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[Monocle]

I'm bringing this now since it's gonna come up later

Michael Keaton > Bale
Jack Nicholson > Heath Ledger

Maybe in bizarro world.

 

[Great Rumbler]

Coincidently that's the same order from worst(top) to best(bottom).

Err...what?

 

[Sanjuro]

I get the feeling I'm being hunted and wanted dead by being clueless about Batman. With the arrogant fan base Batman's got, I'm wondering if there's a possibility for new comers to join the party. Without getting ripped to pieces of course.

The rest of the guys: Thanks for the answer

Let me get this straight: You think that the Batman fanbase, one of the largest, most popular fanbases in the world, is secretly arrogant hunters who spend their nights beating new comers to a pulp with their bare hands. And your plan is to taunt them? Good luck.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Let me get this straight: You think that the Batman fanbase, one of the largest, most popular fanbases in the world, is secretly arrogant hunters who spend their nights beating new comers to a pulp with their bare hands. And your plan is to taunt them? Good luck.

C++

 

[disillusion386]

Let me get this straight: You think that the Batman fanbase, one of the largest, most popular fanbases in the world, is secretly arrogant hunters who spend their nights beating new comers to a pulp with their bare hands. And your plan is to taunt them? Good luck.

I see what you did there.

 

[Yoshichan]

Let me get this straight: You think that the Batman fanbase, one of the largest, most popular fanbases in the world, is secretly arrogant hunters who spend their nights beating new comers to a pulp with their bare hands. And your plan is to taunt them? Good luck.

I got that memo Love it.

 

[Solo]

I might be one of the few, if not the only, person that likes Begins more than Knight.

Nope, I think BB is better too. The character development is much better, the arc for Wayne is much more intimate and engaging, and the relationships between characters are fleshed out way more. Even though it has a generic final act, I still prefer it to TDK.

Also, I prefer the BB score to TDK's, and I think the first 45 minutes of BB is better than anything else in either film. From the opening credits until Wayne returns to Gotham is fucking brilliant.

 

[glistenm]

Err...what?

Thats right.

 

[Undeux]

I get the feeling I'm being hunted and wanted dead by being clueless about Batman. With the arrogant fan base Batman's got, I'm wondering if there's a possibility for new comers to join the party. Without getting ripped to pieces of course.

The rest of the guys: Thanks for the answer

Not to be an asshole, but Wikipedia would've got you your answer in like... five seconds.

 

[Yoshichan]

Not to be an asshole, but Wikipedia would've got you your answer in like... five seconds.

I did that, and I couldn't find it by looking at it quick. I mean, there's 9 pages of stuff in there.

 

[jtb]

Not to be an asshole, but Wikipedia would've got you your answer in like... five seconds.

Took me 10. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_franchise_media

 

[OokieSpookie]

I'm bringing this now since it's gonna come up later

Michael Keaton > Bale
Jack Nicholson > Heath Ledger

Keaton yes
Nicholson NO

 

[DMczaf]

Nope, I think BB is better too. The character development is much better, the arc for Wayne is much more intimate and engaging, and the relationships between characters are fleshed out way more. Even though it has a generic final act, I still prefer it to TDK.

Also, I prefer the BB score to TDK's, and I think the first 45 minutes of BB is better than anything else in either film. From the opening credits until Wayne returns to Gotham is fucking brilliant.

We all know you change your opinion based on what GAF Batfans love that week

Remember when you said Begins was better than Spider-Man 2?

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

Nope, I think BB is better too. The character development is much better, the arc for Wayne is much more intimate and engaging, and the relationships between characters are fleshed out way more. Even though it has a generic final act, I still prefer it to TDK.

Also, I prefer the BB score to TDK's, and I think the first 45 minutes of BB is better than anything else in either film. From the opening credits until Wayne returns to Gotham is fucking brilliant.

You change your opinion like every week on which you prefer. :lol

 

[Solo]

You change your opinion like every week on which you prefer. :lol

Indeed I do. But if you put a gun to my head, Im saying BB.

 

[thetrin]

Batman Movie Timeline
(Early years to Present Time)

Batman Begins 2005

Batman 1989

Batman Returns 1992

Batman Forever 1995

The Dark Knight 2008

Batman and Robin 1997

Batman 1966

TDK occurs 6 months after BB, and Joker dies at the end of batman 1989 :lol

Coincidently that's the same order from worst(top) to best(bottom).

You think Batman and Robin is one of the best? :lol

 

[Shorty]

I had a blast watching batman forever as a kid. Come on Batman was shooting from that flying bat thingie!!

 

[MisterHero]

TDK occurs 6 months after BB, and Joker dies at the end of batman 1989 :lol

I know, also I plotted Forever wrong because TDK doesn't have Robin yet. Or there were two Jokers! :lol

However, if Burton had made Batman Forever, Joker would have come back in a Scarecrow-induced hallucination!

EDIT: Actually I was thinking at the time that Joker survived his fall. He lives on to be a ringleader in Batman 1966. :lol

 

[Magnus]

Is this a joke thread? Why are people trying to reconcile two different versions of Batman? I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge this reboot stands alone, and the original four Batman films are a thing of the past.

 

[thetrin]

I know, also I plotted Forever wrong because TDK doesn't have Robin yet. Or there were two Jokers! :lol

However, if Burton had made Batman Forever, Joker would have come back in a Scarecrow-induced hallucination!

i like the way you think!

 

[MMaRsu]

God I love Batman.

And if you do too, play Arkham Asylum. It's one of the best Batman projects in recent years.

And the movies.. yeah I like Begins alot too. Bale's acting was much better in it too. But The Dark Knight is still the superior movie to me..

 

[Solo]

Hopefully Nolan learns to shoot a fucking action scene before BB3. Thats all the series is missing.

And no, the "chase" in TDK is not a good action scene. The flipping of the semi was awesome, but the rest? Yawn. And I still think the wall plant is fucking silly.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

Indeed I do. But if you put a gun to my head, Im saying BB.

Well, I guess that's fair.

 

[Messypandas]

TDK occurs 6 months after BB, and Joker dies at the end of batman 1989 :lol



You think Batman and Robin is one of the best? :lol

Six? thought it was a year... "A year ago these cops and lawyers..." not that it matters

 

[thetrin]

Six? thought it was a year... "A year ago these cops and lawyers..." not that it matters

Except that that doesn't affect the arrival of Batman. "A year ago" would still be true whether it was 6 months or 10 months. Also, if BB starts one year in October, and TDK takes place the next year in October, both "a year ago" and 6 months makes sense.

The 6 month gap is from Gary Oldman's mouth in an interview, so who knows what Nolan actually says.

 

[artist]

I'm bringing this now since it's gonna come up later

Michael Keaton > Bale
Jack Nicholson > Heath Ledger

 

[Gabroni]

If you liked Batman Begins, you should check out Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. It's a little similar due to the fact that there's a part that goes into Bruce's past and how he became the Dark Knight

 

[Rorschach]

And holyyy................

That is all, I mean, what more can I say?

Yeah, I was surprised about how bad it was too. After all that hype. Go figure.

 

[thetrin]

If you liked Batman Begins, you should check out Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. It's a little similar due to the fact that there's a part that goes into Bruce's past and how he became the Dark Knight

Phantasm is so god damned good. God, I love that movie.

 

[Spider from Mars]

Maybe in bizarro world.

Bat-Keaton>Bat-Bale .................... Love me some Michael Keaton
Jack Nicholson is less than or equal to Ledger (depending on the Joker you are looking for)

 

[Helmholtz]

I was listening to the out of the game podcast a little while back and I completely agree with Jeff Green's (I think) opinion on begins. Begins is a much better batman movie and I think bale was better in it than in TDK. However TDK is a great joker movie with a little batman on the side. I like both of them a lot, but I like TDK a bit more.

 

[MisterHero]

Maybe in bizarro world.

Bizarro world is awesome! Admit it!

Cube-shaped and everything!

 

[McLovin]

Batman
Batman Returns
Batman Forever
Batman and Robin

But you needn't bother with the last two or the first two

First two are ok.. but yeah avoid the last two like the plague
Also Seiken if you didn't get the new Batman Arkham Asylum game.. get it. Its sooo good.

 

[MMaRsu]

Bizarro world is awesome! Admit it!

Cube-shaped and everything!

 

[glistenm]

TDK occurs 6 months after BB, and Joker dies at the end of batman 1989 :lol



You think Batman and Robin is one of the best? :lol

You got batman, you got robin. What's not to like?

 

[Link Man]

The Adam West series, that is. It's incredible and hilarious, from the outlandish costumes to Batman dancing in a discotheque.

"You interest me, strange lady."

Simply outstanding.

 

[mario ate my burger]

Hell yes.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Well, Jack Nicholson was the far superior "Jack Nicholson in clown makeup." I'll grant you that. Better Joker, though? No. Not by a long shot.

 

[Beardz]

 

[Escape Goat]

Well, Jack Nicholson was the far superior "Jack Nicholson in clown makeup." I'll grant you that. Better Joker, though? No. Not by a long shot.

i hate to equivocate here but the two movies are just vastly different. separated by almost 20 years and the fact the tone of both are completely different. The only thing they share is the source material.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

i hate to equivocate here but the two movies are just vastly different. separated by almost 20 years and the fact the tone of both are completely different. The only thing they share is the source material.

That wasn't my point. I was just alluding to the fact that I'm always baffled by people who argue that Nicholson was the better Joker. He was entertaining, sure, but he didn't bring anything special to the role. He was just himself in makeup. That's it. If your quintessential Joker can be described as "I'm picturing Jack Nicholson in clown makeup," then he fit the bill nicely.

 

[samus4ever]

i hate to equivocate here but the two movies are just vastly different. separated by almost 20 years and the fact the tone of both are completely different. The only thing they share is the source material.

I don't know. I loved Batman 1989 when it was out back in the day, but saw it recently and it hasn't aged that well. That whole parade and museum scene are horrendous. Why didn't they just have Prince play The Joker?

 

[eJawa]

None.

You sure? That part with the killer crocodile... I could have sworn I saw that in one of the movies. Oh wait, I'm thinking of the movie Crocodile 2. My bad.

Than again, maybe that's where they got the idea of the killer crocodile...

 

[Steve Youngblood]

You sure? That part with the killer crocodile... I could have sworn I saw that in one of the movies. Oh wait, I'm thinking of the movie Crocodile 2. My bad.

Than again, maybe that's where they got the idea of the killer crocodile...

Possibly. Or maybe they got it from the character named "Killer Croc" that has already existed in the Batman universe for decades.

 

[Fady K]

I might be one of the few, if not the only, person that likes Begins more than Knight. I just didn't like Bruce Wayne much in TDK and I thought Bale's performance was pitiful especially compared to Oldman, Ledger, and Eckhart. But in Begins I thought he was a lot better and the character of Batman I felt got way more attention and development. I realize TDK is a sequel and that the point of Begins is to provide most of the character development, but still, something about Bale/Batman didn't do it for me the second time.

You are right in the sense that Bruce Wayne was bigger in Begins than in Dark Knight, and thats true because, aside from the fact that Begins introduces Batman and develops him as you said, the Dark Knight is a much bigger story than just Wayne's, its about the effect of a mastermind criminal so hell-bent on shaking the tightly-held morals of one morally-driven hero, as well as the morals of the city itself, and of its greatest potential knights - such as Dent.

The Dark Knight is all about the dark side of Bruce Wayne and how it is tested, very very well - very scarily and very realistically too - because the plot (regarding the Joker's intentions) shows us how the most morally-driven and ethical people of the world can be when under one HELL of a tight spot.

And i watched the film over 11 times now and fail to see a poor job on Bale's behalf. The voice? Is that it? Speaking of that, that complaint is exaggerated far too much and it is used in a gruff exaggerated manner a very small number of times in the film. Bale's Wayne shows a man who is trying to act his playboy richest kid on the block image VERY well, and at the same time, his heroic Batman-persona very well, so confident etc. And the deterioration in his character as the film progresses is masterful - as Batman - AND as Wayne. Bale did poor in Terminator: Salvation, but he was perfect as the appropriately titled , the Dark Knight.

As a deep fan of this iconic character (my favorite character across all media in fact) - as a big fan of the comics (and/or graphic novels), movies, and the games - including the PERFECTLY AWESOME Arkham Asylum, i must say NO one depicted the Dark Knight as maturely and realistically as Nolan did.

Batman Begins shows you the heroic rise of Batman, and The Dark Knight shows you that "shit happens" even to the most morally powerful people. Oh, and another thing -

Spoiler

it has one of the best OSTs in any movie in my opinion, that good.

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If you're a fan of Batman based on the earlier comics, the action-y Batman, then it makes sense why you'd like Begins more. The Dark Knight is more of a film for fans of Batman as a character rather than just an action-y hero. What's your take?

 

[Zeliard]

That wasn't my point. I was just alluding to the fact that I'm always baffled by people who argue that Nicholson was the better Joker. He was entertaining, sure, but he didn't bring anything special to the role. He was just himself in makeup. That's it. If your quintessential Joker can be described as "I'm picturing Jack Nicholson in clown makeup," then he fit the bill nicely.

I think that's unfair. While I do agree that Heath Ledger blew Nicholson away, fashioning out one of the most memorable villains in any genre in one of the best performances of the decade, I did think Nicholson's performance was highly charismatic and engaging and deserved the accolades it got.

I also think Nicholson in general gets too much flak with people saying he plays himself in every role - he has a unique and very particular acting style, but I don't think he's always playing Jack. I think it's more a case of his regular personality being so strong that it can't help but come through in his performances. Much of it is the viewer projecting "Jack Nicholson" onto the character, IMO, due to him being so iconic. Samuel L. Jackson also often gets this criticism and I also disagree with it in his case.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I think that's unfair. While I do agree that Heath Ledger blew Nicholson away, fashioning out one of the most memorable villains in any genre in one of the best performances of the decade, I did think Nicholson's performance was highly charismatic and engaging and deserved the accolades it got.

Mind you, my ire is probably often misdirected at Nicholson. All in all, I really just don't hold Batman '89 in very high regard, probably due to my disdain for Tim Burton. I really have no problem with Nicholson, to be honest. Though I will go to my grave saying that Ledger's Joker was far, far more memorable than Jack's.

 

[gutter_trash]

the Nolan movies are not a continuation of the Burton/Shumacher films

Begins is Nolan's Year 1

 

[Sanjuro]

I'm glad Heath is dead so he wouldn't have to facepalm to every little brave internet knight bashing an alternative version of the character he played from when he was ten years old and has no relation to the character he worked hard to create.

 

[rezuth]

So which movie is Arkham Asylum based on?

None but there will be a Arkham Asylum 3D movie coming out if I understand correctly.

Teaser here