Minsc
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REV 09 said:
http://store.steampowered.com/
http://www.gog.com/en/frontpage/
If you can't find at least 20 games from those two sites to enjoy (and make your purchase worthwhile), there's no hope.
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So is PC gaming about to go mainstream?
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http://store.steampowered.com/
http://www.gog.com/en/frontpage/
If you can't find at least 20 games from those two sites to enjoy (and make your purchase worthwhile), there's no hope.
Ashkeloth said:
The only ones limiting the genres are publishers or developers who are stuck with preconceived notions of the platform, or as mainly console-focused, don't have the capacity to make PC version or it could be down to politics.
The last time i saw an Action game rlsed for PC was this week in the form of Darksiders. Though i'm not clear of your definition of 'Action' game but i went along with your DMC4 example. There was also the Wolverine game that plays the same.
As far as Fighting game, if i'm not worng, Calamity Trigger was released last month. The new MK game is also heavily considered to get a PC version.
You're looking at this sparse collection as a testement for the lack of said genres on PC, whereas this type of games have only started really showing up this genreation, indicating perhaps a broadening of the platform.
Someone should make a ton of these and sell them.
I actually thought this was about Sandy Bridge integrated graphics when I saw the thread title. As integrated graphics improve I think there will be more uptake in games. Maybe not the best looking games, or AAA titles, but a general uptake with the realization that a person who bought a recent computer doesn't need to add anything to play some games they might like.
I actually thought this was about Sandy Bridge integrated graphics when I saw the thread title. As integrated graphics improve I think there will be more uptake in games. Maybe not the best looking games, or AAA titles, but a general uptake with the realization that a person who bought a recent computer doesn't need to add anything to play some games they might like.
SturokBGD
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Uh... I think you're having an argument that nobody actually started... :lolPolk said:
I'm not talking about the existence of casual games, I'm talking about where PC gaming in general is now to where it was 10 years ago.
Let me put it this way, I remember Tetris when it hit the PC in the 1980s, "I was there" as you may say. I can guarantee you that the people playing it on PC back in the 80s are not the same people who made it a huge hit. That didn't happen on PC, it happened on Game Boy etc. Totally different to the kind of people playing Facebook games in 2010.
EDIT: to put it another way, in 1984, Tetris wasn't a "casual" game. It was just a game.
Dreams-Visions
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To the OP: no.
Steve Youngblood
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Keyboard and mouse are not ideal for a couch setup, but it's disingenuous to argue that they are completely incompatible. I assure you that I can use both on my couch without even sitting up, and that's without going to the trouble of buying some accessory like a lapdesk.Prisen said:
I can understand this point, but it can be circumvented by any of numerous solutions depending on what works for you and your home layout. Understandably, you may deem it not worth the hassle, but then that would be more due to the fact that you just didn't value gaming on the PC enough, which if fine.
They're getting a lot better about it, though.
Keep in mind, I'm not trying to browbeat anyone who prefers consoles. I understand that there is an appeal in its simplicity and unified design. However, I do find it disingenuous to throw out classic impediments to ease of gaming on the PC that have been perceived, but can be overcome without any great amount of difficulty, as slam dunks against PC gaming for consoles.
Ashkeloth said:
There's the War of Genesis series which looks really awesome (turn-based SRPGs)... unfortunately there's no translation of any of them
I agree that the lack of an Eastern presence on PCs is why I don't play very much in the way of PC games. But still, there is the doujin scene that is slowly getting popular over there, and a number of awesome Japanese-made games that are more than just H-games. PC gaming, at least on Japanese computers like MSX, PC-88, FM-Towns, X68000 etc. were much more pervasive way back when, though.
Here's some awesome Japanese PC soft all playable in English, some via fan-translation:
-Cave Story
-Cho Ren Sha 68k
-Any of Kenta Cho's games (rRootage being a personal favorite of mine)
-Recettear
-La Mulana
-Ys: The Oath in Felghana
-Ys VI
-Ys I and II Eternal
-RPG Maker series (not particularly a "game", but there are a large selection of fan-made RPGs to play)
Hell, even Thexder got a US release way back in the day, and the DOS ports of Ys 1 and 2.
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Prisen said:
I didn't realize HDMI cables only came in 3-foot versions.
Some people have these little flags next to their tags, very helpful. I want one too, but I don't know who I'd need to talk to to get one. Always forget to ask the people who have one.itxaka said:
Or post sales numbers of a few print publications. In fact, I'm going to do that right now. They're all hurting because of online publications, but the numbers are still impressive, I think.wmat said:
PC Games, ~100k (peaked at ~360k in 1999) issues a month, at ~150 pages per issue
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamestar#Anzahl_der_monatlich_verkauften_Ausgaben
PC Games Hardware, ~50k (peaked at ~110k in 2004)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Games_Hardware#Anzahl_der_monatlich_verkauften_Ausgaben
Gamestar, ~135k (peaked at ~360k in 2002), ~180 pages per issue
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamestar#Anzahl_der_monatlich_verkauften_Ausgaben
Their forums must be the biggest gaming forum in Germany, if not Europe? They have Console sections too, but the PC dominates.
And just for the heck of it, because it's actually multi-platform...
Computer Bild Spiele, ~275k (peaked at ~735k in 2002; fuck me running, that's a lot :lol)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Bild_Spiele#Anzahl_der_monatlich_verkauften_Ausgaben
It's probably the best selling gaming magazine in Germany. From the same publisher who shits Bild into our people's hands and litters their collective minds with populist garbage, the tabloid with the widest circulation in Europe, the scum of the earth, etc.
WanderingWind
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Hell, moving my PC next to my TV was the best entertainment decision I've ever made. Anything I want to do on that front, from one location. Easy, and simple to set up. I don't see why others wouldn't do it, frankly.
The Technomancer
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Depends on what you want. I love PC gaming because its where all of the low-budget indie and re-releases are. My Steam library has like five times as many titles like Torchlight and And Yet it Moves as big affairs like Left 4 Dead 2 and Mass Effect.Ninja-Matic said:
Honestly I think, yes, this could truly be the time where PC gaming becomes much more widely used an "accepted". Consoles were always huge because of the cost, if you ask me, along with the ease. Consoles were the cheapest way to get your game on, as well as the easiest since you really just plug in and go. Now consoles (read: not Wii) are practically PCs now with all the cables, connections, options, blah blah blah that people already don't know of. PCs really aren't that far from what the HD systems have become, especially when it comes to cost now with Kinect, Move, etc.
OP, you've made me want to start my own custom PC warehouse.
But it's so true.
OP, you've made me want to start my own custom PC warehouse.
-COOLIO- said:
But it's so true.
Zefah said:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240
Just in case you weren't kidding.
Zefah said:
Steve Youngblood said:
I know it's possible, I have a long ass dvi-hdmi cable plus a long ass sound cable from my computer to my TV. I just don't think that setup will ever be adopted by the mainstream.
I mean, remember all those "Haha, I just found out my friend has had his 360 on SD :lol" stories? The mainstream needs and wants the simplest thing that works.
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I heard 2011 was the year of Linux on the desktop, too.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Prisen said:
Don't newer video cards carry sound through HDMI? That would literally make setup as easy/difficult as a console.
Stallion Free
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Yeah, ATI does I can tell you that for sure.Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Steve Youngblood
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Well, it still depends on your setup. Mind you, if your PC is being used almost exclusively as gaming/multimedia solution, then you can probably set it up close to the TV using your TV as your primary display output, and it is pretty much that simple. But many people will probably still prefer having their computer set up at some sort of desk-like setup. This may not facilitate proximity to a television. And while a long HDMI cable is still an option, it can be less than ideal depending on circumstances (i.e. the layout of your living/media room).Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
But my point is just to stress that, while the mainstream will probably still gravitate towards console for so-called "comfy couch" gaming, it's disingenuous to use that as a slam dunk for why consoles will provide a superior gaming experience as though sitting upright in an office chair hunched over a desk is the only way to game on a PC. It's getting easier and easier to hook up a computer to a television, and more and more games are supporting controllers as an optional input method.
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It feels good having my PC hooked up to a 42 inch TV that I sit in a comfy Ikea chair about 3.5 feet away from playing games at 1080p/8xAA/60 fps. I have my 360 pad sitting right next to my MKB on my lap desk for all those games I use it for.
anonymousAversa
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Totally agree with ya Coolio, good post, with the exception of the end there, I don't think the next gen of consoles will be the last at all. You really think Sony, MS and Ninty are going to throw up their hands and say "welp, that's it, we had a good run, no more market for consoles" in 2018-2020? Nah bro. It may shrink but it took 30 years to get where it is today, the console market won't dissapear in 8-10 years.
I also think facebook, iphone, and ipad games are helping to make gaming more mainstream in general. One poster on here said it well- their significant other doesn't consider herself a gamer although she spends way more time than most of us playing angry birds, sims, and facebook games. Interesting food for thought.
I also think facebook, iphone, and ipad games are helping to make gaming more mainstream in general. One poster on here said it well- their significant other doesn't consider herself a gamer although she spends way more time than most of us playing angry birds, sims, and facebook games. Interesting food for thought.
Forever Giraffe
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I don't see PC gaming ever becoming more mainstream than it already is because as far as I can tell, the golden age of the PC is over. For a lot of people, a PC is basically just a way of accessing the web, and maybe a few dedicated Internet applications like Skype. Well... guess what? You don't need a PC for that king of computing anymore. For that type of consumer, closed platforms like the iPad are the simpler, more convenient solution. Just the fact that a PC doesn't turn on instantly as soon as you hit the power button is enough of a barrier for entry. In the ease-of-use regard, the iPad is already providing a better experience - not just with the web, but with dedicated apps that circumvent the web.
If anything the PC is going to gradually become less mainstream, as other, simpler devices steal away that audience that whittles away most of its PC time glued to Farmville and whatnot.
If anything the PC is going to gradually become less mainstream, as other, simpler devices steal away that audience that whittles away most of its PC time glued to Farmville and whatnot.
it wasn't just a gaming pc. but i also have laptop for work that i can also use for all my other pc needs...so i didn't need a desktop for the house. regarding the games. I've played pretty much everything worth playing that's multiplatform. PC exclusives are the only games that i've missed throughout this gen. I'm really enjoying Company of Heroes...even more than SC2, but my biggest problem is time. I currently devote so much time to consoles that i'm wondering why i spent the money on my gaming PC...damn summer gaming drought and SC2!!! I really just wanted to try building one after reading so much of the "I need a new PC thread". I learned so much about PCs from the experience that it was still worth it overall, but now i have an unused monster of a system in a room of my house that i never find time to go in.Stumpokapow said:
VGChampion
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Depends on what type of gaming. Buying gaming computers never will but my friends and I all play Facebook games throughout the day so I'd say that's pretty mainstream. Only bigger games I play are Valve games and the occasional WoW but that hasn't hooked me in years.
:lol Consoles will go the way of the dodo long before PCs. iPads, iPhones etc are only going to get more powerful and have great looking games streamed down. Why would I need a console? But the games I like to play on PC are doing OK and they are not ever going to be anywhere else.Boglinus said:
PC gaming is like it has always been: super casual games and super hardcore games. I suspect it will be this way in the future as well.
poppabk
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With modern sleep modes, a PC usually does boot almost instantly, my laptop is usually up a few seconds after opening the lid.Boglinus said:
I think there is a good chance that the desktop is gonna transform into a central hub for all these other devices giving both the ease of use and access to power and customization at the same time.
anonymousAversa
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Okay, I just read the whole thread and take issue with a couple of your views Coolio. I respect your opinions very much but this is just my two cents:
I would disgree. Many people have bought consoles to get rid of the PC frustration of drivers, framerate issues, hardware problems, cost, and overall hassle. I am one of these people. But I DO think that now that this gen is nearing an end and things are getting outdated, more people are tempted to buy PC's again. You and I are examples of this. I haven't had a good gaming PC in years and I have a serious itch again. But we aren't mainstream.
He means consoles were replacing pc's in the past. People bought PS3's cause it was cheaper and easier than desktops and at the time had the same level of graphical fidelity.
Oh it's true. Consoles have replaced PC's as the lead platform for FPS, racing games, and most big budget WRPGS. Just look at Call of Duty.
I did buy a console in place of a gaming PC. I know many people who are less tech-savvy than myself who did the same.
No, it's not the same. At work you're sitting upright with your wrist and arms doing a lot of work and doing a lot of text reading. At home you're able to lay down and get comfortable, relax your arms, and generally take in more pretty images than text reading.
Longer than what? Are you talking about the 10 year lifecycle of the PS3? PS2 also had this, and it just means that the ps3 came out on year 6 of the 10 year lifecycle. You don't think we're going to see new consoles around 2013? Because I think many here would disagree with you.
I would tend to agree with you, but things really are advancing fast. Take a look at this engadget post (http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/marvell-unveils-1-5ghz-triple-core-application-processor-all-cu/) , which shows off a new smartphone chip ready for production capable of displaying 200 million triangles a second. Compare that to snapdragon on current mobile devices which is pretty impressive in itself and only does 22 million triangles. We're just a couple years away from some serious gaming on mobile platforms.
Again, I think your opinions are interesting but I also think you're influenced by your new PC. If you think the mass market is patient enough to move PC's into their living rooms and fiddle with drivers, fps, hardware upgrades, getting the right audio drivers and cables, patches, and overheating as a replacement for PS4 or xbox720, this is simply not true. Most non hardcore gamers would like it, but don't know how to do it or don't want to bother to learn, especially since a gaming pc is hundreds of dollars more than a console. I think right now PC gaming is absolutely on the rise and I love it. But I also think once new consoles come out we'll see a resurgence of console gaming.
sorry for long post!
-COOLIO- said:
I would disgree. Many people have bought consoles to get rid of the PC frustration of drivers, framerate issues, hardware problems, cost, and overall hassle. I am one of these people. But I DO think that now that this gen is nearing an end and things are getting outdated, more people are tempted to buy PC's again. You and I are examples of this. I haven't had a good gaming PC in years and I have a serious itch again. But we aren't mainstream.
-COOLIO- said:
He means consoles were replacing pc's in the past. People bought PS3's cause it was cheaper and easier than desktops and at the time had the same level of graphical fidelity.
-COOLIO- said:
Oh it's true. Consoles have replaced PC's as the lead platform for FPS, racing games, and most big budget WRPGS. Just look at Call of Duty.
-COOLIO- said:
I did buy a console in place of a gaming PC. I know many people who are less tech-savvy than myself who did the same.
No, it's not the same. At work you're sitting upright with your wrist and arms doing a lot of work and doing a lot of text reading. At home you're able to lay down and get comfortable, relax your arms, and generally take in more pretty images than text reading.
-COOLIO- said:
Longer than what? Are you talking about the 10 year lifecycle of the PS3? PS2 also had this, and it just means that the ps3 came out on year 6 of the 10 year lifecycle. You don't think we're going to see new consoles around 2013? Because I think many here would disagree with you.
-COOLIO- said:
I would tend to agree with you, but things really are advancing fast. Take a look at this engadget post (http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/marvell-unveils-1-5ghz-triple-core-application-processor-all-cu/) , which shows off a new smartphone chip ready for production capable of displaying 200 million triangles a second. Compare that to snapdragon on current mobile devices which is pretty impressive in itself and only does 22 million triangles. We're just a couple years away from some serious gaming on mobile platforms.
Again, I think your opinions are interesting but I also think you're influenced by your new PC. If you think the mass market is patient enough to move PC's into their living rooms and fiddle with drivers, fps, hardware upgrades, getting the right audio drivers and cables, patches, and overheating as a replacement for PS4 or xbox720, this is simply not true. Most non hardcore gamers would like it, but don't know how to do it or don't want to bother to learn, especially since a gaming pc is hundreds of dollars more than a console. I think right now PC gaming is absolutely on the rise and I love it. But I also think once new consoles come out we'll see a resurgence of console gaming.
sorry for long post!
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It's already mainstream for certain types of games. It's not going to go significantly more mainstream than that.
PjotrStroganov
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So op just built a PC and discovers that PC gaming never went away.
Forever Giraffe
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DennisK4 said:
Oh, yeah - I pretty much agree, actually. I'm not trying to defend consoles or anything; I'm just thinking about the kind of gaming that's possible on iPhones and tablets now. As they get more powerful, they're sure to start leeching marketshare from both consoles and PCs alike. Probably consoles first, but just wait until an official WOW app comes out.
poppabk said:
I could see this happening for a lot of people. But at the same time, I think there will be plenty of people who find they are served just fine by a tablet device, and decide they don't need anything more than that.
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dream said:
Well from early next year even the lowest end laptops will offer better gaming graphics than the consoles do, so I don't see how that's all that damning.
SturokBGD
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I don't see why not. The likes of Steam and GoG ensure that everything old is new again!Gravijah said:
I'm actually kinda serious. My main desktop at home is 5 years old and while it can't compete with what's out there today it still kicks ass in many of the games I want to play, and of course it's still perfect for PC-centric games that have something going for them other than omg graphix.
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dream said:
The base Macbook can play any PC game on the market and so will your base "satellite" come next year. They can both offer a very decent PC gaming experience. Someone coming from console gaming doesn't need nor expect a maxed out Crysis @ 60fps.
Myoclonic Jerk
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I think it all boils down to the developers and their ROI
Can someone give us some numbers to show if it's still viable to develop big titles for PC? I'm thinking that it costs more because you will need to cater to so many hardware variations in comparison to a console, which millions will all run the game exactly the way you wanted it to be..
Can someone give us some numbers to show if it's still viable to develop big titles for PC? I'm thinking that it costs more because you will need to cater to so many hardware variations in comparison to a console, which millions will all run the game exactly the way you wanted it to be..
poppabk
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If you play games on it. If you purchased it as an office PC 10 years ago but mainly play games on it now - gaming PC. If you bought a branded 'gaming' PC this year and mainly use it for office productivity tasks - not a gaming PC. Or at least that would be my definition.Gravijah said:
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