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Smash Bros Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread: Goodbye, Cherry-don

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Man God said:
Oh I know, still, just about as reliable as any placeholder date from some big box. Until the Dojo changes its date the game isn't delayed. Plain and simple. Quit your whining all of you.

The thought of a delay this close to release makes no damn sense. It's going to be the same game as the JPN version, considering that you can play the game worldwide. NoA isn't NoE, they can handle huge initial print runs.
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Oh ok. Just making sure. Don't want people getting the wrong idea. Heh.
*shrug* All these retailers getting a new delayed date does concern me... but what can you do. We have to wait for NOA or the impending delay update of doom from the dojo...
 
If gaming journalism wants to become a real journalism, then it needs to find things out before game companies tell us. Otherwise, we'll just be a tool for the game industry to report on things when they want us to. We're starting to go through that transition now. I think it would be nice if you started giving us (gaming journalism as a whole) the benefit of the doubt once in a while. Not just for something as trivial as a release date for a game that you will buy regardless. But for everything.
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Because you don't deserve the benefit of the doubt if you are calling a Placeholder date as a credible source, and you used more placeholder dates to agree with the 1st one, which is bad journalism.
 
Cerebral Assassin said:
Because you don't deserve the benefit of the doubt if you are calling a Placeholder date as a credible source, and you used more placeholder dates to agree with the 1st one, which is bad journalism.
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Not exactly. We reported on exactly what was happening: Three retail sources have changed the dates into their computers to one other than the listed date of February 10. We did not flat-out say that Brawl has been delayed. Just that is was possible, and why it was possible.

For the record, I think it's going to happen. But you probably have figured that out already.
 
WindyMan said:
Not exactly. We reported on exactly what was happening: Three retail sources have changed the dates into their computers to one other than the listed date of February 10. We did not flat-out say that Brawl has been delayed. Just that is was possible, and why it was possible.

For the record, I think it's going to happen. But you probably have figured that out already.
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I know, and now smash bros. has killed my thread posting privileges. That's okay though, when it finally does come out I'll be playing it rather than posting.
 
WindyMan said:
I meant it in the context in that what your government (or any government) says may not always be completely true. Whitewater happened because two people realized something was up, and that a simple burglary turned out to not be one. They did some digging, talked with sources inside government, obtained documents, and ultimately found their way to the truth. The real truth. Not the "it was just a burglary" truth.
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...so you are correlating release dates to Whitewater? You're actually sort of confusing me here with the back and forth motions you're taking.

In this case, what Nintendo is saying and what retail sources are saying conflict. Why do they conflict? Are the retailers wrong, or is Nintendo wrong? Everyone who thinks that this delay is impossible immediately assumes that the retailers MUST be wrong. Nintendo MUST be right. Well, why do you people think that way without thinking twice?
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History, facts, logic, take your pick.

That's where journalism comes in. Not just gaming journalism, but journalism in general. WHY did the Whitewater break in occur? WHY do retailers and Nintendo have conflicting release dates for a very important game? There must be a reason, even if that reason is because retailers just have an incorrect date listed. But you can't assume that. That's why we checked it with multiple retailers. One retailer could have a wrong release date listed, sure. But three? And all with dates a full month after what Nintendo has listed? Something's fishy there.
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Man, I was like you once. Silly and idealistic, I thought working for a blog/news site in disguise made me this significant journalist and every story or hot lead I chased down would lead to something amazing. It took almost four years of total irrelevancy before I could break in to anything that could be considered less than mediocre. And that's a short time. I started going to journalism school and realized that the idealism one spouts with regard to finding the "real truth" is ultimately without substance. Do or don't, words are cheap.

In any event, I have to reiterate once again, retailers adjusting dates happens constantly. But no one ever pays attention. The Phoenix Wright community, for example, is incredibly small, so pretty much every fan knows everyone else. These people religiously follow the release dates for the game and Apollo Justice has been a roller coaster within the last month. Occasionally it would slip a few days on EBGames, then for some reason be in March in Amazon, then back to February where it belongs. The reason there aren't a hundred Apollo Justice threads about it on GAF is because no one cares to monitor these sort of things. I mean, who would, really.

When Nintendo delayed Brawl from late 2007 to where it is now, do you think they made that decision and then let everyone know about it the same day?
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Yes.

Really?
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Yes.

Japan originally had no date aside from TBA. Their date was announced as January 2008 at the same conference where Sonic was revealed. He was put up on the Dojo later that night. The only actual delay for the game came at the Nintendo Wii sit-down with journalists in October, when George Harrison announced the new date. That same day, every retailer changed its date. When the Japanese date was announced, people hit retailer sites for the next few days to see if there was a date change - there was not.

If this delay pans out (and I think it will), Nintendo is going to want to soften its blow with some good news, like it did with the original delay. People didn't realize the game got delayed initially because of the awesome news of Sonic's inclusion. Even when people found out, everyone was so excited about Sonic people forgave them. How many weeks before that announcement/delay combo do you think Nintendo decided to plan that out?
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Are you new to the internet? Lots of people complained.

If gaming journalism wants to become a real journalism, then it needs to find things out before game companies tell us. Otherwise, we'll just be a tool for the game industry to report on things when they want us to. We're starting to go through that transition now. I think it would be nice if you started giving us (gaming journalism as a whole) the benefit of the doubt once in a while. Not just for something as trivial as a release date for a game that you will buy regardless. But for everything.
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I am not arguing that investigative journalism is a bad thing, nor do I feel it is out of place in the gaming industry. I am saying, however, that you are placing a false crown upon your head if you think you're applying it to any extent here. You're making severe leaps of logic and have even admitted that, if Nintendo tells you "No Comment" about something, you are taking it as confirmation. You are actually saying you expect to contact Nintendo and take no comment as confirmation. I mean, come on. Have you ever dealt with Nintendo in any significant fashion before? That's just laughable.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
Not that I don't trust you, but is this opinion or do you know this for fact?
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sp0rsk knew about Sonic beforehand.

He also knew for a fact about the absence of he who shall not be named in the game. Like, he even stated it as such.

I'm willing to bet he has an in of some sort.
 
TheKingsCrown said:
I know, and now smash bros. has killed my thread posting privileges. That's okay though, when it finally does come out I'll be playing it rather than posting.
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Kinda killed it yourself by letting paranoia get the best of ya. :lol
 
ShockingAlberto said:
...so you are correlating release dates to Whitewater? You're actually sort of confusing me here with the back and forth motions you're taking.
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You brought it up, and then took it forward with all of your other real news examples.

ShockingAlberto said:
Man, I was like you once. Silly and idealistic, I thought working for a blog/news site in disguise made me this significant journalist and every story or hot lead I chased down would lead to something amazing. It took almost four years of total irrelevancy before I could break in to anything that could be considered less than mediocre. And that's a short time. I started going to journalism school and realized that the idealism one spouts with regard to finding the "real truth" is ultimately without substance. Do or don't, words are cheap.
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As a fourth year journalism major, I take offense to that.

ShockingAlberto said:
I am not arguing that investigative journalism is a bad thing, nor do I feel it is out of place in the gaming industry. I am saying, however, that you are placing a false crown upon your head if you think you're applying it to any extent here. You're making severe leaps of logic and have even admitted that, if Nintendo tells you "No Comment" about something, you are taking it as confirmation. You are actually saying you expect to contact Nintendo and take no comment as confirmation. I mean, come on. Have you ever dealt with Nintendo in any significant fashion before? That's just laughable.
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I've dealt with Nintendo enough to know the response I'm likely to get back. That doesn't stop me from asking them. I know the response I'm going to get back. So do you. The point of it is to let them know that we know that something's up. Whether or not that something is true or not, time will tell. But if it is true, you'll need to question why Nintendo didn't let everyone know the instant it did.

I wouldn't have let our report on my website if I didn't believe what was in it was truthful and accurate. At least we're not the New York Times.

(Apologies for totally wrecking the course of the thread.)
 
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WindyMan said:
You brought it up, and then took it forward with all of your other real news examples.
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No, you brought the whole analogy up, I was merely amused by it. But now I'm pretty sure you're serious.

As a fourth year journalism major, I take offense to that.
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It was sort of meant to offend, yes.

And yes, it's nice to have other people in the fourth year journalism major party. I still think your idealism is silly.

I've dealt with Nintendo enough to know the response I'm likely to get back. That doesn't stop me from asking them. I know the response I'm going to get back. So do you. The point of it is to let them know that we know that something's up. Whether or not that something is true or not, time will tell. But if it is true, you'll need to question why Nintendo didn't let everyone know the instant it did.
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*shakes head* I really don't know what to say, then. You're rather hellbent on confirming this is true regardless of what the answer is, so it seems more sane to just let you be.

I wouldn't have let our report on my website if I didn't believe what was in it was truthful and accurate.
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I never said it was inaccurate. The retailer sites do in fact say that. Just that it's misleading.
 
Scalpel Knight said:
There is no delay. That will only be true if everyone thinks there is a delay. We control it, you see.
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Sweet, I didn't know we had Haruhi power. :D


flipping_heck said:
Exactly how i feel about Darth/Yoda in SC4,
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Same. I saw the thread title and immediately said out loud, "Now that's jumping the shark."
 
Keru_Shiri said:
You know, it figures the day I change my wallpaper to acount for DeDeDe, Olimar is revealed. :/
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Hurry, hurry, change your wallpaper to account for Olimar and we'll get Ridley or Ashley or Midna or something. :D
 
In a futile attempt to bring this thread back to Olimar, what kind of special moves do you guys think he's going to have?

He almost assuredly has a "pluck" move to replace his lost/killed pikmin, but what else?

I'm thinking some kind of pikmin throw, since it's all he does in the actual game! (Forward B?)

Then for neutral B, somehow use the whistle? Not really sure how this would work... But it does give kirby a power to steal without having to have pikmin to use it.



No idea for an Up B, what do you guys think?
 
Dreavus said:
In a futile attempt to bring this thread back to Olimar, what kind of special moves do you guys think he's going to have?

He almost assuredly has a "pluck" move to replace his lost/killed pikmin, but what else?

I'm thinking some kind of pikmin throw, since it's all he does in the actual game! (Forward B?)

Then for neutral B, somehow use the whistle? Not really sure how this would work... But it does give kirby a power to steal without having to have pikmin to use it.



No idea for an Up B, what do you guys think?
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I think id'd be kind of cool if pikmin sprouted randomly around the level and Olimar had to go pick them. The pick move is probably going to be Down+B.

I'm sure there's going to be a throw pikmin move, either B or Side+B. Up+B is probably going to be dependent on how many pikmin he has. Maybe they all throw him up or something. All 5 and you go super high, none and you don't even get a triple jump. Could also depend on the flower level (or whatever that's called) of the pikmin.

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MisterHero said:
I'm thinking about his Final Smash. 100 Pikmin take the field FTW :D
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Oh god that'd be sweet. 100 Pikmin leap onto the stage and start beating the crap out of the nearest character.
 
Holy Order Sol said:
Isn't there a kind of Pikmin that is physically much stronger than the others ? One of those could lift Olimar and throw him upwards for his Up B.
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Purple is the strongest pikmin (strength = 10 pikmin).
 
Jiggy37 said:
Hurry, hurry, change your wallpaper to account for Olimar and we'll get Ridley or Ashley or Midna or something. :D
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Once one becomes available, I'll be more than happy to. :lol

AceBandage said:
MewTwo with saber is basically the same thing.
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No, Mewtwo with helmet, cape, badass voice changer, AND beamsaber is the same thing. :D

Man, I hope Mewtwo comes back.
 
Scalpel Knight said:
Namco Bandai stealing attention from SSBB by letting 1UP post Star Wars info confirmed?
I know I know I'm just being silly!
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I hope Sakurai counters with another megaton.

2 hit combo!
 
I do not have a source for my claims, HOWEVER, if there was some sort of delay, I would probably know. Besides, "March 31st" isn't a date, and a month delay would serve no real purpose.
 
Keru_Shiri said:
Once one becomes available, I'll be more than happy to. :lol

No, Mewtwo with helmet, cape, badass voice changer, AND beamsaber is the same thing. :D

Man, I hope Mewtwo comes back.
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And have that cool team rocket armor on for an alt costume!
 
Time for some speculation (I haven't done this in a while):

Olimar starts off with his 5 pikmin already plucked. He can only have 5 total with no doubles. When they die a new one sprouts somewhere on the map. You can pluck it with Down B right away if you need help or leave it in the ground so it can grow into a bud or flower. If you let them develop their special ability will be more effective and they will be stronger. Purple will do the most damage, White has a stunning poisonous effect etc.
 
I posted this earlier, but I think his moveset will be something like this:

B- change type of pikmin at the front of line
Forward B- uses whistle and pikmin charge
Down B-plant/pull pikin
Up B- throwing pikmin, with a hop like yoshi's egg toss
grab- a chain of pikmin. length varies depending on how many pikin you have at the time.
 
So do you guys think that there will be a bunch of new characters revealed in these last updates before the release? I thought I heard someone say that by release, all the base chars would be up on the site.
 
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