind of exactly what I'm getting at. Dismissal of the fact PS3 gets some great if not better perks as most times they are FREE yet those who would prefer to buy on the 360 never seem to rage like PS3 users.
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Well they missed on that because I own all three consoles yet purchased it on PC still. The PS3's extra bonus didn't even register for me because I thought they were announced as titles reworked to play using the PS Move. Because of that distinction I didn't even care and it wouldn't have made a difference to my purchase on any other system.

Besides people only comment or rage about things they care enough about. If people didn't complain about it, doesn't mean that they are OK with the practice that means they didn't care enough about that particular item to create a thread and cry/complain about it. This isn't new this gen. There is only so much that people need to say.



@Infamous Chris
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4709/the_sony_situation_sceas_rob_.php?page=1
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You'll see some really good stuff at E3 -- where now we do have third parties contacting us. They are calling us up to say, "How about this?"
It really started -- and I always go back to Batman: Arkham Asylum -- with Eidos. God bless them for being as insistent and bulldog-like tenacious in getting us to do that with them. Karl Stewart and Bob Lindsey were very emphatic, and they were right.

And I'm glad we jumped on it because it's proven to be one of the real bellwethers for PlayStation 3 third-party, and we've been able to take that model and move it across any number of publishers to be able to show that if you do this, not only will we support you.

It's not about just taking share away from Microsoft. It's about expanding the pie. It's about giving people a reason to want to buy this game. How many people bought Batman after they found out all this cool exclusive stuff, and otherwise weren't going to buy Batman no matter what platform it was on?

Again, when it comes to throwing money, we'll lose that fight every time. But the good news is that because of where we are with our install base and because of the growth we're showing particularly worldwide -- not just in one territory -- it behooves publishers to be aggressive and active on our platform.
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coopolon said:
I am surprised this strategy is successful for Bethesda. I would think enthusiasm for the DLC falls and less people buy it on PC/PS3 than would have if it had been released on the same day.
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As I recall New Vegas shipped ~5million copies (tracked November last year that's ~$300million) and the 360 version made up the bulk of the sales(1) for the previous month (at least in the states). I have no reason to believe it didn't track in similar proportions the rest of it's US life. I have no idea what proportion of the total sales were converted into DLC sales, but I can see MS covering the potential lost DLC sales in co-marketing/cash/lower sales take per unit easily.

If it didn't make economical sense to them, they wouldn't do it. Still bullshit though.
 
Momo said:
As I recall New Vegas shipped ~5million copies (tracked November last year that's ~$300million) and the 360 version made up the bulk of the sales(1) for the previous month (at least in the states). I have no reason to believe it didn't track in similar proportions the rest of it's US life. I have no idea what proportion of the total sales were converted into DLC sales, but I can see MS covering the potential lost DLC sales in co-marketing/cash/lower sales take per unit easily.

If it didn't make economical sense to them, they wouldn't do it. Still bullshit though.
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So..... how many DD sales on the PC did new vegas do?
 
Massa said:
Goddammit.
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Look at it this way...by the time you are about halfway done with the story and side quests more than 30 days have passed.
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Timed exclusives for single player game content?

Sounds stupid. All it does is annoy players on other platforms - it sure as hell wouldnt make me want to get the Xbox version if I was on the fence.
 
It goes both ways. Good that it's going to eventually show up on PS3. I'll be busying playing Dark Souls and Uncharted 3 before I buy Skyrim anyways.
 
staticneuron said:
So..... how many DD sales on the PC did new vegas do?
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As far as I know DD sales doesn't get tracked(publicly), I'd make a guess that it wouldn't matter as much anyway since PC sales are generally lower and exclusive often means "not on xbox/ps3" and ignores PC entirely.(Likely same day as 360) I also believe PC buyers are less sensitive to this kind of thing and would get it anyway. (If they planned to)
 
Infamous Chris said:
Why do you act like this hasn't happened before a few times with Bethesda games? Doesn't it make more sense that they're tied together then the delusional conspiracy that Ms just stepped in a little before the game releases to throw millions for a 30-day timed exclusivity?

And yeah, as mentioned by surly and many others, this thing happens ALL the time with Sony, but nobody cares or makes topics for it.
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Isn't this more of a problem with people who only own the 360? Just because people don't complain when Sony moneyhats, doesn't mean it's ok when MS does it.
 
Who cares, I NEVER buy DLC from companies with this business model (ie. Activision, Bethesda, Rockstar, etc.). Will always wait for GOTY / Ultimate edition.
 
staticneuron said:
Well they missed on that because I own all three consoles yet purchased it on PC still. The PS3's extra bonus didn't even register for me because I thought they were announced as titles reworked to play using the PS Move. Because of that distinction I didn't even care and it wouldn't have made a difference to my purchase on any other system.

Besides people only comment or rage about things they care enough about. If people didn't complain about it, doesn't mean that they are OK with the practice that means they didn't care enough about that particular item to create a thread and cry/complain about it. This isn't new this gen. There is only so much that people need to say.



@Infamous Chris
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4709/the_sony_situation_sceas_rob_.php?page=1
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It may be no big deal because you bought them on the PC but for those that bought them on consoles it still stands out more than timed exclusives as these never came to the 360 and its the same for games like L.A Noire Mortal Kombat and Batman. Hell Mortal Kombat even had demo which never came to 360 yet all through that thread everyone brushed it off where as it would be hell if it was the other way around.

And I'm not saying its not OK to be a little pist-off or angry but these threads usually only pop up for 360 exclusives which most times or timed exclusives but to me exclusives another console never gets is much, much bigger deal.
 
This technique must be profitable for Microsoft in the long run. I don't see how, but I can't see why else they'd keep doing it. To the uninformed, this makes Live look like it has exclusive content, I guess.
 
JWong said:
No, I mean Lost and Damned and Gay Tony... unless Microsoft didn't shell out any money to make these exclusive.
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Pretty obvious they paid for timed exclusivity seen as they announced it themselves.
 
So its the first two out of who knows how many. Didn't like waiting for the DLC for Fallout 3 or New Vegas, but I loved it when I finally got it. Will wait for these DLC's and hope they are as good as Shivering Isles/Point Lookout/Old World Blues.
 
Exclusive content for 30 days? Really? So....not worth it.

At least the PS3 is getting the DLC this time. Bethesda never bothered (or couldn't, ahem) bring the Oblivion add-ons to PSN.
 
rataven said:
Exclusive content for 30 days? Really? So....not worth it.

At least the PS3 is getting the DLC this time. Bethesda never bothered (or couldn't, ahem) bring the Oblivion add-ons to PSN.
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Wasn't that a memory issue?
 
There have been a lot of stupid trends to emerge this gen, and platform exclusive DLC is probably the worst. What does this mean for me? I will be playing on PC, and I don't even own an Xbox, so it just means that I won't be able to play the DLC for an arbitrary amount of time. It's so pointless.
 
Snuggler said:
There have been a lot of stupid trends to emerge this gen, and platform exclusive DLC is probably the worst. What does this mean for me? I will be playing on PC, and I don't even own an Xbox, so it just means that I won't be able to play the DLC for an arbitrary amount of time. It's so pointless.
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You mean you aren't convinced to drop hundreds of dollars to play a game you can already play so you can get some wicked DLC a month sooner? Surely you jest.

Edit - Truth of the matter this is specifically them trying to get more sales away from PS3 from console gamers that own both. That's pretty much it, and they don't give a shit that it fucks it up for everyone else.
 
Phonomezer said:
Wasn't that a memory issue?
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I don't believe they've ever said. I've asked Beth that question sporadically over the years and then again just this summer with the Oblivion 5th year anniversary, and got nothing but crickets.
 
Oh well. PC gamer here. If Microsoft offered me dump truck loads of money for limited exclusivity, i suppose i would take it too.
 
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