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Snowden took literally everything when he left. Shit is getting real.
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This is consistent with what Rick Ledgett of the NSA told CBS' 60 Minutes
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nsa-speaks-out-on-snowden-spying/
They allege that Snowden has thousands of documents on NSA gap assessments - assessments that outline the capabilities of the NSA with what they can and cannot do.
Such a thing would be quite valuable to the intelligence services of foreign nations, and it's quite likely that Snowden is trading these for his continued freedom in Russia and passage out of China. He's a traitor, plain and simple.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nsa-speaks-out-on-snowden-spying/
They allege that Snowden has thousands of documents on NSA gap assessments - assessments that outline the capabilities of the NSA with what they can and cannot do.
Such a thing would be quite valuable to the intelligence services of foreign nations, and it's quite likely that Snowden is trading these for his continued freedom in Russia and passage out of China. He's a traitor, plain and simple.
PflargBlarg
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Hey, as long as he doesn't release anything that gets people killed I'm all for him releasing as much as possible. Total hero in my books.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Can we learn what Russia, and China, and the UK, and Germany, and every other nation with a half-functioning intelligence agency is up to as well? Cause if we don't all this really results in is a net loss for the US in terms of information economy.
Can Crusher
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Oh you mean the list of dirty laundry. Well the truth will set you free. That's not actual national security though is it? Maybe the world should start taking steps to stop all this spy bullshit, and overthrowing governments in places you want to control resources and political decision making.
Outrageous affront that compromises our ability to ascertain and eliminate threats. Undoubtedly, our enemies have adapted to avoid legally sound techniques developed and honed by NSA officials to penetrate and procure their most cherished info. Moreover, there's not a smidgen of doubt that Snowden gave the Soviets and Chinese our most valued informational, humnit, and opsec resources. Thus, if Obama were any kind of chief executive, one who not only swore an oath to the Constitution but actually believed in the principles behind it, then there's only viable option left and that is to follow the Anwar al-Awlaki precendent
I'm crying
NullPointer
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We'd be behind for twenty years in access to what?
I'm just going to assume the answer is "literally everything" and that we're now twenty years behind accessing it, whatever the fuck that means.
I'm just going to assume the answer is "literally everything" and that we're now twenty years behind accessing it, whatever the fuck that means.
Good lord people. He's a defector, he has a state pension, 24 hour a day personal protection, cable TV offers and a list of jobs he can take and never get fired from. He is going to live like a goddamned rockstar on the backs of dead Russian penetrations.
Well, until he's no longer useful. Then he'll be shuttled away to a little dacha somewhere and trotted out once in a while to film propaganda for the state.
Umm, health care, internet, infrastructure, education. Oh wait...
Unless it is revealed DC is powered by the souls white children I don't see that happening.
backflip10019
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Stuff. And things.
Also, Snowden should really get his neck mole looked at. That thing looks malicious.
ElectricBlue187
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Please set the intelligence community back 20 years. Set them right at the end of the Cold War. They need that. Badly.
TheGreatDirector
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But did he leave the kitchen sink?
This is serious business though. Who would've thought one man could hold so much of the U.S.'s security in his own hands.
This is serious business though. Who would've thought one man could hold so much of the U.S.'s security in his own hands.
I'd love to know what the NSA is doing to protect citizens.. so far we have...multiple attacks on the WTC, and domestic terrorism around the clock. But they tell us we can't know, and to keep giving them money.
sure, when his documents expose all undercover agents, and they and their families are killed, sure.. sure.. hes a traitor. Until that day, this is all the NSA's fault for having 1 fucking folder called "secret.docs"
sure, when his documents expose all undercover agents, and they and their families are killed, sure.. sure.. hes a traitor. Until that day, this is all the NSA's fault for having 1 fucking folder called "secret.docs"
I'm reminded of the fact that a British soccer analyst (Jamie Redknapp IIRC) got an anti-award from the Plain English Campaign for "abuse of the word literally". Specifically something to the effect of "the ball literally exploded off his foot".
As for the topic, I'll be interested to see exactly what does get published over the next few years.
It's also a good boogeyman story for the Cold War.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
he gonna hack all the internets at once
What do you care what happens to him? Why aren't you more interested in what the NSA is doing since that has a greater effect on your life?
Deaf Spacker
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How did he have access to all of these top secret files?
I think that the guy is a goddamn hero but I can't understand why someone at the NSA gave him such unrestricted access.
I think that the guy is a goddamn hero but I can't understand why someone at the NSA gave him such unrestricted access.
friskykillface
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Discredit him to whom?
ElectricBlue187
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The court of public opinion
Justagamer80
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Good. Time the public, courts, and Congress to remove some of the NSA's power and authority.
To people. Politics is a game of opinion. They want to make him look like a bad guy so that they get off scott free.
Who largely gives a verdict of "who gives a shit?".
ElectricBlue187
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Some people think he's a hero, others have said he should be hung from the neck until dead, and that's just in congress...
endresults
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I think Jamie Redknapp got the last laugh. IIRC some dictionary person added the definition of figuratively as the definition to literally, so now it's apparently OK now. Someone even flashed the definition at me back on the first page like it's going to change my mind. Literally should literally mean just literally.
It's interesting to think about what they would do to this guy if they got a hold of him. No way we would kill him unless he went full nuke mode and Twittered the passwords along with the torrent link, would they? It's definitely a death penalty charge they're throwing at him and it would probably deter future traitors/heroes, but I don't think it would go that far.
Gee I dunno, the people in this very thread who are buying the obvious smears hook, line, and sinker.
And I love the "it was legal line" given that well, it probably wasn't according to at least one federal judge. We'll see what happens on appeals.
The people who don't give a shit don't vote in elections. So your point is kind of null.
I was thinking more along the lines of spiteful.
Then why we still got people like Ted Cruz?
Blood Diamonds
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Man, imagine if something like that really did get leaked. How would people react? What would happen?
Fuck, do it Snow.
to who? Certainly not to the American people, and to the rest of the world, for exposing what these governments are doing. Dude is a hero.
You know exactly why, people cared enough to elect him. They were swayed by propaganda, just like what this Snowden smear campaign is.
criesofthepast
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That they think directly effects them.
They kept everything on an unencrypted text document.
My (cynical, admittedly) guess is that they'll decide it was legal on the grounds of national security or they throw it out through lack of standing (as happened with ACLU v. NSA).
NullPointer
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If you've got nothing to hide then there's no reason to worry.
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