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So GAF..I think I'm turning Agnostic

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Logically speaking deism is probably the least logical. If you have an all-powerful God existing and who created us (in some fashion) for there to be no point to our existence is nonsensical.

So you're really taking a cop out. The only real logical choice for you is Islam or Atheism.

Maybe this faux-agnosticism is a temporary stop-gap to atheism. Though I imagine your inability to give up entirely on a concept of God betrays your core feeling that something exists. At which point your real problem is with certain practises and interpretations of Islam and your inability to sacrifice you're own desires for the Will of God.

Instead of recognizin your own faults you're saying that YOU are 100% ok and it's the religions problem. Obviously this has the benefit of liberating you of guilt, because hey you're fine and not doing anything wrong it's just the stupid religion right?

You might think that you're logical and know what youre talking about, but logically the conclusion in a belief of God ends up in Islam.
 
Not eating pork is the only thing I'll keep from my muslim teachings. It's healthier that way anyway. I rarely drink alcohol. See my anti-alcohol thread lol.

My parents never were extremists anyway. But I'm sure they'd be disappointed if I'd told them I am an agnostic. So I'm staying in the closet for now. Maybe forever.
 
Zapages said:
There is scientific evidence in Islam... You just have to look for it. Jeez.

Jibril did you read my post? Think it over?

Also remember what about apostates in other religion. Its just not in Islam. Think about globally.

Most of your reasons are because of your lack of faith in humanity and the world around us.

Jibril, if the mafia case mentality was there in Islam... Then try to educate people we are the future of Islam. If we can educate the Muslim youth in the right direction then the future could be better for the muslims around the world! Just think about it man.

I'm definitely not tired of Islam itself. It's surrounded by too much ignorance. So much so in fact, that what is correct and what is incorrect, what is truth and what is false is impossible to discern.
If I can't have the original Islam, and evaluate that, and judge that on its own merits. Then I'm afraid no Islam, especially the current one, can do for me.

Agree to disagree i guess, I think you're cool though. And I'll defend Islam against bigots much as I always did.
 
Second said:
That was a great read, thanks.

I'm never going to force down a religion to my kids. No religion talk until they're old enough to decide for themselves.
There are so many religious people because parents teach the kids to believe. And kids will grow up with it, and will fear to not beleive, otherwise they'll go to hell.
Good thing not everyone is following this pattern because hell doesn't exist.
You're welcome, was a bit of a bitch to find without the Gaf search :p
 
Zapages said:
There is scientific evidence in Islam... You just have to look for it. Jeez.

Jibril did you read my post? Think it over?

Also remember what about apostates in other religion. Its just not in Islam. Think about globally.

Most of your reasons are because of your lack of faith in humanity and the world around us.

1. There is science in a lot of books, doesn't mean it is evidence for their authenticity.

2. Almost all the Scientific revelations in the Qu'ran that people say would be impossible for people of that period, were entirely possible and many were proposed before the Quran was written.

3. There are many incorrect Scientific statements that cannot be defended away (Sperm is made somewhere in the gut - a theory brought up by a Greek a few hundred years before Islam, and one that was so very wrong - bones forming first before muscle in fetal development, it's obvious to see why someone would think that would be the case, but it's not) - you'd think an all knowing God wouldn't have any mistakes/contradictions in his special book.

4. Many of these Scientific revelations are so vague, they could be applied to anything - when people say that you have to 'look' for them, they mean you need to find a vague phrase that you can make seem like Science example:

"Do they not see how We come to the land eroding it at its extremities?…" (Qur'an, 13:41)
This is then turned into
"Oh wow! This is knowledge of tectonic plates! Science in the Quran! Woo!"

5. There is a lot of Science that many people who read the Quran choose to ignore, Evolution for example - for no reason other than they don't like it. It's silly to trump Science in your book as some sort of miracle, when you have no respect for it.
 
Second said:
Not eating pork is the only thing I'll keep from my muslim teachings. It's healthier that way anyway. I rarely drink alcohol. See my anti-alcohol thread lol.

My parents never were extremists anyway. But I'm sure they'd be disappointed if I'd told them I am an agnostic. So I'm staying in the closet for now. Maybe forever.

I doubt they'll stop loving you if you tell them you're no longer part of their faith. Unless their terrible parents.
 
Alucrid said:
I doubt they'll stop loving you if you tell them you're no longer part of their faith. Unless their terrible parents.
But because they love you every single interaction will become about bringing you back and saving you from hell and it'll ruin the relationship. Trust me, it's better to just let the religious believe whatever they want to believe.
 
Alucrid said:
I doubt they'll stop loving you if you tell them you're no longer part of their faith. Unless their terrible parents.
In Islam, parents take pride in knowing their children are devout or in a way always in touch with their Muslim faith, especially when customs and traditions come in to play. In certain parts of the world, you can fuck someone up but you can't fuck with where they came from. It's an extremely biased and somewhat prejudiced viewpoint but that's how life works in most Islamic countries. I know if I told my parents they would flip.
 
Veidt said:
I'm definitely not tired of Islam itself. It's surrounded by too much ignorance. So much so in fact, that what is correct and what is incorrect, what is truth and what is false is impossible to discern.
If I can't have the original Islam, and evaluate that, and judge that on its own merits. Then I'm afraid no Islam, especially the current one, can't do for me.

Agree to disagree i guess, I think you're cool though. And I'll defend Islam against bigots much as I always did.

Here's my take about things, I can get into a discussion about Islam with my parents or friends. We might not agree x, y or z type of punishment is correct or the role of women or etc... All those are extras things that don't really affect Islam in terms of the religion part ie. praying and how you live your life, especially in the US/UK/West/etc.

But in the end of the day, what makes a Person a Muslim compared to agnostic.

A Muslim believes in:
1) There is only one God (not exclusive to Islam) and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as the last messenger of God (exclusive to Islam)
2) Fasting - (Christians have this as well)
3) Hajj - Pilgrimage to Mecca (exclusive to Islam)
4) Zakat - Charity (For betterment of society)
5) Pray 5 times a day (Jews, Christians have to pray as well) - you are praying for yourself not for God... That's the reason why you pray.

Agnostic person believes:
1) There is a God or spiritual being up there
2) Charity if you are good person
3) No need to pray

What Islam has other things that makes you feel whole. Maybe try to get away from the Islamic culture that is surrounding you, but keep your Islam with you...

@Kin: The Holy Quran gives you hints and that's why they are so vague... Its up to the person to interrupt them as the Holy Quran is for all times...
 
AgentWhiskersX said:
Welp, count me in as another Saudi Muslim who's gotten fed up with the way people confuse religion with their selfish, asinine traditions. I've been having doubts about religion for at least 4 years now and over the years I couldn't help but ask myself the same question any individual should ask themselves like "why should i be punished for believing what I believe?" I've also grown to be annoyed by people who are so full of themselves they actually tell you to believe in god because you'd be on the winning team. I also received a hopelessly stupid message from a close friend celebrating a rumor that that evil cartoonist was burned to a crisp. What the FUCK? Why would you celebrate anyone's death? in Islam no less. Things have changed for the worst and I don't ever see myself going back. The ignorance around these parts is overwhelming, I'm sure my buddy wrath would agree. Welcome aboard, Veidt. *agnostic belly tickle*
Let us celebrate with devil music!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fWw3El7VHc
 
AgentWhiskersX said:
In Islam, parents take pride in knowing their children are devout or in a way always in touch with their Muslim faith, especially when customs and traditions come in to play. In certain parts of the world, you can fuck someone up but you can't fuck with where they came from. It's an extremely biased and somewhat prejudiced viewpoint but that's how life works in most Islamic countries. I know if I told my parents they would flip.

aswedc said:
But because they love you every single interaction will become about bringing you back and saving you from hell and it'll ruin the relationship. Trust me, it's better to just let the religious believe whatever they want to believe.

Oh...*themoreyouknow.img*
 
Omar Ismail said:
You might think that you're logical and know what youre talking about, but logically the conclusion in a belief of God ends up in Islam.

Or Christianity, or Judaïsm etc etc

The problem is that I personally believe in a deity, but not the god that's being described in the books.

The god in the holy books will judge us after we die. I don't believe in such a thing. The whole judgement part is made up so people get scared and try to behave right.
Heaven and hell are made up by men. Hell is just as real as Tartarus to me. Meaning: not so real.
And you know what? People even believed in Tartarus. But now it's just a myth.
 
GhaleonQ said:
*is Christian*

So, you're not Muslim anymore because the world makes you sad and you aren't sure if the Quran is God's word? Don't those strike you as 1. non-intellectual and 2. lame reasons?
Don't you think it's kind of non-intellectual and lame to consider people who thought "painting goat's blood over my door will keep the angels from killing my babies" were infallible beacons of truth and reason in any other beliefs they propagated?
 
Zapages said:
Agnostic person believes:
1) There is a God or spiritual being up there

And wrong on the first one. Agnostics believe that any claim about a deity (its existence or otherwise) is unknowable
 
Zapages said:
Agnostic person believes:
1) There is a God or spiritual being up there
2) Charity if you are good person
3) No need to pray


You're confusing Agnosticism with Deism. Simply put, Agnosticism is not placing bets on whether there's a god or not and just enjoying life.
 
Zapages said:
Here's my take about things, I can get into a discussion about Islam with my parents or friends. We might not agree x, y or z type of punishment is correct or the role of women or etc... All those are extras things that don't really affect Islam in terms of the religion part ie. praying and how you live your life, especially in the US/UK/West/etc.

But in the end of the day, what makes a Person a Muslim compared to agnostic.

A Muslim believes in:
1) There is only one God (not exclusive to Islam) and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as the last messenger of God (exclusive to Islam)
2) Fasting - (Christians have this as well)
3) Hajj - Pilgrimage to Mecca (exclusive to Islam)
4) Zakat - Charity (For betterment of society)
5) Pray 5 times a day (Jews, Christians have to pray as well) - you are praying for yourself not for God... That's the reason why you pray.

Agnostic person believes:
1) There is a God or spiritual being up there
2) Charity if you are good person
3) No need to pray

What Islam has other things that makes you feel whole. Maybe try to get away from the Islamic culture that is surrounding you, but keep your Islam with you...

@Kin: The Holy Quran gives you hints and that's why they are so vague... Its up to the person to interrupt them as the Holy Quran is for all times...

I don't see how you can label what an 'Agnostic' person believes. It's not let there's a set source or written material out there, nor is there only one type of Agnosticism out there either.
 
AgentWhiskersX said:
In Islam, parents take pride in knowing their children are devout or in a way always in touch with their Muslim faith, especially when customs and traditions come in to play. In certain parts of the world, you can fuck someone up but you can't fuck with where they came from. It's an extremely biased and somewhat prejudiced viewpoint but that's how life works in most Islamic countries. I know if I told my parents they would flip.
Yeah are you kidding me!? I'm taking this shit to my grave!
 
wRATH2x said:
I'm still kind of a muslim, but I realized that none of these sects or people are really portraying real Islam. Hell real Islam hasn't been here for centuries, so why should I do the worship when most of it was altered and changed and isn't what it truly was?

I've decided that there is a god, but no religion really is what he gave us. And he might not even care enough about us to give us religion, what with the universe and all.

Belief is a relationship between a person and God. It's a personal one. You shouldn't get caught up in sects and religious hierarchy anyway. Just worship God as an individual.

You can still practice Islam (prayer, fasting, etc.) without belonging to a sect.
 
womfalcs3 said:
Belief is a relationship between a person and God. It's a personal one. You shouldn't get caught up in sects and religious hierarchy anyway. Just worship God as an individual.

You can still practice Islam (prayer, fasting, etc.) without belonging to a sect.

So freaking true!!! That's what I am been trying to tell Jibril... Please listen to this. :)
 
It's been a while since I've heard someone make a well-argumented statement like this and I applaud you for that. I hope you'll find your life more enjoyable and make the best of it.
 
Alucrid said:
I doubt they'll stop loving you if you tell them you're no longer part of their faith. Unless their terrible parents.

They wouldn't stop loving me of course. But it wouldn't help my cause. I'm sure they would try to bring me out of the "dark side". And that would only cause for some major conflicts.
 
womfalcs3 said:
Belief is a relationship between a person and God. It's a personal one. You shouldn't get caught up in sects and religious hierarchy anyway. Just worship God as an individual.

You can still practice Islam (prayer, fasting, etc.) without belonging to a sect.
Yeah I answered that before, I don't care for religion anymore. So I wouldn't be interested in anything religious.

Will that change in the future? Who knows. My dad used to be an atheist, so if I find myself more religious in my 50's then I'll go with that. But now I couldn't give less of a shit.
 
wRATH2x said:
Yeah I answered that before, I don't care for religion anymore. So I wouldn't be interested in anything religious.

Will that change in the future? Who knows. My dad used to be an atheist, so if I find myself more religious in my 50's then I'll go with that. But now I couldn't give less of a shit.

As my grandfather says: "Everyone is not really religious when they are young as they have no fear, but everyone becomes religious when they come close to their death.

The true test is that when you are religious/pious when you are young."
 
Veidt, I don't know if you're still reading this far into this thread, but if you are, your story is very similar to mine. My transition was from Judaism to Atheism, but we both had very similar questions and reasons for changing.

I despise the term Atheism, as for me, it brings up images of scruffy unshaved art students who would criticize and attack believers; look down on them. I think debates regarding religion are perhaps the largest waste of time in the history of humanity... They make Atheists look like egocentric idiots.

With all that said, my (hypocritical) question to you is this: Why do you consider yourself Agnostic and not Atheist?

The reason for my question is because during my own transition from believing to non-believing, I was able to exit religion by basically disproving to myself everything I've been taught before hand. It went from being truth to being.... Nothing. Therefore, the idea of a higher power went from truth to, well, nothing. For that reason, I now classify myself as Atheist.

So, when I hear your story that is so similar to mine, it seems like everything would point to Atheism. But, you identify with Agnosticism. I don't think you're wrong by doing so, I'm just curious as to why you haven't made the 'complete' 180 as I did. What's preventing you from 100% rejecting the idea of a higher power?
 
religious people be dissapointing me with intolerance for other religions... fuckin idiots

and the missinformed religious people make these feelings for me even stronger

when i think about how long ago these things happened, then add things like peoples agendas, cultural traditions, mistranslations... i kind of think something more agnostic is not a bad way to go

i guess going over all the religious texts you can and take with you what you think is gods message without adopting historic and cultural points of view at the same time might be a course of action... and thats if you take the authors version to be that of prophet/saviour/king etc.

not everyone goes religious when they get old, my grandad has gone atheiest in his 80's... hes been through so much i don't think death scares him
 
ChefRamsay said:
Veidt, I don't know if you're still reading this far into this thread, but if you are, your story is very similar to mine. My transition was from Judaism to Atheism, but we both had very similar questions and reasons for changing.

I despise the term Atheism, as for me, it brings up images of scruffy unshaved art students who would criticize and attack believers; look down on them. I think debates regarding religion are perhaps the largest waste of time in the history of humanity... They make Atheists look like egocentric idiots.

With all that said, my (hypocritical) question to you is this: Why do you consider yourself Agnostic and not Atheist?

The reason for my question is because during my own transition from believing to non-believing, I was able to exit religion by basically disproving to myself everything I've been taught before hand. It went from being truth to being.... Nothing. Therefore, the idea of a higher power went from truth to, well, nothing. For that reason, I now classify myself as Atheist.

So, when I hear your story that is so similar to mine, it seems like everything would point to Atheism. But, you identify with Agnosticism. I don't think you're wrong by doing so, I'm just curious as to why you haven't made the 'complete' 180 as I did. What's preventing you from 100% rejecting the idea of a higher power?

Simple answer. Because I'm not sure. I think I've mentioned it before, but I do believe in a god or a higher power ( as possible, but can't argue for the notion). I do not rule it out. When I was a practicing Muslim, I would have my own version of what god was, and project it into my Islamic practices and thought. Over time, the two plates of , Islam and my own view of what a god should be. Started to drift away from each other. And with that came me realizing that what I see as god, is perhaps even bigger than Islam, a religion that I had previously thought was quite hand in hand with my view of a deity or higher power. It's the practices that steered me away from Islam, it's the surrounding hear-say, the traditions. Not necessarily that the concept of god itself was so different, that I had to stop believing.I do believe there is the high possibility of a higher power, but it probably doesn't care what minor things I do, or whether I glorify or blaspheme.

So in short, I am not sure. But my inclination tells me that there might be something out there. But nothing us humans have knowledge of.
And I think it's totally cool and ex-Jew and an ex-Muslim have so much in common!
 
AgentWhiskersX said:
Welp, count me in as another Saudi Muslim who's gotten fed up with the way people confuse religion with their selfish, asinine traditions. ... The ignorance around these parts is overwhelming, I'm sure my buddy wrath would agree. Welcome aboard, Veidt. *agnostic belly tickle*

Ha, growing up and living in the American South, I can sympathize. (I deconverted from Christianity in college.)

Veidt said:
I'll live the same,be the same person I always was.. but with less regulation and following traditions, and more thought and self comprehension. I honestly see this as a step up in understanding myself, and the world according to my own thought.

That's exactly what it is, regardless of where it leads. Not many people reach a place of truly being able to think freely from themselves, unshackled from the chains of their culturally imposed conditioning during childhood and adolescence. Congrats.
 
empty vessel said:
That's exactly what it is, regardless of where it leads. Not many people reach a place of truly being able to think freely from themselves, unshackled from the chains of their culturally imposed conditioning during childhood and adolescence. Congrats.

You can live like that with religion...
 
wRATH2x said:
Yeah fuck that shit.
I second this motion.

My favorite fanaticals are the ones who understand where you're coming from but don't share the same viewpoint. I've yet to meet one in person.
 
Congratulations and good luck to you. Agnosticism is an unnecessary pit stop on the way to atheism, though. It's best to leave all superstitious baggage behind. You'll find that the moral compass religion falsely claims to own is still available any time you need it.

Life is wonderful. Try to live without illusions.
 
Veidt said:
you find out the men you do research into, the men responsible for these rules, were at times morally corrupt. And it breaks your heart. Everything you believed in, just collapses.
Veidt said:
Not seeing the man who founded Islam. How can I make judgment into what kind of character he actually was? What is myth and what is fact?

This is like a little window into the way you think and make decisions. It's scary.
 
Jibril/Veidt, people like you make me feel better about the world. It can be difficult to run against strong family and cultural tradition, but I'm glad you did in this case.

Anyways, I was wondering...how much of an impact did discussions/research on the Internet have on you? I used to be dismissive about the prospects that arguing on the Internet would change anyone's mind, but I've started thinking that over a long period of time it can. I'd be happy to hear from Himuro, Masenkame, or any other ex-Muslims about this, too.
 
I'm gonna say my deconversion story now, whoopie:
*Catholic growing up*

So, as a youngin(about 12-15), I always wondered why my prayers weren't answered. For those years I'd ask for one thing over and over and over again just to see if it would be answered, but it never came. Now, as a youngin, I took this as the old "God works in mysterious ways" and "you either get a yes, no, maybe type situation."

During my confirmation, I was really big into my religion, I'd go to all the retreats, always go to sunday school at night(we had a sweet sunday school teacher though and a ton of MILFs that helped out, so I put it more on that anyway), and was just generally interested in this "god" idea. But, the funny part is, that becoming more and more interested int he religion is what eventually led me away from it. I ended up going to a retreat, a big one that had almost every catholic teen from alabama come to participate. I had a lot of fun, but something one of the speakers said really got onto me. He had talked about whether to adopt a child or not because his wife couldn't have kids and he asked god for a sign, prayed for a miracle basically, and for him, it actually happened.

Now, that has a happy ending, and while my prayer may not have been as warm as his, it still wasn't egotistical and would've provided me with enough proof that he was real if it had been answered (I'm really glad it wasn't now, btw). So, after hearing the mircale come true, I became fed up with how this person, who had asked for something, got it, while me, a very devout, good catholic boy got nothing he asked for, even the shit that wasn't self serving didn't get addressed, so I gave god an ultimatum, I was tired of playing around, why was I not as worthy as this man? Was I nothing to the almighty I had put all my being into? Did he just not give a shit?

So, every night for a year, I prayed for one, easily obtainable thing, but I never got it. I gave him a year, and each day I prayed, saying that at such and such day, I would forever stop being a worshiper and all you have to do to keep as a part of your flock is to give me this one tiny sign. Well, the year passed, and I stopped believing around 15 or 16. Can't remember the actual age at this time.

I figured, he either doesn't think I'm worthy, or he doesn't give a shit about me enough to give me one simple sign, something that lets me know he is there and I will give my 100% attention to him for the rest of my life. So, I think my deconversion story is a little different than most, I never went through the agnosticism phase on my way to atheism, I skipped right over it. From believer to nonbeliever in a year, and all god had to do was give me my sign, just as he had given it to the adopting father. But, it wasn't meant to be and to further add fuel, that part where he knows all really stuck to the back of my mind. He knew he wasn't going to give me the sign if he was there, so my atheism was his grand scheme in the first place if he actually exists, so I see no harm in not giving a shit about the creator that wanted me to not give a shit.

As the years went on, though, I started doing more research, reading more books, etc. And I find that logically, this is the right decision, and nothing will change that for me. He isn't there, and if he is, he doesn't give a shit about me, so I owe him nothing.


It's really funny, though, that after this whole ordeal, the thing I had asked for came after I had given him the full year. It came as an atheist, while I was working for it, not while I was praying for it. I've kept it a secret from my parents, but I have a brother that is an atheist(and she knows), so I may tell them one day, but I don't want to have to deal with my mother's overbearingness when it comes to this type of thing.

When I came to China she said, "Don't let them talk you out of your faith, I don't want to have to worry about your eternal soul." It's alright mom, I talked myself out of it a long time ago.
 
Veidt said:
And believe me, I've thought long and hard about this moment.

Could you flesh out your thoughts more on that matter, then, because I don't think that's reflected in what you posted. That's fine, of couse, but, again, this is the alignment of your soul/self. I think my characterization matched your posted reasoning.

Veidt said:
I'm definitely not tired of Islam itself. It's surrounded by too much ignorance. So much so in fact, that what is correct and what is incorrect, what is truth and what is false is impossible to discern.
If I can't have the original Islam, and evaluate that, and judge that on its own merits. Then I'm afraid no Islam, especially the current one, can do for me.

See? I don't know much about you, so what were you? What are your thoughts on Sufism? How theologically liberal or conservative were you before your conversion?

Second said:
You know what's non-intellectual? Letting a book lead your life.

That's genuinely nonsensical. TO HELL WITH BOOKS, YEAH!

Shig said:
Don't you think it's kind of non-intellectual and lame to consider people who thought "painting goat's blood over my door will keep the angels from killing my babies" were infallible beacons of truth and reason in any other beliefs they propagated?

This is in the tone of someone who thinks he's clever, but with the content of someone who doesn't understand basic Christian theology. This is a pretty common type of person.
 
AgentWhiskersX said:
I second this motion.

My favorite fanaticals are the ones who understand where you're coming from but don't share the same viewpoint. I've yet to meet one in person.
I know people who act like it and then ambush you with others trying to humiliate you, that happened to my friend once and it was nice to have a legitimate reason to fuck up some muttawa's!

Chairman Yang said:
Anyways, I was wondering...how much of an impact did discussions/research on the Internet have on you? I used to be dismissive about the prospects that arguing on the Internet would change anyone's mind, but I've started thinking that over a long period of time it can. I'd be happy to hear from Himuro, Masenkame, or any other ex-Muslims about this, too.
wRATH2x said:
I'm still kind of a muslim, but I realized that none of these sects or people are really portraying real Islam. Hell real Islam hasn't been here for centuries, so why should I do the worship when most of it was altered and changed and isn't what it truly was?

I've decided that there is a god, but no religion really is what he gave us. And he might not even care enough about us to give us religion, what with the universe and all.
I also spent the better part of my teen years reading up on ever religion imaginable, and its when I realized Islam was changed and altered from what it was like other religions. So I tried being a muslim like the old actual muslims, then I realized that I really can't since thats lost in time.

Now I'm just trying to be the best and nicest person I can be.
 
AFreak said:
I've kept it a secret from my parents, but I have a brother that is an atheist(and she knows),
Wat!?

Anyway man I actually did do that, and for 6 years I didn't get what I want. So now I'm working hard for it.
 
GhaleonQ said:
That's genuinely nonsensical. TO HELL WITH BOOKS, YEAH!

What are you talking about? I love reading books.
I've read Bram Stokers Dracula, for instance. But I'm not going to fill my house with garlic to protect myself. Because I know Dracula doesn't exist.

You know that people actually believed that Dracula existed thanks to that book? Weren't those people pretty stupid to believe a book?
 
I'm not going to congratulate you, but I am happy if your choice has lead you to be more at peace with yourself and the world around you.

I sometimes envy people who believe in a higher power/hold spiritual beliefs. To have something so comforting to fall back on in a world that seems so disorienting/confusing must be... nice. Though I went to church/Sunday school up until my 13th birthday, I never felt the presence of God within me, so I don't know what it truly feels like.
 
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