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One thing I really really liked about the movie was a lack of a narrator. Unlike the way Moore skews facts with terrible hammy narration, the movie stands purely on its visuals and testimonials from those involved. The documentary speaks for itself, and that says a lot about the directors' ability to find compelling footage to make into a movie.

Scary as hell, I agree.
 
thetrin said:
One thing I really really liked about the movie was a lack of a narrator. Unlike the way Moore skews facts with terrible hammy narration, the movie stands purely on its visuals and testimonials from those involved. The documentary speaks for itself, and that says a lot about the directors' ability to find compelling footage to make into a movie.

Scary as hell, I agree.
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So I finally saw this documentary due to signing up for Netflix, had been wanting to for a few years. Let me pre-empt this by saying I am a Christian. But damn did this thing give me the shivers and feel genuine sadness for these kids being brainwashed to believe this side of Christianity that is not representative of what the faith is about at all.

I've experienced some of this stuff, like the "speaking in tongues" and crying at revival weekends that are called "Happening" and are recognized as a ministry to high school aged kids by the Episcopal Church. Sadly the weekends have now taken an air to them that makes you feel that if you don't "break-down" and have a loud and grandiose "come to Jesus moment", with all the crying and such, that you have somehow "failed" the weekend. It makes you feel like you have failed being a Christian in some respects. There is a contingent of young adults now in the Episcopal Church who feel like this is doing major damage to the faith of young people by making some of them feel turned away. I know because I'm one of those people who dislikes the Happening weekend when it takes on that type of feeling.

Anyway I could go on and on about my personal views, but I won't cause this is a thread about this film not my views on revival weekends in certain denominations.
 
CF_Fighter said:
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So I finally saw this documentary due to signing up for Netflix, had been wanting to for a few years. Let me pre-empt this by saying I am a Christian. But damn did this thing give me the shivers and feel genuine sadness for these kids being brainwashed to believe this side of Christianity that is not representative of what the faith is about at all.

I've experienced some of this stuff, like the "speaking in tongues" and crying at revival weekends that are called "Happening" and are recognized as a ministry to high school aged kids by the Episcopal Church. Sadly the weekends have now taken an air to them that makes you feel that if you don't "break-down" and have a loud and grandiose "come to Jesus moment", with all the crying and such, that you have somehow "failed" the weekend. It makes you feel like you have failed being a Christian in some respects. There is a contingent of young adults now in the Episcopal Church who feel like this is doing major damage to the faith of young people by making some of them feel turned away. I know because I'm one of those people who dislikes the Happening weekend when it takes on that type of feeling.

Anyway I could go on and on about my personal views, but I won't cause this is a thread about this film not my views on revival weekends in certain denominations.
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QVT said:
I had to turn it off because it scared me so badly. I only made it like 20-30 minutes in, although I did get past speaking in tongues. The textbook was ****ing awful, because at some point in my life I assume I'll have some part in writing a textbook.

Scariest movie ever made though, no doubt.
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watch Deliver Us from Evil
 
These people are all kooks.
There's being religious and open-minded, and there's being a delusional fundamentalist bigot.
 
QVT said:
I had to turn it off because it scared me so badly. I only made it like 20-30 minutes in, although I did get past speaking in tongues. The textbook was ****ing awful, because at some point in my life I assume I'll have some part in writing a textbook.
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The vast majority of labour in the creation of textbooks involves recycling content from previous editions or rephrasing content from encyclopaedias, miscellaneous internet sources, and competitors' publications. The remaining portion of activity, in which your creative faculty is actually at work, will more likely than not be either strenuously overseen or utterly ignored by an editor, with the result that what you write will either be reshaped into unrecognisable forms, slashed to pieces, rendered as awkward balderdash by someone with no ear or eye for language, or relegated to the CD-ROM accompaniments to the text.

Wry cynicism is the appropriate posture.
 
Why do they say that "Harry Potter" is evil and you go to hell if you read it?

I think, i really never really got that. Can someone explain it to me. It is just fantasy. Its just a book.
 
szhred said:
Why do they say that "Harry Potter" is evil and you go to hell if you read it?

I think, i really never really got that. Can someone explain it to me. It is just fantasy. Its just a book.
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The magic they teach at Hogwarts didn't come (or is not frontally illustrated as coming) from God, I suppose. I imagine that leads quite directly to the speculation that it came from the badass dudebro Beelzebub. Someone sufficiently paranoid about their supernaturally contingent ethical wherewithal could pretty easily get worked up about the possibility that even reading about bad things is a concession (from which the next step is an enthusiasm) to the world of sinfulness.
 
szhred said:
Why do they say that "Harry Potter" is evil and you go to hell if you read it?

I think, i really never really got that. Can someone explain it to me. It is just fantasy. Its just a book.
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it's not him as the persona that us considered evil, but the notion of magic is seen as a black art that is long associated in religious scripture as something given down to Earth by evil. It was only a few centuries ago that women accused of witchcraft were being burned alive because the appearance, or perception of, magic in society was suggested to be a sign of the end of times.

I have yet to see the film in it's entirety but have seen clips, including clips of an interview with the woman and I agreed with the things she said in that so I'm intrigued to see the entire film now. But some of the reactions towards the clips are, for better or worse, made out of ignorance to Chrsitian/religious beliefs
 
What I don't get is why they focus protest things with magic in them and not every other single work of fiction that contains things that fly in the face of god (like aliens). There should have been just as many protesters for Avatar or Independence day.
 
BobTheFork said:
What I don't get is why they focus protest things with magic in them and not every other single work of fiction that contains things that fly in the face of god (like aliens). There should have been just as many protesters for Avatar or Independence day.
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Because young kids are more likely to be into Harry Potter than something The Da Vinci Code or ID4
 
szhred said:
Why do they say that "Harry Potter" is evil and you go to hell if you read it?

I think, i really never really got that. Can someone explain it to me. It is just fantasy. Its just a book.
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Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
 
Meus Renaissance said:
Because young kids are more likely to be into Harry Potter than something The Da Vinci Code or ID4
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Well then substitute a KIDS property about ungodly things in there, there's plenty. They could be leaning into the Twilight books as much as Harry Potter (there is a little bit) but it's the magic that seems to offend them more than anything. Honestly I think it's because more than anything else they don't want 'magic' to be a child's explanation of religion.
 
I just watched it again recently.

I would be interested to see how some of the kids, especially Levi, turned out. I'd be interesting to see how the fundamentalist scene has changed since people like Ted Haggard were kicked out of the inner circle of evangelism. Also, the economic recession and whether the homeschooling mom had to go to work.

I hope they do end up making the follow up. I'd be interested to see it.
 
BobTheFork said:
Well then substitute a KIDS property about ungodly things in there, there's plenty. They could be leaning into the Twilight books as much as Harry Potter (there is a little bit) but it's the magic that seems to offend them more than anything. Honestly I think it's because more than anything else they don't want 'magic' to be a child's explanation of religion.
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The same attitude will be taken towards Twilight as well. But it's not just magic that is condemned in these type of camps; wrestling cards, television and getting close to girls were all listed as things that lead to sin when I was younger attending them. I still remember the tears of one kid when he was forced to throw down the torn pieces of those collectible cards into a drainage hole. It's to disconnect them from social norms that are seen as either irrelevant or damaging to the pursuit of worshipping God day in, day out. Potter became the new Pokemon, but unlike cartoon characters of animals, he was readily being identified as a Warlock and that the reaction by the fundamentalist community was to be expected, they saw it as an opportunity to teach kids about the Old Testament
 
Meus Renaissance said:
The same attitude will be taken towards Twilight as well. But it's not just magic that is condemned in these type of camps; wrestling cards, television and getting close to girls were all listed as things that lead to sin when I was younger attending them. I still remember the tears of one kid when he was forced to throw down the torn pieces of those collectible cards into a drainage hole. It's to disconnect them from social norms that are seen as either irrelevant or damaging to the pursuit of worshipping God day in, day out. Potter became the new Pokemon, but unlike cartoon characters of animals, he was readily being identified as a Warlock and that the reaction by the fundamentalist community was to be expected, they saw it as an opportunity to teach kids about the Old Testament
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Well HP sure is the biggest target to hit. Maybe it just hit a real hot button with religious people; the backlash feels larger than with anything I've seen.
 
Link to a free version of the movie. I welcome anyone who didn't have access to it before, to now take a look, and if possible for the link to be added to the OP.

I've spoken out several times against the evangelical belief structure. My main concern is the tenancy to speak of end times and raise a generation of children who believe they will not get to live out a full life. The theft of a childhood is the worst crime I think a parent can commit. It's based of a selfish attitude that stems from a person believing that the world will not continue with out them.

I understand that not everyone who is evangelical is this way, but as a religion, you are part of a rare group that is allowed to police the belief structure. If this is not the underlying foundation of your belief, remove them from the faith.

Wikipedia said:
In November 2006, Fischer announced that she would be shutting down the camp due to negative reaction towards her in the film. According to Fischer's website, the owners of the property used for the camp shown in the film were concerned about vandalism to the premises following the film's release and thus will not allow it to be used for any future camps. Fischer has said that the camp will be indefinitely postponed until other suitable premises can be found, but it will be back.[8][9]
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The movie icks me out too. Feel free to watch at the link, and I just reached 300 posts.
 
Pretty good doc. Some of those kids are actually really well spoken, but I guess when you are brainwashed it is easier to spout the same things drilled into your head.
 
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