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Sniping in online shooters is such a bitch move...
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BolognaSoup
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KHarvey16 said:
He said "being on a team full of snipers..." sucks
wolfmat
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This is just as ridiculous as people complaining about Hadouken spamming. It's in the game, it's fair to use it. Man up and find ways to defeat the enemy.
Sure, there are games where snipers use faults of the game to their advantage, so they propel themselves inside a building mesh which only shows textures outwards or something like that. But that's an entirely different thing than a sniper using all his skill at an advantageous spot to slaughter noobs who hang at some corners waiting for the sound of footsteps or something ridiculous like that.
Sure, there are games where snipers use faults of the game to their advantage, so they propel themselves inside a building mesh which only shows textures outwards or something like that. But that's an entirely different thing than a sniper using all his skill at an advantageous spot to slaughter noobs who hang at some corners waiting for the sound of footsteps or something ridiculous like that.
HappyBivouac
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There are only a few games that get sniping right in terms of mechanics and level design.
MGO is one of them.
MGO is one of them.
Yep, I just started playing it a couple of days ago, also from the Steam sale. It seems interesting, though the combination of auto-updating map with old-style map symbols seems strange, plus in the first map I was having a hard time being sneaky since it consisted of a bunch of blocked-in roads with barricades and I didn't see much of a way to flank them as a sniper to know whether someone was just sitting behind them or not. I'm playing on normal so I don't really take much damage at least...I can just wait until someone starts running at me with a machine gun and hit them then.Gexecuter said:
jim-jam bongs
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KHarvey16 said:
Clearly the answer is yes.
Seriously though, if the other team is just sniping and not advancing at all (i.e. turtling) it makes the game pretty boring for players who do like to get into the thick of it. That's probably the thing that annoys non-snipers the most really; if the other team is full of people playing an assault role, it doesn't disadvantage snipers, but if the other team is all snipers it sure as hell messes up the assault guys. Personally I just play the role which is low on numbers when I (very occasionally, these days) play team-based FPS.
wolfmat
Confirmed Asshole
It's really older than that, it's as old as games themselves.Wallach said:
In Go, newcomers often think it's smart to mirror enemy moves. So if you're black and thus begin, you put your first stone in the middle of the board, then mirror every one of white's moves.
Turns out it's easy to defeat that tactic - one way is encircling a mirrored block with a spiral, using the fact that you're first to your advantage.
Same in chess - there are some starting formations that are said to be near undefeatable by novice players. Most of them can be crushed by sacrificing at the right spot to gain the advantage.
In realtime games, sure, there is no such thing as first-move advantage, but you fuckin have the advantage of movement, of choice, of coordination.
To defeat a sniper, use a fucking tactic. It's real simple. Coordinate with another player and flank the guy so that at least one of you guys is out of his field of view.
Take 5 minutes to think about the problem, find a valid tactic, then execute it. Rinse and repeat until you have the upper hand. Congratulations, you've just really won a battle for the first time.
pahamrick said:
Yeah, respond to this.
How does a bunch of random morons on BF2 for 360 translate to all snipers in multiplayer are shit?
If you do not see a vast difference between some guy on BF2 360 sitting in a bush doing nothing and a guy holding down a bomb site in CS:S with a scout then i'm afraid your a lost cause.
and hey look
no bushes!
BlueTsunami
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DryvBy2 said:
That's the result of him trying to take down a sniper... from across the map... with his AK-47.
BolognaSoup said:
Not to derail, but I do play MW2, quite a bit, and there is nothing at all broken with the knife class. Just as a disclaimer, I'm not trying to defend something I do, because I pretty much solely use ARs (with the occasional SMG), but if you're getting knifed, you're just not that great of a player. Even on maps like Favela, you NEVER have to be running blindly around corners. Unless you're running through the middle of rooms or the center of town (in which case, YOU should be using a knife or shotgun, since you seem to think they are that overpowered), you can always take your time around corners and not just step out and hope for the best.
And seriously, shotguns blow the hell out of knifers. If anything, the dual 1887's are/were way more broken than the knifing ever was. I have yet to meet a knifing guy that was actually decent. In other words, if you're decent, you won't have a problem with them. More on topic, the same applies to sniping. In games where it is balanced, such as MW2, you're just not a very good player if you have a problem with sniping, knifing, shooting any gun period(?). What are we left with...?
The OP has a point, but as many have already pointed out, it has everything to do with game/map design. You suck if you're bitching about sniping as a whole, because it is very much balanced, and not at all cheap in many, many shooters out there. Snipers trade the ability to defend themselves at mid-range (and close-range to some extent, depends on the game), and are severely gimped as far as awareness of your surroundings go, while they are aiming down the sight. Like any other type of class, it has it's pros and cons. It's not an easy win button. I don't see how the OP can defend that it is.
"Cheapness is truly the mantra of the scrub." - Sirlin
KHarvey16 said:
I'm annoyed HOW they kill. And how they kill, in addition to being cheap, can be detriment to the general flow of the game. I played BC for 2hours today and was only sniped 4 or 5 times. That's about average for a session of that length, not a lot at all but still. Without question I kill snipers way more than they kill me but that ultimately doesn't matter. It annoys me. Even if I get sniped once the notion that the guy who just killed me didn't out aim me, out flank me or out smart me, but did so outside the battle proper with w single shot annoys me. And yes, the more snipers a team has the less competitive that team tends to be and that's not fun. I hate every Lady Gaga song ever, doesn't mean she kicked me in the balls each time she dropped a single. I'm not sure how or why the assumption that this stems from constantly being sniper fodder has gained such traction in this thread, other than it being a quick and easy flame from people who regularly engage in this bitch ass style of play.
water_wendi
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Oddly enough, in competitive games, i find the way i have the most fun is depleting the fun from others. It must be some form of vampirism.Ultima_5 said:
CurlySaysX
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snipers should show up on radar all the time and give you a kill cam whenever you are shot so you know where the bastards are.
I think TF2 does sniper well as the main sniper rifle has a laser pointer so you always know where the sniper is pointing or where its coming from. IMO
I think TF2 does sniper well as the main sniper rifle has a laser pointer so you always know where the sniper is pointing or where its coming from. IMO
Nameless said:
He did outsmart you though. You ran the risk of moving into a location where you could easily get sniped, didn't maneuver in a manner that made it difficult for him to hit you or gave up your position by spamming your fire.
The sniper IS a part of the game and you need to take that into account when you run balls out into the enemy position.
The_Inquisitor
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I love killing snipers from across the map with my scar and a red dot sight. However my K/D ratio has been deplorable as of late, and its thanks to thermal sight campers. UGGHH
Nameless said:
That's because it doesn't take a whole lot to outsmart the average player. There are just too many players who want to play the game their way, say fuck the team work and strategy and suicide themselves to the snipers.
The fact that nobody was shutting you down just means you were playing against a shitty team.
I don't care about snipers, but campers are the worst. And no its not the same. A camper will hide in a room facing a doorway just waiting the whole match.. never moving and hoping that someone will go by so they could kill them. What sucks is that games like MW2 reward this kind of behavior 
Edit-Also playing like that destroys any actual skills you would have if you played the game normally. I ran into an entire team that played this way. I got around them and caught them off guard. I obliterated them, it was like they didn't know what to do.
Edit-Also playing like that destroys any actual skills you would have if you played the game normally. I ran into an entire team that played this way. I got around them and caught them off guard. I obliterated them, it was like they didn't know what to do.
wolfmat
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That is the first thing one should learn. If you fuck up all the time, chances are you're not putting any thoughts into your actions.nestea said:
As soon as snipers are on the map, yes, the game gets to a higher level of play. If you can't cope with that, maybe you should contact other players so that they give you hints about how to get them snipers down.
Snipers rarely have a 100% advantage. That means you can approach them in almost all cases.
In a churchtower scenario, approaching the elevated position from opposite directions with 3 dudes is basically the key to taking the guy down.
In an open-field scenario, use flanks and create diversions.
In a corridor scenario, counter with another sniper.
And so forth.
Nameless said:
How didn't people give you enough reasons yet? You're just ignoring all the reasons because it was the truth. And you can't handle the truth.
Myself earlier said:
Sniping is just as valid as the people running around Rambo, like it or not. Learn not to run around in the open.
Nameless said:
In most of the games I've played, sniping involves being an active part of the battle, engaging enemies, and often defending objectives or helping people attack.
aight, why?
Every single good FPS player I've talked to doesn't care about camping. Which is the sane thing to do. Getting mad at people for camping where it works is like getting mad at people for snaking when it makes them drive faster. Skill is skill. Your specific ideas of "honor" and "manliness" aren't skill.
who does this (in good games)
usually still in danger of getting shot in some form or another (in good games) but aight
If they're getting kills and defending objectives, they're obviously helping the team. Which would mean that they're doing well in the game. Which might put sniping above being amazing at close range combat, if the results are better. Which would mean that they are skilled players. Whether or not they're amazing at other forms of combat doesn't matter at all if the game rewards what they're doing as it is. Telling people to not do something that works is more of a playground game rules thing, not a video game thing.
Any well-designed map or well-made game will ensure that the sniper rifle isn't the only weapon worth using. Any good game would make sure that a sniper couldn't stay in one spot unless they're against the most idiotic of opposition. If sniping is truly the clear choice as the most viable option (that is, if the absolute best players of the game consider it "cheap", "safe", and whatever else you've been calling it), then the game is a game about sniping, and it probably blows.
In short, the problem doesn't sound like whether or not sniping as a whole is "cheap," but rather that...
...it sounds like you play some shitty games.
Nobody can tell you why snipers aren't cheap because "cheap" makes no sense. Are you saying that snipers are usually overpowered or are you not? If they are, play better games. If they're not, get over yourself and stop expecting people to follow your made-up rules. No tagbacks.
akachan ningen
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The only problem is how easy it is to snipe. They should make it harder by having more realistic sights, more wavering when you stand or crouch, or maybe forcing you to adjust for the wind.
akachan ningen
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wmat said:
Yeah, I know but I'm talking about FPSs that people actually play.
Depending on the game, if I get sniped I try my best to try and out stealth them, especially on bigger maps like in MAG or Battlefield etc. Bit of crawling, sneak up behind and knife them. Stick a claymore or something in that spot, then piss off. Get a kill a few mins later when they come back for revenge. Pisses them off I bet. :lol
SenorDingDong
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Not an issue in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory. In RTCW it's a more conventional bolt action sniper rifle, while in Enemy Territory it's a faster firing but weaker rifle. In either case a sniper could just as easily be dropped by a smg over long range if spotted out of cover.
KHarvey16 said:
And you sound like a 'man' with no point. Or that 'guy' who quotes movie lines in real conversations in an attempt to sound clever. The flaming in this thread is what I was expecting. Snipers: Bitches Exposed. Again, pick up an auto--might be scary at first but you'll get better 'dude'.
TemplaerDude
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i accept snipers. i'm a shitty one. always have been. rarely play that class unless forced.
any game with snipers though it's always about keeping moving and knowing where they are probably hiding, knowing the map, stuff like that.
is it "fair"? ehhh debatable. but then again nothing really is.
any game with snipers though it's always about keeping moving and knowing where they are probably hiding, knowing the map, stuff like that.
is it "fair"? ehhh debatable. but then again nothing really is.