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[CadetMahoney]

I was hoping this was somehow for the PS3 version.

A man can dream.

 

[Massa]

This wouldn't make the game passable for an Intel HD 3000 system, would it?

I wonder the same about and AMD E-350, which apparently was fine for the previous Bethesda games but runs Skyrim at 10-20 fps.

 

[koji]

Bookmarking this stuff, interesting, cheers

 

[ghst]

I was hoping this was somehow for the PS3 version.

A man can dream.

all this tweaking and fiddling isn't worth it, that's why your primary gaming machine is a console.

 

[Sinoox]

I don't wanna sound mean but... Bethesda should fire their programmers and hire some... real programmers. Seriously.

Dude from the TES site said this and I couldn't agree more. What the hell, this shouldn't be possible, especially not so soon after its release. I'm gonna install this and test it out myself. I get fine FPS, but it dips badly in some cities.

all this tweaking and fiddling isn't worth it, that's why your primary gaming machine is a console.

A 40% performance increase isn't worth copying over some files in a folder? Who could say that?

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

all this tweaking and fiddling isn't worth it, that's why your primary gaming machine is a console.

Ouch.

 

[Limanima]

Wow. If I were at Bethesda, I would hide under a rock.

 

[CecilRousso]

So instead of people just being happy, we need to use this to trash the ones who actually made the game?

 

[Massa]

A 40% performance increase isn't worth copying over some files in a folder? Who could say that?

The people coding games at Bethesda.

 

[Htown]

So instead of people just being happy, we need to use this to trash the ones who actually made the game?

If they made it badly, why not?

 

[careful]

Just saw the edit.. So to be clear, the performance improvement comes at a cost of possible scripting errors? In that case, not sure if worth it..

 

[Zombie James]

So instead of people just being happy, we need to use this to trash the ones who actually made the game?

We're talking about compiler flags here... those checkboxes you're supposed to check before hitting the compile button on release builds.

 

[freddy]

So Bethesda should have released a game with widespread scripting errors?

 

[BoobPhysics101]

Just saw the edit.. So to be clear, the performance improvement comes at a cost of possible scripting errors? In that case, not sure if worth it..

Fuck it, I want 40% extra FPS, let the AI diddle themselves!

I'm sure the scripting errors will be fixed very quickly.

 

[Swag]

I'll probably wait until the scripting errors get fixed before I think of using this mod, already experienced some wierd stuff with AI not acting right.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

So Bethesda should have released a game with widespread scripting errors?

You understand that the scripting errors are just a result of this being made through trial and error? They haven't got a QA team, they are modders. They need to release to the community so they can find these problems.

Oddly enough Bethesda appear to think that the same rule applies to them.

 

[Toby]

So instead of people just being happy, we need to use this to trash the ones who actually made the game?

Yeah... I don't understand it either.
Hey, lets hope they fire the guys that probably worked their asses off under tight deadlines to create an extremely complex, open world game, just because we think they were being lazy assholes.
Did everyone just completely ignore the mention of scripting errors with this?

 

[Zombie James]

Someone in one of the forum threads said the scripting errors might actually be from the most recent patch (can't find the post right now), so it's not confirmed if it's due to the mod.

 

[danmaku]

So Bethesda should have released a game with widespread scripting errors?

Not sure if serious...

 

[freddy]

You understand that the scripting errors are just a result of this being made through trial and error? They haven't got a QA team, they are modders. They need to release to the community so they can find these problems.

Oddly enough Bethesda appear to think that the same rule applies to them.

Yea I'm well aware of what modders have to contend with I just think Bethesda gets way too much crap for a game that people are pouring 100+ hours into. How many games of this scope are released? Sure complain all you like about its little problems but don't pretend that the game runs like a mess on PC because it doesn't. No amount of QA will catch all the bugs in a CRPG of this size.

Also hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Hylian7]

Holy mcgoddamn.

It's about a 20% performance increase. Not quite what is advertised, but still impressive.

 

[Shai-Tan]

Someone in one of the forum threads said the scripting errors might actually be from the most recent patch (can't find the post right now), so it's not confirmed if it's due to the mod.

it's also possible this mod is increasing performance so much because it's breaking the game in some way

 

[Fusebox]

If I'm loading my game via skse_loader.exe, does that mean it's bypassing my 4GB launcher?

 

[StoppedInTracks]

1) Bethesda doesn't give a fuck about optimizing their games on PS3

- ok I kinda, sorta understand it, PS3 is just not their market

2) Bethesda doesn't give a fuck about optimizing their games on PC

- wait what???

Maybe they should just go Xbox exclusive, lazy fucks.

 

[AwesomeSauce]

If I'm loading my game via skse_loader.exe, does that mean it's bypassing my 4GB launcher?

I don't think it's necessary to use 4gb launcher now that the Skyrim update added the LAA fix.

 

[Fusebox]

I don't think it's necessary to use 4gb launcher now that the Skyrim update added the LAA fix.

Ah, good to hear, thanks for the info.

 

[freddy]

If I'm loading my game via skse_loader.exe, does that mean it's bypassing my 4GB launcher?

I'm not sure but I do know that you can use the 4GB launcher(or the normal launcher) and if skse is in the correct folder it will launch that.

 

[NBtoaster]

Someone in one of the forum threads said the scripting errors might actually be from the most recent patch (can't find the post right now), so it's not confirmed if it's due to the mod.

I just tested, the situation in the op is broken with the plugin, but not with the normal exe (up to date).

 

[PjotrStroganov]

So this is still useless because of the scripting errors but I have to keep my eye on it right?

 

[alysonwheel]

Someone in one of the forum threads said the scripting errors might actually be from the most recent patch (can't find the post right now), so it's not confirmed if it's due to the mod.

Before I even heard of this patch I had to use the console to advance a couple of quests that plain didn't work, in a completely unmodded game, so having to do that a couple more times is a price I'll happily pay for a playable framerate in Markath.

edit: although I guess when I get to a broken bit I could also just quit out and reload without it.

 

[Atomski]

I just tested, the situation in the op is broken with the plugin, but not with the normal exe (up to date).

Yeah I started a new character today and played a shit ton and did not see a single scripting error.

Anyways crazy how threads like this always turn into bethesda bashing.. Skyrim runs great on my dated PC.

 

[Cels]

You ignore the pride people have in their work.

They want it to be as good as possible, like anyone else.

 

[Luigiv]

You ignore the pride people have in their work.

They want it to be as good as possible, like anyone else.

Sure the employees that actually make the game do but they don't call the shots.

 

[Negator]

it's also possible this mod is increasing performance so much because it's breaking the game in some way

So it's adding performance by breaking an already broken game? Can't really see the downside.

 

[MegaKungFuRadio]

1) Bethesda doesn't give a fuck about optimizing their games on PS3

- ok I kinda, sorta understand it, PS3 is just not their market

2) Bethesda doesn't give a fuck about optimizing their games on PC

- wait what???

Maybe they should just go Xbox exclusive, lazy fucks.

Eh. A lazy port is still better than being forced to play a game on a console. The amount I've put into Skyrim probably would have been extended by HOURS of pure load times. PC gamers complain a lot about console design decisions making it over to their version of the game, but that has never bothered me personally.

 

[duk]

why would the devs fix anything when they know modders would?

 

[FyreWulff]

I'm appaled by the fact that developers didn't put even a slightest effort into optimisation. How come that amateurs and users have to fix PERFOMANCE problems for your game?

Because compiling with optimization is not magic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler_optimization#Problems_with_optimization

And as the bugs with scripts not firing goes to show, there's probably reasons why Bethesda compiled it the way they did.

 

[Aizu_Itsuko]

I suspect it's more GPU and RAM-bound on PS3.

It's stupidity-bound on PS3.

This is getting beyond embarrassing.

Give them a GOTY award.

 

[brotkasten]

So this is still useless because of the scripting errors but I have to keep my eye on it right?

Just like with all TES mods at the beginning. Skyrim will be the true 2012 GOTY, when the game is finished and DLC and mods are done. Can't wait to play it a year from now.

 

[Omiee]

crossfire 6950. would i see much of an improvement in performance?

 

[boinx]

So instead of people just being happy, we need to use this to trash the ones who actually made the game?

Sure i'm happy that this exists but this should have already been in the game.

 

[Sinoox]

Yeah I started a new character today and played a shit ton and did not see a single scripting error.

Anyways crazy how threads like this always turn into bethesda bashing.. Skyrim runs great on my dated PC.

Yeah, same here. I restarted the game to see if there are any scripting issues people are talking about, but I didn't have a single problem. I've been playing on my regular save for awhile now too and still nothing. It won't hurt to try it out, really easy to disable if there are any problems.

I love this mod though! Like I said in my other post, I get fine FPS already, but there some bad dips in some cities and this solves the problem. I'm going to be sure to keep an eye out for any updates for this one.

Oh and this is an issue with the code, nobody is going after the artists or designers. The programmers are at fault for this here, and that goes for the PlayStation 3 version too. They're either not doing their job or they're incompetent.

Eh. A lazy port is still better than being forced to play a game on a console.

As long as they give us the ability to fix things, fuck yeah!

 

[I should be doing hw]

crossfire 6950. would i see much of an improvement in performance?

Probably, seeing as this is a CPU optimization with nothing to do with your GPU.

 

[ldcommando]

1) Bethesda doesn't give a fuck

Edited for accuracy.

 

[Erethian]

1) Bethesda doesn't give a fuck about optimizing their games on PS3

- ok I kinda, sorta understand it, PS3 is just not their market

2) Bethesda doesn't give a fuck about optimizing their games on PC

- wait what???

Maybe they should just go Xbox exclusive, lazy fucks.

Bethesda has been making poorly optimised PC versions since Oblivion, so this isn't exactly new to Skyrim.

Though Oblivion was much, much worse.

 

[Nirolak]

Bethesda has been making poorly optimised PC versions since Oblivion, so this isn't exactly new to Skyrim.

Though Oblivion was much, much worse.

I'm not sure what version of Morrowind you played that ran great at launch.

 

[Trojita]

...Bethesda, for some reason, compiled the game without using any of the optimization flags for release builds.

 

[Jtrizzy]

Just played this game for the first time last night on my 2600k/580, and it blew me away. I was only using the beta drivers with no mods, so this is just icing on the cake.

 

[Rapstah]

"No, Tom, you've gotten things mixed up. Release 32 is for both release and debugging, we don't use Debug 32."

 

[Chinner]

it's a shame that a lot of people won't hold bethesda to responsibility with how shoddy the pc and especially ps3 versions have been, but i guess most people will be playing on x360 and won't give a fuck.