greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
I'll say this much: I'm not sure if the regular folk will want an Xbox One or PS4. I don't see a reason to upgrade.
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So is everything that's happening today step 1 in the big gaming crash?
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Winterfang
Banned
This is probably because of all the money publishers lost last gen. So many studies closed.
Oh cheese-n-rice with the obsession over a 2nd game crash. Why people have such a hard on for this, I'll never know. Everything is a sign of the 2nd game crash. The layoffs that happen every year. The mobile market making money. Facebook games (snorts). It's all going toward a gaming apocalypse! There's more money being made in gaming today than ever. You'll see the signs of a crash when no one is buying games anymore.
this x 1000
My thoughts exactly. They're doing it all right, even with backing and helping indie games and devs this time around.
Paracelsus
Member
It already happened, you just didn't notice.
Unless you think the current landscape can even remotely compare to what gaming used to be.
Unless you think the current landscape can even remotely compare to what gaming used to be.
Yep.. I don't really see where the market lies for these consoles.
KojiKnight
Member
Of course not. As much froth as you are all wiping from your mouths right now, do any of you actually believe that this wont sell well? at least in the US/EU?
The US has some of the worst internet in the western world, including large swathes of the country that don't even have ACCESS to broadband. It's easy to forget this if you live in a suburban or metropolis area, but those cover a relatively small area of the country (though admittedly with the largest parts of the population).
Let's say Microsoft pulls Nintendo numbers and 80% of all 360's are online, that would still be a massive shrinkage in possible users (20%). More than enough margin to sink a LOT of developers.
Things change gaming didn't die when arcades went down. Things will go on but not the same. All this doom and gloom from people that don't buy consoles till they are 150 bucks. Go play 99 cent tap games they are made for you.
Gaming needs to grow up and move forward. Honestly I think It will. The only people left will be the ones that are all in. Leave the casuals on the phone games.
Gaming needs to grow up and move forward. Honestly I think It will. The only people left will be the ones that are all in. Leave the casuals on the phone games.
Napalm_Frank
Member
All the potential Xbox1 and PS4 gamers will flock to Vita.
And it will be GLORIOUS!
And it will be GLORIOUS!
Oh god, do I ever hope so. I want to see it topple, so badly.
(Schadenfreude aside, I also want to see it happen because I think that the only alternative to a crash for traditional/console/big budget gaming is a slow death spiral that gradually chokes that segment of the industry to death over the course of decades, leaving permanent damage that it might never recover from.)
(Schadenfreude aside, I also want to see it happen because I think that the only alternative to a crash for traditional/console/big budget gaming is a slow death spiral that gradually chokes that segment of the industry to death over the course of decades, leaving permanent damage that it might never recover from.)
Ramocalypse
Member
Seriously, no way this isn't standard on PS4 as well, which actually makes what SONY said previously about DRM being up to the developers kind of throwing them under the bus I guess. MS taking one for the team??? This shit is getting crazy
les papillons sexuels
Banned
No, this is a step to the software crash. Piracy is going to skyrocket, people dont want to be made to feel like criminals or children who constantly need a leash, and so they're going to lashout to these measures.
Last Hearth
Member
It's more like step 13, but yes it's another step toward the cliff's edge.
KojiKnight
Member
Instead of simply being dismissive, feel free to post counter examples, positive lights on the gaming industry. I'm sure there are charts showing the overall revenue of the industry has gone up in recent years, that would be a good place to start.
This thread isn't about "ON NOES! DOOMSDAY!" It's about discussion on the topic. I have absolutely no problem with people stating they think otherwise, but a little more context and a little less snark is more conductive.
soul creator
Member
I agree with this post
How many 59.99 dollar games are there again on Ios? Wanna compare steam prices to xbox on demand? People will give a shit especially the casuals who are more likely to trade games or buy used to save money. See ton of parents at places like game stop to buy used games for the kids.
Duxxy3
Member
If Sony follows suit then that 10 year lifespan of the current generation console may very well get stretched to 15 years.
If all the people want is the next madden, fifa and call of duty... why should they spend $400 or $500 on a new console that has so many restrictions?
EleventhDoctor
Banned
It's really just such a shitty move to pull. There is literally no upside to this decision for the consumer-it's all con and no pro. It shows the level of respect MS has for us as customers. To think that a company this massive lost all goodwill with fans with this one stupid move is amazing. Hopefully years from now we will look back at this as a watershed moment when the customers took a stand against this shit and it was detrimental to MS.
At least Iwata said "please understand".
At least Iwata said "please understand".
no, this won't be anything like the crash decades ago, but we will see immediate growing pains and it will take time to recover from. There will be a recognizable shift 5 years from now (maybe even 3 years depending how fast the industry at large learns and recognizes the faults it's laid out for itself) in distribution and how it reacts to shifts in the market place.
but no, big gaming crash is a thing of the past. this coming generation would need to be an absolute blunder for it to happen again.
but no, big gaming crash is a thing of the past. this coming generation would need to be an absolute blunder for it to happen again.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
More likely we will look back and realize this was the future.
greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
Is it more appropriate to say that the console market will crash?
I Stalk Alone
Member
not a crash but sales will be slow this year. ps4 will probably be 599 and the xboxone will be $499 while wii u will get a price cut to $249 for the deluxe. maybe there will be a non hdd version for $499 ps4 and $399 for xbox one.
i dont get why the hdd is forced. i am not prepared to pay a $100 premium for a $30 hdd as i paid $36 for a 750GB portable. for example i could upgrade the wii u hdd twice with that money $50 for 1TB today and in two years buy a 2TB for for another $50 so i will have 3TB in the consoles lifetime for the same price while i will still have to buy another hdd for the xbox one anyway. it should just accept any sata 2.5inch satadrive via a cartidge like slot. i hope a much cheaper nonhdd model comes out.
i dont get why the hdd is forced. i am not prepared to pay a $100 premium for a $30 hdd as i paid $36 for a 750GB portable. for example i could upgrade the wii u hdd twice with that money $50 for 1TB today and in two years buy a 2TB for for another $50 so i will have 3TB in the consoles lifetime for the same price while i will still have to buy another hdd for the xbox one anyway. it should just accept any sata 2.5inch satadrive via a cartidge like slot. i hope a much cheaper nonhdd model comes out.
ChosenPredator
Banned
I don't think so what MS is doing is a way for these companies to survive longer i guess because we all know the publishers are going to be furiously greedy
Well, that might depend on what Sony does, if Microsoft fails it ends up showing the masses don't really care for the functionality that comes at the expense of many of the things we take for granted, and if Sony ends up doing similarly anyway (doubt it if developing nations are a top priority) then I could see either a collapse or at least accelerated contraction. Depends on the PC space I guess then.
Majukun
Member
first post etc..etc...
As others have mentioned, when people talk about a "gaming crash" on GAF, what they almost invariably mean is a "home console gaming crash" or "AAA gaming" crash. They don't say it that way, mind you, but if Sony and MS exited the scene and gaming was dominated by indie PC stuff, browser games, iOS/Android and 3DS, many on GAF would basically call that a "market crash" from their perspective. For many, those other platforms/ecosystems might as well not exist.
Clockwork5
Member
Yes. A game that has (in some cases) millions in costs. It is not a game to the people who spent years making it or to those who put their dollars on the line. Games are not the same as they were in those days.
I know some of you may not see it this way, but some of these steps are being taken to protect developers who may need protections like this in the future. To protect those developers who if they fail in the face of casual mobile gaming, would legitimately signal the demise of "gaming."
Correct me if I am wrong, but I have not heard much backlash from developers or publishers about any of these issues.
viewtiful_dru
Member
I just find it funny how being the 'savior' means just doing the same thing every game company has done since time immemorial
KojiKnight
Member
That might be their intention, but if you chase a good portion of the customers away entirely, it hardly does them any good.
And yes, the title should have been "console crash" and not "gaming crash". If a mod wants to, they could kindly change it. If not, it's still a part of the discussion so... no biggie.
KojiKnight
Member
I'm not sure I buy that, PC's have the heavier DRM because they are more open. Placing a game on the PC market means contending with easy piracy... something closed consoles can deal a LOT better with. Microsoft is opening their consoles to more apps... but you're still locked out of doing whatever you want... Not so on the PC.
To me the DRM debate on consoles versus PC is a false equivalency on many levels... besides the open nature, as I mentioned, the closet to this type of DRM is steam in which you can go offline indefinitely if you so choose versus having to "check in" once a day online.
It's just boring at this point. I've read it once a week for the past year, here and elsewhere. It's the same discussion, with no valid points that you seem to be thinking I should present to you. I'll just give you the same bullet points:
1.) It's a console transition, not the end of gaming
2.) This has nothing in common with the 83 crash. No one wanted to play games, and everyone was making them. Here, everyone wants to play games, and everyone is making (tons of) money off of them.
3.) Layoffs happen every year. Entire studios shut down every year. Look it up yourself
4.) PC gaming will always be strong. It never has went out of fashion
5.) There are new forms of gaming that you might not like, but are bolstering the gaming industry in an unprecedented manner. If anything, we're experiencing a boom
Sigh. It's just old. Sorry I offended you, but this is too much of the same for me. I've never seen anyone be able to actually present any good points for it being a crash Can you? Numbers and sales charts? Or are people just pointing at a very VERY low-on-information console reveal and saying it's the end of times?
I mean...it's just a little chicken little for me.
Please show me where.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I fucking hope so, at this point it's no longer worth sustaining other than 'for the sake of it'.
Maybe something better could rise from the ashes.
Maybe something better could rise from the ashes.
Admittedly depending on your preferences it won't really matter: the types of games you enjoy vanish, stuff you don't care as much for is not only still around but possibly more prevalent, and thus without entertainment options that appeal to you it's gone for you.
Though I guess depending on genre preferences that happens all the time anyway, just look at console JRPGs. And either way it seems at worst it'd be the equivalent of the dinosaurs being wiped out: they all die/become birds while the smaller land animals, especially mammals, become more prolific.
I can see it.
We now live in the world people prefer Ipad or even just phone over PC/Laptop, just being much more practical even if less powerful.
In fact I might just doing this, if the worst happen. I already almost waste my all gaming time in handheld/PC nowadays.
Yep. they ruin the concept of "Game Device/bow"
We now live in the world people prefer Ipad or even just phone over PC/Laptop, just being much more practical even if less powerful.
In fact I might just doing this, if the worst happen. I already almost waste my all gaming time in handheld/PC nowadays.
Yep. they ruin the concept of "Game Device/bow"
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
Nintendo will stand alone at the very end!
les papillons sexuels
Banned
dont worry, this will boil over into PC territory. Steam is already starting to loose favor among people and systems like origin and battlenet are proving to be problems as well.
The reality is that all of these online services, and the eulas and tos are just making people feel like criminals, and when you make a person feel like a criminal they start to act like one, and so priacy will become a bigger and bigger problem
The only good thing to come out of this will be self publishing of games, like minecraft, where people aren't tied to a service, but actually get their games. It shows that people will buy a game, and dont need garbage like steam, origin, psn, mslive, etc.
The biggest incentive for people to pirate games is through the process of placing walls between the end user and their property. More people will see the value of pirated games then they will the value of broken services.
Agent_J
Banned
i don't remember ever having to register an album before listening or update a blu-ray before watching. i understand it from a consumer's perspective because that is what i am. i wouldn't even call these "issues", just "annoyances".
i understand completely that times and things in general change (for better or worse). but these things that microsoft are introducing are absolutely anti-consumer.
great, i can play my own "used" game on my friends console .. if i sign in. okay, now what if he wanted to borrow it? he has to pay, or use my sign in? that's anti-consumer.
remember getting a brand new console and a brand new game and just playing it immediately? say bye to those memories because now you have to sit and wait for 30-60 minutes for updates and registrations. fun.
this is not anti-xbox, just a rant.. and nothing to do with the "decline of gaming" because it's still an obviously very profitable industry.