WanderingWind
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So how are we feeling about ST: Into Darkness now? [Unmarked spoilers]
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And I love the opinions of the easily amused who are entertained by shiny colors and explosions.
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Haloid1177
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You just blew my mind holy shit.
Whining. You should look up the difference between that and rightly criticising a shithouse piece of media.
BrokenEchelon
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I still liked it as a roller coaster ride.
Terribly written movie but dumb fun if you turn off your brain. I enjoyed it for the action and space stuff alone. Didn't like that many of the characters were retreading old ground that the first movie already went through. Here's hoping the next Star Trek actually progresses them and they actually go out into space. And yes, the old Spock cameo was really dumb and felt so forced as if they were saying, "Look look, it's Spock, the real Spock remember him guys? Remember, see we have him in the movie! It's really cool!"
That's pretty much the '09 reboot and Into Darkness. Dumb fun action movies. That's not really what fans want out of Star Trek, though. There are plenty of other films and series catering to people who want that.
Part of it, yes.
If it makes you feel better, then sure, you did it right. Good job!
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Oh, quit whining.
Well, you're wrong. Prior to the release of the reboot I was really looking forward to see what they'd be doing with it, what new stories and races and things we'd see in a universe completely open to them to explore, without the shackles of the old series and all the contradictions throughout. What we got was... disappointing, and in the case of Into Darkness, needlessly retreading old ground and not doing it nearly as well.
I guess it's a shame because both films really have the talent to do much more. The cast and acting is fantastic, and Into Darkness starts off with that whole "losing the peace"/military-industrial complex side of things that if you left Khan out of it and just made Harrison Harrison it might have been able to say more in between the action. But then the last half of the movie nosedives in literal and figurative ways.
I didn't mind the fact that they wanted to use Khan, what annoyed me is that they rewrote Wrath of Khan. Why in the world would you want your Star Trek movie to be actively compared to the franchise's best film? This would be like Abrams completely ripping of Empire in Episode VII.
The original was kept pretty simple though and made sense. Into Darkness makes no sense at several points in the story.
PhineBuyM3
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Thanks a lot, I forgot about that horrible movie and would have loved for it to stay that way for the remainder of my natural life.
Hey, look at this guy!
Not according to posts like this:
As a fan of TNG and DS9 (and the older movies) I understand the complaints, but I still enjoy the new ST movies all the same.
NekoFever
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I came out of it disappointed and now that I've seen it a couple of times, I really dislike it. The first Abrams Trek struck a decent balance between accommodating old fans and attracting the blockbuster audience, and I liked it a lot.
Into Darkness, though, was painfully, painfully stupid. Which is something that Star Trek shouldn't be.
Most of my complaints have been addressed already, but the problems with it are illustrated by the Enterprise/Vengeance battle.
- They're fighting in warp, which is cool. So far so good.
- While on course for Earth, the Enterprise is knocked out of warp. No problem, though, because it emerges in the vicinity of Earth's moon. Even if they were only travelling at the speed of light, that means they were less than two seconds from Earth anyway. Either they were cutting it very close to drop out of warp or they weren't heading for Earth and ended up there by chance, which is a ridiculously large coincidence. The odds of a long-haul flight you're in falling out of the sky and landing on your house are good in comparison.
- Despite the planet being attacked and nearly destroyed by a mysterious, highly advanced ship that no one's seen before in the last movie, Earth's defences don't notice their fleet's flagship unexpectedly coming out of warp and taking a beating from a mysterious, highly advanced ship that no one's seen before right on their doorstep.
- The Enterprise is crippled and, within minutes, is caught in Earth's gravity well (eh?) and pulled into the atmosphere. Even if this were possible, the movie just established that this occurs from the vicinity of the moon, which is a distance that takes a week on a rocket, let alone a ship that's dead in space, and a distance that the movie implied a short while ago was sufficient to fly at warp.
I guess most of those complaints, coupled with beaming to Kronos, boil down to the writers having zero concept of distance. In a series where the whole point is that they have the technology to cover interstellar distances.
Terrible movie. It's like something written by a child playing with Star Trek toys.
Into Darkness, though, was painfully, painfully stupid. Which is something that Star Trek shouldn't be.
Most of my complaints have been addressed already, but the problems with it are illustrated by the Enterprise/Vengeance battle.
- They're fighting in warp, which is cool. So far so good.
- While on course for Earth, the Enterprise is knocked out of warp. No problem, though, because it emerges in the vicinity of Earth's moon. Even if they were only travelling at the speed of light, that means they were less than two seconds from Earth anyway. Either they were cutting it very close to drop out of warp or they weren't heading for Earth and ended up there by chance, which is a ridiculously large coincidence. The odds of a long-haul flight you're in falling out of the sky and landing on your house are good in comparison.
- Despite the planet being attacked and nearly destroyed by a mysterious, highly advanced ship that no one's seen before in the last movie, Earth's defences don't notice their fleet's flagship unexpectedly coming out of warp and taking a beating from a mysterious, highly advanced ship that no one's seen before right on their doorstep.
- The Enterprise is crippled and, within minutes, is caught in Earth's gravity well (eh?) and pulled into the atmosphere. Even if this were possible, the movie just established that this occurs from the vicinity of the moon, which is a distance that takes a week on a rocket, let alone a ship that's dead in space, and a distance that the movie implied a short while ago was sufficient to fly at warp.
I guess most of those complaints, coupled with beaming to Kronos, boil down to the writers having zero concept of distance. In a series where the whole point is that they have the technology to cover interstellar distances.
Terrible movie. It's like something written by a child playing with Star Trek toys.
Sir_Crocodile
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It's worse then insurrection and nemesis.
It is my new most hated trek film, and I never thought any trek film could ever outdo nemesis for that "honour". It's just a bland, boring action film which asks you to check in your intelligence before you start watching.
It's not star trek
It is my new most hated trek film, and I never thought any trek film could ever outdo nemesis for that "honour". It's just a bland, boring action film which asks you to check in your intelligence before you start watching.
It's not star trek
100%. I mostly enjoyed it in the cinema, but even first time through there were some massive eye-rollers.
But the second you engage your brain and start thinking about it, it's so damn ridiculous and sloppy. Action eye-candy first, cohesive story very very distant second.
Very good quote. I am stealing it
The Onion interviews Fast Five screenwriter.
http://www.theonion.com/video/today-now-interviews-the-5yearold-screenwriter-of,20188/
Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIY5b1JMvGs
Escape Goat
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ST 2009 and Into Darkness were Abrams Star Wars audition tapes.
NekoFever
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Haha, nice. Fast Five has the excuse of knowing it's flashy and stupid, though. I hate the "turn your brain off" defence, but that's a good example of a movie where it applies. Into Darkness was just written by morons.
Messypandas
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It was ok, but I didn't come out loving it. Theres an over-whelming about of negativity in it . Spock bitches about the prime directive, Pike bitches at Kirk, Scottie bitches about signatures, Uhura bitches at Spock about wanting to die, Kirk says he's not getting involved, then bitches anyway. JJ's idea of "drama" is having people argue during action scenes. 2009 Trek was about a crew young dumb and full of cum, this one felt like the Honeymoon was over and they were all irritable and grouchy.
The resurrection was pointless. If you want to kill a character, kill him. Don't waste an emotional death scene like that it makes it completely cheap. 7/10
The resurrection was pointless. If you want to kill a character, kill him. Don't waste an emotional death scene like that it makes it completely cheap. 7/10
I agree with this. Felt the whole thing was just a missed opportunity.
Pretty much sums it up for me.
Saw it once in theaters and never had even the slightest desire to see it again.
Lumpy Onion
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Seen it twice. A really fun movie. Enjoyable characters and great action. Kinda dumb if you think about it too much but whatever. 9/10
ThoseDeafMutes
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Actually ST09 didn't make much sense either unless you had read the comics or assume that Nero is literally insane. Because all we get from the movie is that Spock tried his hardest to help Nero, but didn't quite make it in time. Nero, having now got his hands on a time machine, decides that the correct course of action is not to warn his people about the future incident and save his home planet, but to destroy the federation.
Also, from a basic science perspective the backstory is nonsensical. A star going supernova would give you several years to prevent the destruction from taking place, since light travels at the speed of light. They probably should have given a minor explanation there to explain why the 2-5 years would be insuffiicent for Spock to deliver his magical solution, or explain why a supernova could "threaten the whole galaxy" or whatever other silliness he says in that film. This is a relatively minor quibble admittedly, but I'm nto asking for hard science exactly, it'd just be nice for the writers to acknowledge that they had done maybe a modicum of thinking about what they were putting down on the page.
Damn that whole knock out of warp, crash in to earth scene irritated me when I watched it, I don't see it brought up very often given the bigger problems with the movie. Thanks for making a great post about it.
I think they just don't have any idea what they are writing about when it comes to time and distance. The other post I quoted also shows their problems with time and distance.
Add in an utter disregard for how people actually behave and how institutions punish, and it is just a shit storm of mediocrity.
benjipwns
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Actually that was really more of a side effect to his actual plan which was to wait around for 25 years until Old Spock showed up so he could make him watch Vulcan die. Then it's kinda, might as well finish what you started.
Eric Bana was so wasted because he was good as Nero especially interacting with Pike. Should have just made it some kind of "we gotta stop him before he gives our era Romulans centuries worth of new tech and information" adventure. Making Nero more of a cunning long term strategist taking advantage of his time travel accident instead of a vengeful depresso who will kill billions because Spock tried to help but failed.
Same problem as Nemesis. The Federation is really nice, they would have tried to cure Shinzon (and help the Remans), and Picard didn't do anything to him personally. Why the grudge breh?
Delta Assault
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Because gots to rip off teh Wrath of Khan, yo.
I wasn't a huge fan of the new Star Trek to begin with, but I really didn't like this one. I tried to remain spoiler free and was, but when I heard the bad guy referred to as Khan, I knew pretty much the rest of the movie. And it followed it.
Wouldn't have mind Khan being re-introduced, but really wish they would have started with the way he was introduced in TOS as a part of a bigger story. Then after a couple more movies, you bring him back.
Wouldn't have mind Khan being re-introduced, but really wish they would have started with the way he was introduced in TOS as a part of a bigger story. Then after a couple more movies, you bring him back.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Let's not pretend that ST has always or even usually been consistent with its distance and scale though. My favorite is in Generations when the new Federation ship being launched picks up a distress call when it's flying in the inner solar system. They are the only ship in range to respond.
True enough, but at least that was just setting up the premise, not the resolution.
nothing wrong with being easily amused....life is lot simpler for those folks.
Delta Assault
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And I don't think anybody's holding up Generations as a paragon of Star Trek movies.
One of the worst of the series, in fact.
ClivePwned
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I've now watched it three times.
First time, I mostly liked it up until the fan service shit kicked in to high gear in the last 30 minutes. I thought BC would have been a great villain had he not supposed to have been Khan.
Second time, I didn't really think that much since I knew the last 30 minutes kinda ruined it.
Third time, I made peace with the problems and enjoy it as a movie with a few unncessary problems.
Now I just think they need to put some hair spray on Zachary Quinto since the way his hair bobs up and down when he runs annoys me.
Also, this movie has Alice Eve in it.
First time, I mostly liked it up until the fan service shit kicked in to high gear in the last 30 minutes. I thought BC would have been a great villain had he not supposed to have been Khan.
Second time, I didn't really think that much since I knew the last 30 minutes kinda ruined it.
Third time, I made peace with the problems and enjoy it as a movie with a few unncessary problems.
Now I just think they need to put some hair spray on Zachary Quinto since the way his hair bobs up and down when he runs annoys me.
Also, this movie has Alice Eve in it.
ThoseDeafMutes
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It's a pile of shit but that's unrelated to the bit I mentioned.
I don't think you'd have to dig very far to find bajillions of inconsistencies within Trek science, especially related to speed, scale and distance.
GentlemanCrow
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I liked the first one and was looking forward to the sequel. Unfortunately all I got from the sequel was a slightly flabbier retread of the first films themes without any growth in character or widening of scope of the universe.
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