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[nVidiot_Whore]

lol

I would like any religion specific business to be forced by law to carry products based on all religions, and for agnostics, atheists, and anyone else. Their nerve forcing something down my throat when I chose to try to find a book at that store over somewhere else!!! Not to mention if I was facing hard times and needed any sort of job! I might want to apply there, but religion makes me uncomfortable and I don't endorse it..

Your analogy is as stupid as your habit.

 

[TheSeks]

And I disagree, and 5 years ago had the chance to vote on this disagreement where I live, and my side won

The vast majority of people don't smoke.. that includes people who want to frequent bars.. I don't your logic holds up all that well personally. I don't correlate drinking and cigarette smoking.

Sure, and I voted for the ban in Florida as well. *gasp*

Going to bars that are strictly bars, as a 21+-only establishment, you should expect cigs to be smoked inside. Compared to going to restaurants that are for all ages.

Besides, Cigs and Alcohol are both habit forming drugs (in before DrugGAF, you know what I mean), why wouldn't you expect only one in a bar that is for adults?

 

[reilo]

lol

I would like any religion specific business to be forced by law to carry products based on all religions, and for agnostics, atheists, and anyone else. Their nerve forcing something down my throat when I chose to try to find a book at that store over somewhere else!!! Not to mention if I was facing hard times and needed any sort of job! I might want to apply there, but religion makes me uncomfortable and I don't endorse it. Why are they limiting potential jobs I have access to? Oh wait, they aren't. I would be the one doing that. Just like some people refuse to work retail because they can't handle dickbag customers non-stop. Lots of shit in life should come down to making choices. You should trying doing that sometime without forcing it on others.

If I was demanding that I should be able to smoke in a place you had to be like your own home or car... Or even in every single restaurant or bar. I might care about what you're saying.

Hey look at that. We were discussing apples and someone started comparing it to oranges. Wonderful.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

lol

I would like any religion specific business to be forced by law to carry products based on all religions, and for agnostics, atheists, and anyone else. Their nerve forcing something down my throat when I chose to try to find a book at that store over somewhere else!!! Not to mention if I was facing hard times and needed any sort of job! I might want to apply there, but religion makes me uncomfortable and I don't endorse it. Why are they limiting potential jobs I have access to? Oh wait, they aren't. I would be the one doing that. Just like some people refuse to work retail because they can't handle dickbag customers non-stop. Lots of shit in life should come down to making choices. You should trying doing that sometime without forcing it on others.

If I was demanding that I should be able to smoke in a place you had to be like your own home or car... Or even in every single restaurant or bar. I might care about what you're saying.

What are they "forcing down your throat" and how is this negatively affecting your health like smoking does?

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

Going to bars that are strictly bars, as a 21+-only establishment, you should expect cigs to be smoked inside. Compared to going to restaurants that are for all ages.

Just, because?

I understand what you are saying, but I don't know how it actually applies to the law.

I'd love to be able to fuck my girlfriend at a bar, but I can't. That's an adult activity that often goes along with drinking.. why can't I fuck my girlfriend in the bar? Oh.. some other precedent has been set where this legal activity is illegal in a public bar? That's understandable. And smoking bans should be understandable too. Smoking is downright disgusting even outside, let alone inside of a closed room. It's putrid.

It's progress.

 

[chaostrophy]

I never really minded smoking in bars before the ban in my state. For me the smoke was easy to ignore while I was out drinking and having a good time with my friends. But since my state banned smoking in bars it has been nice to not have my nose filled with nasty black mucus in the mornings after I go out.

 

[Drkirby]

Orlando area. Where in FL do they ban it? I got back to Chicago in April so things may have changed. I see a YouTube vid from 6 days ago saying they were considering a smoking ban.

... I didn't even notice there wasn't a smoking ban up here. I came from Palm Beach County (In south Florida), where smoking in Restaurants has been banned for a decade. It is like that for just about any area in South Florida. I thought it was actually a state measure, and not something that every county in the southern part passed.

Looking at some news articles, the local law markers are discussing a smoking ban here, though it is an odd one though. It is actually a ban for smoking outdoors on public property.

 

[MutFox]

lol

I would like any religion specific business to be forced by law to carry products based on all religions, and for agnostics, atheists, and anyone else. Their nerve forcing something down my throat when I chose to try to find a book at that store over somewhere else!!! Not to mention if I was facing hard times and needed any sort of job! I might want to apply there, but religion makes me uncomfortable and I don't endorse it. Why are they limiting potential jobs I have access to? Oh wait, they aren't. I would be the one doing that. Just like some people refuse to work retail because they can't handle dickbag customers non-stop. Lots of shit in life should come down to making choices. You should trying doing that sometime without forcing it on others.

If I was demanding that I should be able to smoke in a place you had to be like your own home or car... Or even in every single restaurant or bar. I might care about what you're saying.

Sound like a person that doesn't think of others.
people like you are awesome.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

What is this private business bullshit? We are talking about a health issue here.

Speaking of health issue. I would like to ban fast food. I love it when people I see stuffing shit down their face non-stop tell me I shouldn't smoke. Fortunately for them I've decided it is none of my business, and choose to rarely eat at these places because of the types of horrible and dangerous items they push. Is this sounding familiar at all?

I would like to propose that you must be 21 to eat fast food in this country.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

People can throw all sorts of analogies around, they aren't going to compare to how disgusting and obnoxious smoking cigarettes is. Putrid smoke that irritates lungs and eyes? It serves no purpose other than to fulfill your retarded addiction your brain tricks you into believing you "enjoy" that you got yourself into? GTFO of here with your shit stinking smoke you dirty fucks.

 

[Shiggy]

Speaking of health issue. I would like to ban fast food. I love it when people I see stuffing shit down their face non-stop tell me I shouldn't smoke. Fortunately for them I've decided it is none of my business, and choose to rarely eat at these places because of the types of horrible and dangerous items they push. Is this sounding familiar at all?

I would like to propose that you must be 21 to eat fast food in this country.

Thank goodness when eating fast food you do not harm the health of others and you do not make everyone stink

 

[Zoe]

Speaking of health issue. I would like to ban fast food. I love it when people I see stuffing shit down their face non-stop tell me I shouldn't smoke. Fortunately for them I've decided it is none of my business, and choose to rarely eat at these places because of the types of horrible and dangerous items they push. Is this sounding familiar at all?

I would like to propose that you must be 21 to eat fast food in this country.

The grease from another person's fast food burger isn't going to magically jump into your mouth.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Speaking of health issue. I would like to ban fast food. I love it when people I see stuffing shit down their face non-stop tell me I shouldn't smoke. Fortunately for them I've decided it is none of my business, and choose to rarely eat at these places because of the types of horrible and dangerous items they push. Is this sounding familiar at all?

I would like to propose that you must be 21 to eat fast food in this country.

Other people eating food STILL isn't affecting your health, can you stay on topic for at least one post?

 

[345triangle]

i don't smoke cigarettes, but i am not happy that the blanket smoking ban basically wiped out shisha/hookah bars in the UK, and there is zero justification for it. absolutely nobody wants to go into that kind of place who isn't okay with the idea of being in a smoky room - it's entirely the point of those places existing.

it's simply lazy legislation. by all means ban smoking in restaurants and cafes, but to not allow for the concept of a smoky bar (even an alcohol-free one, like most shisha places!) is pure madness.

 

[frankie_baby]

if someone wants to run a business that allows smoking i say let them, if anyone is bothered they can go somewhere else, completely anneccdotally i've known a couple of people that have started smoking (again) just to go outside when all there mates go outside for a fag

 

[indigo-cyclops]

People can throw all sorts of analogies around, they aren't going to compare to how disgusting and obnoxious smoking cigarettes is. Putrid smoke that irritates lungs and eyes? It serves no purpose other than to fulfill your retarded addiction your brain tricks you into believing you "enjoy" that you got yourself into? GTFO of here with your shit stinking smoke you dirty fucks.

Holy shit, angry much? I understand your arguments but that's just excessive and unnecessary.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

Hey look at that. We were discussing apples and someone started comparing it to oranges. Wonderful.

Really how is it any different? If I don't like something I will avoid it. If you don't like smoking? Avoid it. I'm not tell you every restaurant or bar has to allow it. I'm saying owners should be able to decide if they do or not. Based on that you can choose where you want to go.

Your analogy is as stupid as your habit.

Stupid you say? I thought it would work well for most of the people in this thread.

What are they "forcing down your throat" and how is this negatively affecting your health like smoking does?

Smoking does not have to negatively affect your health. If I was walking into a restaurant and saw smoking going on I might be inclined to go somewhere else if I was worried about it.

 

[Shiggy]

if someone wants to run a business that allows smoking i say let them, if anyone is bothered they can go somewhere else, completely anneccdotally i've known a couple of people that have started smoking (again) just to go outside when all there mates go outside for a fag

As said several times that did not work out. Before bans, you rarely saw smoke-free businesses. Going by your argumentation, you would also want private businesses to be allowed to allow one person shoot another one in there...if visitors do not like that, they don't need to go their either. After all, it's a private business, right? But that's not how a society and a state work. The state is meant to guarantee certain rights to its people, one of these rights being physical integrity.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

Holy shit, angry much? I understand your arguments but that's just excessive and unnecessary.

I personally don't think my thoughts are excessive. I am consistently annoyed by smokers, I find most of them to be rude asses. Driving next to someone smoking? They will be hanging their hand out their own window.. the smoke very likely to get in your car.. gee, why are you holding your hand out the window? Oh? Because you don't want smoke in your car? Yeah, well go fuck yourself.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

if someone wants to run a business that allows smoking i say let them, if anyone is bothered they can go somewhere else

For what it's worth, I don't think this line of reasoning is nonsensical. However, it may not really work out for everyone. The problem is what if nobody opens up that non-smoking establishment? What if said non-smoking establishments don't tend to be the hip places where people want to go? One might suggest that this is not really all that problematic, as there's simply not enough demand for a non-smoking establishment and the invisible hand of the market is working. However, this is less than ideal if you are, in fact, a non-smoker and would rather not be around smoke.

Now, we could just simply tell that non-smoker to quit belly-aching and either stay home or tough it out, but given the legitimate health concerns with second-hand smoke and the justifiable complaints of the smell being a nuisance, this isn't all that compelling.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

Other people eating food STILL isn't affecting your health, can you stay on topic for at least one post?

It makes me depressed to see people doing that to themselves. What if I had a family member eat themselves to death. My emotiona well being andl health is as important as your lungs. I can make up all kinds of ridiculous shit just like you guys.

 

[Zoe]

Smoking does not have to negatively affect your health. If I was walking into a restaurant and saw smoking going on I might be inclined to go somewhere else if I was worried about it.

And what if you were sitting down, already eating, in a restaurant where nobody was smoking, and then a party gets seated next to you and the first thing they do is bust out the cigarettes?

 

[Shiggy]

It makes me depressed to see people doing that to themselves. What if I had a family member eat themselves to death. My emotiona well being andl health is as important as your lungs. I can make up all kinds of ridiculous shit just like you guys.

Are you fucking serious now? I'd like to see your statistics about passive fast food eaters now.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

For what it's worth, I don't think this line of reasoning is nonsensical. However, it may not really work out for everyone. The problem is what if nobody opens up that non-smoking establishment? What if said non-smoking establishments don't tend to be the hip places where people want to go? One might suggest that this is not really all that problematic, as there's simply not enough demand for a non-smoking establishment and the invisible hand of the market is working. However, this is less than ideal if you are, in fact, a non-smoker and would rather not be around smoke.

Now, we could just simply tell that non-smoker to quit belly-aching and either stay home or tough it out, but given the legitimate health concerns with second-hand smoke and the justifiable complaints of the smell being a nuisance, this isn't all that compelling.

Tough shit. What if no one opens up smoking establishments? Tough shit again. Besides you know neither of those instances would ever happen.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Really how is it any different? If I don't like something I will avoid it. If you don't like smoking? Avoid it. I'm not tell you every restaurant or bar has to allow it. I'm saying owners should be able to decide if they do or not. Based on that you can choose where you want to go.



Stupid you say? I thought it would work well for most of the people in this thread.



Smoking does not have to negatively affect your health. If I was walking into a restaurant and saw smoking going on I might be inclined to go somewhere else if I was worried about it.

Except it does? What are you not getting exactly? Sitting in a room with a bunch of people smoking negatively affects my health. Sitting in a room with a bunch of people eating fast food DOES NOT negatively affect my health. This is ridiculously simple.

 

[Magni]

smoking does seem more prevalent in europe but i'm pretty sure it's on the decline there as well. i think asia is the only place where smoking is actually making progress.

One word. Africa.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

Smoking does not have to negatively affect your health. If I was walking into a restaurant and saw smoking going on I might be inclined to go somewhere else if I was worried about it.

I also can vote "yes" on initiatives that make it more convenient to go out, and bans smoking at all indoor establishments.

Because that's what I want, and I honestly couldn't care less about the smokers imagined "right" to smoke, or the business owners imagined "right" to allow smoking. Go make yourself smell like shit.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

I personally don't think my thoughts are excessive. I am consistently annoyed by smokers, I find most of them to be rude asses. Driving next to someone smoking? They will be hanging their hand out their own window.. the smoke very likely to get in your car.. gee, why are you holding your hand out the window? Oh? Because you don't want smoke in your car? Yeah, well go fuck yourself.

Fair enough, I see what you're saying. That last post just seemed more on impulse, but I get your position totally.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

Are you fucking serious now?

I am arguing a stupid point with shit that is just as ridiculous, so my serious level should be totally in line with you guys. So for everyone's sake I hope I'm not.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Tough shit. What if no one opens up smoking establishments? Tough shit again. Besides you know neither of those instances would ever happen.

When smoking was permitted locally and I smoked, I don't recall ever going to a bar where the enforced policy of the business was against smoking. At best, there were restrictions based on the particular room or section of a room where smoking was permitted in dining areas. But I don't recall ever having to make a call to not go to one place over another because I was concerned about not being allowed to smoke.

 

[nateeasy]

Wouldn't be shocked if smoking became illegal in 15-20 years.

 

[Warm Machine]

There was a huge uproar in Vancouver/British Columbia when they put this into effect. Since then, and for the last decade, bars and restaurants have been busier than ever.

 

[MutFox]

Speaking of health issue. I would like to ban fast food. I love it when people I see stuffing shit down their face non-stop tell me I shouldn't smoke. Fortunately for them I've decided it is none of my business, and choose to rarely eat at these places because of the types of horrible and dangerous items they push. Is this sounding familiar at all?

I would like to propose that you must be 21 to eat fast food in this country.

I don't think you understand,
or maybe you do, but can't stand being wrong.

1 harms only you, the other harms you and others at the same time.
Not sure you'll understand that though.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

Except it does? What are you not getting exactly? Sitting in a room with a bunch of people smoking negatively affects my health. Sitting in a room with a bunch of people eating fast food DOES NOT negatively affect my health. This is ridiculously simple.

I can't believe how brain dead people are. You do not have to sit in a room with smokers. You have a choice to go somewhere else that does not allow smoking.

 

[Escape Goat]

I can't believe how brain dead people are. You do not have to sit in a room with smokers. You have a choice to go somewhere else that does not allow smoking.

lol the "no u" defense

 

[Shiggy]

I am arguing a stupid point with shit that is just as ridiculous, so my serious level should be totally in line with you guys. So for everyone's sake I hope I'm not.

So you seriously doubt that smoking has a negative effect on other people? That's outright ignorant and arrogant.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

Wouldn't be shocked if smoking became illegal in 15-20 years.

Then I want alcohol illegal as well, it's only fair.


Passive fast food consumption is golden, though...

 

[balladofwindfishes]

It makes me depressed to see people doing that to themselves. What if I had a family member eat themselves to death. My emotiona well being andl health is as important as your lungs. I can make up all kinds of ridiculous shit just like you guys.

this is hilarious. I'm in tears

I mean, god damn, this is what you pose as your argument

I can't believe how brain dead people are. You do not have to sit in a room with smokers. You have a choice to go somewhere else that does not allow smoking.

What if you don't have that choice as no other similar non-smoking restaurant exists?

 

[frankie_baby]

For what it's worth, I don't think this line of reasoning is nonsensical. However, it may not really work out for everyone. The problem is what if nobody opens up that non-smoking establishment? What if said non-smoking establishments don't tend to be the hip places where people want to go? One might suggest that this is not really all that problematic, as there's simply not enough demand for a non-smoking establishment and the invisible hand of the market is working. However, this is less than ideal if you are, in fact, a non-smoker and would rather not be around smoke.

Now, we could just simply tell that non-smoker to quit belly-aching and either stay home or tough it out, but given the legitimate health concerns with second-hand smoke and the justifiable complaints of the smell being a nuisance, this isn't all that compelling.

or how about in any given town have licences where a certain number of pubs could allow smoking and then see where people want to go

 

[daycru]

I can't believe how brain dead people are. You do not have to sit in a room with smokers. You have a choice to go somewhere else that does not allow smoking.

And you have a choice to go somewhere that does allow smoking: home.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

Fair enough, I see what you're saying. That lost post just seemed more on impulse, but I get your position totally.

I consider it a massive delusion that people don't recognize just how rude smoking cigarettes is. What other habit has you blowing acrid smoke into the air where people are going to inhale it, get it on their clothes, int heir hair, etc?

And it serves absolutely zero purpose other than your own addiction. That's why it doesn't relate to the smell of food, to car exhaust, or any number of terrible analogies you'll see smokers come up with that actually serve a purpose with their potential "pollution."

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

I don't think you understand,
or maybe you do, but can't stand being wrong.

1 harms only you, the other harms you and others at the same time.
Not sure you'll understand that though.

Nope, it harms people I love. And therefor negatively effects my mental health.

This argument is no different from you guys complaining that you decided to go somewhere that allowed smoking and that it is bad for your health. AGAIN, DON'T DO THAT. I would say that would be a really bad decisions considering your stance on the issue. I would advise you to go somewhere else to eat.

 

[Shiggy]

Nope, it harms people I love. And therefor negatively effects my mental health.

This argument is no different from you guys complaining that you decided to go somewhere that allowed smoking and that it is bad for your health. AGAIN, DON'T DO THAT. I would say that would be a really bad decisions considering your stance on the issue. I would advise you to go somewhere else to eat.

Why don't you simply go somewhere else to smoke where it doesn't annoy and harm the other visitors? The way you behave here that would probably the best thing you could do.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Nope, it harms people I love. And therefor negatively effects my mental health.

This argument is no different from you guys complaining that you decided to go somewhere that allowed smoking and that it is bad for your health. AGAIN, DON'T DO THAT. I would say that would be a really bad decisions considering your stance on the issue. I would advise you to go somewhere else to eat.

Do you have stats to back up that the amount of problems caused by "second hand obesity" is identical to that of second hand smoke?

Because you're making a ridiculous comparison with no backing and then saying it's a legitimate argument.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

or how about in any given town have licences where a certain number of pubs could allow smoking and then see where people want to go

I could see that. But the thing is, who determines the number of licenses and which establishments get them? What happens to the places that want the licenses that are denied? Sounds like the local government is playing favoritism.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

This ban has happened to my state. As much as I hate smoking and the smell of smoke, I just don't like the fact that the government tells private businesses whether they can allow smoking or not.

I won't say whether or not smoking bans are good or bad for businesses.

I will say that in absolutely every area I've ever heard about implementing a smoking ban, the following has happened:

1) Many people, maybe even a majority, complain that it is unfair and unnecessary and their rights etc. I am not evaluating this claim, simply saying that the claim is made.
2) The ban gets passed anyway.
3) It instantly drops off the public consciousness, no one ever really cares five seconds later, and no attempts are ever made to undo the ban.
4) A year or two later people say "Remember when people used to smoke in restaurants and bars? Holy fuck, wasn't that like in the 80s or something?" and then go on with their day.

What it reminds me of is, actually, legalizing gay marriage. I know the two issues aren't equivalent, but in terms of the ferocity of protest before hand and the speed with which people stop caring once it does happen.

True.

 

[Shiggy]

This ban has happened to my state. As much as I hate smoking and the smell of smoke, I just don't like the fact that the government tells private businesses whether they can allow smoking or not.

What do you think about the government telling private businesses other things? For example that they are not allowed to put toxic ingredients into food (well, in the US they are, but in other civlised countries they aren't). Or what about people not being allowed to go into restaurants naked?

 

[frankie_baby]

I could see that. But the thing is, who determines the number of licenses and which establishments get them? What happens to the places that want the licenses that are denied? Sounds like the local government is playing favoritism.

happens already when it comes alcohol

 

[railGUN]

And you have a choice to go somewhere that does allow smoking: home.

lol, apparently he's not allowed to smoke there - and has no problem with that...

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

I consider it a massive delusion that people don't recognize just how rude smoking cigarettes is. What other habit has you blowing acrid smoke into the air where people are going to inhale it, get it on their clothes, int heir hair, etc?

And it serves absolutely zero purpose other than your own addiction. That's why it doesn't relate to the smell of food, to car exhaust, or any number of terrible analogies you'll see smokers come up with that actually serve a purpose with their potential "pollution."

Stop driving cars please. Our environment is environment and health is going to shit because of people's addiction to driving. Get a bike asshole! Really, I love how demonized smoking has become. Radio littered with anti-smoking teen ads while I see insanely fat 10 year olds waddling down the street. When smoking is banned everywhere you guys will be fucked to find out there is a ton of shit you just can't do anything about, while you spent all of this time bitching about smoking when you could just make a choice and avoid it.