IceDoesntHelp
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Bloodbourne is the most overrated game of the year.
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So, did Bloodborne really not win anything at Gaming Awards 2015 ?
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Crossing Eden
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The hyped up challenge dungeons being incredibly tedious, repetitive and grindy definitely would be a valid reason not to give BB GOTY. All the resources devoted to them could've been dedicated to the base game, especially since Miyazaki had very little to do with them iirc. The best thing to come out was the PvP dungeon.
base game is still like 50 hrs on first play-through. I don't get how people think that is not enough content.
Wasn't there a W3 side quest thread recently that was just W3 fans shitting on Bioware and Bethesda? These kind of attitudes exist everywhere.
W3 ruined narratives in other games, Bloodborne ruined combat in wrpgs, MGSV ruined tps controls etc..
Well those people are dumb lol... I fought with one that was like I DID CHALICE DUNGEONS ALL AT LEVEL 30 you suck and I'm like ok..? Rare individual, didn't encounter another one like him, and the git gud comment is suppose to be a joke. I think some peopel are now taking it too seriously and using it seriously...
Yeah I get we have some bad eggs, but every other community aren't saints cept for ToonTown.
Crossing Eden
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Yea, it's quite a long game. Took me 90 hours. Mainly due to how many people I absolutely destroyed in Nightmare Frontier.
Prefer to just ignore them. Choose your conversations carefully, as it's not like a lot of people on the internet want to have one. My personal feeling is that they're both good games but neither of them was my Game of the Year.
I agree with you that they are very different games though and it's difficult to compare them on anything more than a superficial level. The base of each of the games is a pretty wide rift apart. Witcher 3 is far closer/comparable to Fallout 4 as a game than it is to Bloodborne as a game. Not a judgment of quality, just similarity.
There are other reasons to play games beyond the combat. If everyone appreciated combat as much as they're talking about, Transformers: Devastation would have won all of the GOTY awards and Bloodborne would be laughed out of the room. So trying to distill these two games down to two categories such as story and combat is reductive to the point of missing the bigger picture of why anyone plays a game.
OrbitalBeard
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Took me 50 hours to beat the first time through, not counting any chalice dungeons. The DLC only added around 10 hours. It's a very lengthy game on its own.
There is a minor difference. Looking at the quality of the narrative, doesn't prescribe that other games follow the exact same style, format etc.
Typically what you see a lot is people wanting to plug souls combat into any and everything. It bring me to mind that famous Henry Ford quote.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Considering that it won absolutely nothing on the show, I would say it's the most underrated.
No one has wanted that. Not seeing the difference.
plasmawave
Banned
No one has said that.
texhnolyze
Banned
Fair enough. I did saw similar comments about Witcher 3 as well, but I kinda missed those MGSV ones. They're mainly more.. mature, I guess. They don't bitch about how MGSV didn't win goty as well, even though the gameplay is top notch (I played it). I highly respect them and the series.
Given that is all they talk about, then it is clear they want the same systemic depth and combat encounters found in Souls games. This kind of thing was never going to be possible in a game of the scope of the witcher 3. There are certainly things that could make W3 more palatable, but I never hear what people want within the constraints of the W3's design.
plasmawave
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Well you do fight a lot in the game so the criticism for the combat is unavoidable.
And this is a pretty common complaint of the game too. It's not like BB/Souls fans are making it up or something.
they don't btch about MGSV because it won an award and cause konami is evil, kojima wouldn't have even been able to accept it which is beeeesss af.
What do you want the combat to be like then? Beyond make it good.
Better horse riding mechanics for starters. Seriously in 2015 it is disappointing to have it control and react the way it does. Second is movement. Why does it feel like I am going through molasses. I dont know if this is not an issue in the PC version but in PS4 even with the alternative control option it controls poorly. It is so jarring after playing games like MGSV. It does not feel good to control the character at all. There are so many things around combat too but I think some improvements to at least the basic things like character movement would be a start.
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texhnolyze
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Nah, it's more about Bloodborne not winning the goty, not about it's not winning any award. Just look at Witcher 3 GOTY thread, I believe you've been there as well. It's all about Bloodborne vs Witcher 3.
plasmawave
Banned
Making it good is exactly what they should do.
Make the control more responsive and snappy. Fix the lock on system.
Stop with the random spinning and jumping animations. If you want a Batman combat then go full way, don't half ass it.
Also they might have fixed this with the new patch, but let players use every consumable items mid combat. I don't care if it breaks the lore or that kinda shit. That ship has sailed long time ago.
They are two completely different games being argued, and both vocal sides sound ridiculous tbh.
Yeah controls could be snappier, but the spinning and dodging animations are fine as is.
I have had exactly 0 issues with the lock system.
For the underlined, eff that. I want them to go back to W1 or even 2 style for consumables. Make item effects last longer, but require preparation for encounters. It fits perfectly within the witcher contracts.
You have failed to identify possibly the lowest hanging fruit, which is to fix the hitboxes, which would remedy a lot of perceived issues.
I have no real problems with character movement otherwise. I had no real problems with the old movement system RIP character inertia.
orthodoxy1095
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Nah, that's MGSV
Ew gross, no. In fact they got too lenient in this regard in 3 versus 1/2.
Bloodborne is my GOTY, but I can completely see why The Witcher 3 is others, I'm just glad MGS5 or Fallout 4 didn't win.
There's more to Bloodborne than just the excellent combat, it's level design is just some of the best you'll find anywhere, it can also have a few interesting stories, if you're willing to find them, but the game will never force you to.
People still do this? People liking something more than you isn't a criticism.
There's more to Bloodborne than just the excellent combat, it's level design is just some of the best you'll find anywhere, it can also have a few interesting stories, if you're willing to find them, but the game will never force you to.
People still do this? People liking something more than you isn't a criticism.
johnnydrama
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I went away for a few hours and this thread turned from bad to utterly embarrassing. Keep fighting the good fight, everyone.
Nah, that's MGSV
Ew gross, no. In fact they got too lenient in this regard in 3 versus 1/2.
Yeah. So many people completely didn't understand the requirements for preparation in W2. Noted, that the game didn't really stress this point, but if you got it then you were set.
I actually think at least on this page people have been arguing constructively.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Pirouettes are part of the witcher fighting style.
And none of them have any notable animation priority and most of them are the exact same length/based on distance. There are also no jumping animations during combat. Especially in comparison to Witcher 2 which had a much worse issue with animation priority. It's also not trying to emulate batman combat at all. That's shadow of mordor. You're basically asking them to stop making it feel like you're playing as a witcher.
orthodoxy1095
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Thematically, it's so much more fitting to do the preparation. It's also way more satisfying and challenging than being able to glug down some milk or swallow down some chicken wings to heal in mid-battle.
johnnydrama
Banned
I particularly enjoy that guy who has been trying so hard to argue that The Witcher 3 only has good writing.
tearsintherain
Member
I hope the award show moves to more a peoples choice type of online voting for awards, rather then letting a small jury pool decide. The problem always with small judge panels is that you end up splitting votes, leading to the same games dominating too many categories.
Yeah you could have vote brigading from reddit/gaf/4chan/etc but there's gotta be pretty decent anti-bot and vote-rigging mechanisms in place by now.
Yeah you could have vote brigading from reddit/gaf/4chan/etc but there's gotta be pretty decent anti-bot and vote-rigging mechanisms in place by now.
This bothers me way more than it not winning GOTY, G
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Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
The largest streaming website owned by google doesn't even have good anti 4chan and reddit protection, an independent awards show most certainly won't.
lol oh yeah...
plasmawave
Banned
Pirouettes are part of the witcher fighting style.
And none of them have any notable animation priority and most of them are the exact same length/based on distance. There are also no jumping animations during combat. Especially in comparison to Witcher 2 which had a much worse issue with animation priority. It's also not trying to emulate batman combat at all. That's shadow of mordor.
No, it's not. In this video you can see Geralt spinning randomly regardless of distance.
https://youtu.be/GsXmpHgGdiM?t=147
Also, I already said I don't care about the lore. This is the case where the lore is actually hurting the game design.
If they must have them then dedicate a button or a command for it so player can choose to do those moves at their will.
The problem with this statement is that you really don't know what the vote tallies were. For all the argument had on here, the final choice may have been close in many categories.
They do. It is a skill which you equip or unequip. The basic moveset is just a fast swing and a strong swing. Once. No piruette.
There is a larger swing in your video only happens if you're out of reach, but if you're within dodging distance then there is none of that.
I mean, I disagree totally on the level design. And I think Bloodborne's story is very good, and it's hidden beneath actual detective work (no Batman vision to help you out there, Witcher fans). But good news: you're not the kind of person that's harping on constantly about the combat, which is a somewhat hypocritical thing to do considering the obvious imperfections of Bloodborne's combat. I mean, why stop at Bloodborne anyway? Why so content on Bloodborne? Surely if you can see the merit in uncovering the Lovecraftian fanfiction and level design of Bloodborne (slightly reductive, but not a complaint at all), you can see the merit in an open world and a different kind of story, deliberately directed yet reactive to your personal choices. I'm not saying anyone is wrong for disliking Witcher 3 because of its combat (or story (or open world)), but it's not combat and combat alone that makes or breaks a game; the wholesale avocation of Bloodborne proves that, and we'd have very few RPGs worth playing if combat were so wholly important anyway.
Mr. Crow
Member
That theme was amazing! It had great soundtracks like Cleric Beast (my favorite), The Hunter (Father G) and main theme, but not even nominated...
Crimsonclaw111
Member
I guess we can't have a GOTY edition now, sorry folks. Calling Shu right now.
Took me 20 hours first time, only missed out on 2 optional bosses.
Compared to previous Souls games - BB is short. It's still my personal GOTY (almost tied with The Witcher) but the '50 hours' statement is super off base. I'm not even that good at BB and did my best to explore every area.
I have 80 hours, but that's with chalice dungeons and some PVPing and exploring.
plasmawave
Banned
I'm talking about the basic move set.
They're trying to do the contextual animation thingy like Batman or even AC but not quite.
Read the second line.
Lol wat. The base game is like 50 hours long, and there's NG+ who knows how many times. The Chalice dungeons are a completely optional bonus side thing, and even then they're fun just because of the challenge and reward.
It's like saying an incredible single player game doesn't deserve GOTY because it decided to offer an additional and completely optional Horde mode.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
His acrobatic style is literally from the books. Asking to take that out is actually one of the weirder criticisms I've heard of the combat systems. Yes, let's completely ignore the lore of the source material and the reason he fights the way he does.Pirouettes are part of the witcher fighting style.
And none of them have any notable animation priority and most of them are the exact same length/based on distance. There are also no jumping animations during combat. Especially in comparison to Witcher 2 which had a much worse issue with animation priority. It's also not trying to emulate batman combat at all. That's shadow of mordor. You're basically asking them to stop making it feel like you're playing as a witcher.
Dear God, then you maybe shouldn't be playing games like The Witcher.
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