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So Jurassic World kind of sucked, huh?
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Opinionatedfish
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I thought the movie was a lot of fun, but I also thought 2 & 3 were fun for the dinosaurs.
I just wish we had seen more of the functional park before everything goes wrong. Also, the characters are a bit bland and could have used more salt.
Anyhow, spoiler warning: Here is my opinion on the whole thing in a tweet.
Spoiler Warning on that link!
Also, my favorite new addition was the wonderful aquatic beastie. I love huge, underwater monstrosities. Also, I love that it's basically a swimming Sarlaac Pit. :-D
I just wish we had seen more of the functional park before everything goes wrong. Also, the characters are a bit bland and could have used more salt.
Anyhow, spoiler warning: Here is my opinion on the whole thing in a tweet.
Spoiler Warning on that link!
Also, my favorite new addition was the wonderful aquatic beastie. I love huge, underwater monstrosities. Also, I love that it's basically a swimming Sarlaac Pit. :-D
ThoseDeafMutes
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It didn't suck, it was ok. But I felt like there were no likeable characters in the film except maybe one of the kids. Everyone was an idiot, even the characters we're supposed to be rooting for. There were some pretty stupid plot points like the idea that the owners and senior management of the park had no clue what went into the new super dino, or the completely isolated dinosaur speaking raptorese just because "it has some raptor genes". Actually anything genetic related in this movie was usually nonsenical (cuttlefish genes to help survive accelerated growth = it can consciously change its skin to camouflage; some fish genes for some reason = it can consciously regulate its body temperature, and somehow knows what thermal sensors are and that it should fool them and how to fool them). Watching the film with a buddy who is doing a PhD related to epigenetics was not helping my enjoyment here since he kept breaking out into laughter when scenes like this happened.
Struggling to imagine how they're going to find an excuse for there to be dinosaur parks in the future movies after yet another horrible disaster with hundreds dead.
Struggling to imagine how they're going to find an excuse for there to be dinosaur parks in the future movies after yet another horrible disaster with hundreds dead.
civilstrife
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I don't understand this. You're not the only one to say this, and the rumor that the movie was very different from the trailers got me into the theatre.
But I thought it was exactly what the trailers promised. Entirely mindless and nuance-free dino action with trite dialogue and plotting.
Those were features, not bugs. The scientist guy was bullshitting them so they didn't figure out he was in cahoots with the security division.
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Like the second and third films? Great.
friskykillface
Banned
nah, i enjoyed it
my expectation were the following
to see dinosaurs
to see dinosaurs fucking shit up
to see starlord and those raptors
DINO DNA cameo- that DNA was there but i wanted them to interact with it
nostalgia
connections / old characters from the first movie
i pretty much got my moneys worth, Claire is ultimate woman outrunning a t-rex and running forever in heels D:
my expectation were the following
to see dinosaurs
to see dinosaurs fucking shit up
to see starlord and those raptors
DINO DNA cameo- that DNA was there but i wanted them to interact with it
nostalgia
connections / old characters from the first movie
i pretty much got my moneys worth, Claire is ultimate woman outrunning a t-rex and running forever in heels D:
cartoon_soldier
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It was great fun
I really enjoyed the scenes in this of seeing the actual park. Not that I don't enjoy killer dino action, but I would totally watch a film about a Jurassic Park that actually works and nothing goes wrong. Focusing on showing the different attractions. Preferably with no pointless drama bullshit.
cartoon_soldier
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The dinosaurs were the likeable characters mon. The hero of Jurassic Park and Jurassic World is Rexy anyway.
civilstrife
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Yup. It's quite firmly in that category, unfortunately.
It just references the first film more than either of the previous sequels, but not in any particularly intelligent way. Just, "Hey, remember this dinosaur? Here it is again." or remember John Hammond? Yeah, we do too."
Also, every Jurassic Park movie since the first tries really hard to soften or humanize the Velociraptors for some reason.
I don't know why all the sequels are obsessed with that.
OrlanisWorks
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ElMexiMerican
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I remember going in to see it and my girlfriend had high expectations and I had none. We both came out feeling very lukewarm on the film, and as the days have gone by our opinions have only soured on it. The tone of the film was what felt especially weird to us. Maybe it's because we didn't really have much attachment to the series, but something just felt off and odd about it. Mad Maxx and Avengers were a lot more fun in my opinion, and even then I wasn't so hot on those either.
Define "hokey"
My post has some vague spoilers:
It was fun. The pacing was fine. The beginning led up to shit hitting the fan, then it consistently hit the fan for the remainder of the movie, up until a fan-service "final boss" fight, and a satisfying conclusion. The gore was almost non-existent, but the action was still pleasant.
The older brother was a shitty character. In fact, the whole brothers dynamic was shitty. But it was nice to see some character development with
tight-wad, workaholic sales lady turning into badass dinosaur slayer by the end.
The velociraptor that was loyal to Owen communicated to the T-rex to leave these people alone, and it listened. That's all. They showed it right there in the movie. Has nothing to do with otherworldly benevolence.
civilstrife
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I'd say a dinosaur that had never had contact with another living creature knowing how thermal sensors and human misdirection work is pretty hokey. Or the park officials not using its GPS tracker when they were trying to find it.
Or Velociraptors being eyed by private military forces. It's literally one step removed from that leaked draft of the raptor swat team. They've set it up for the sequel.
Chris Pratt leading a raptor pack from his motorcycle, dinos fighting together to bring down a genetic abomination for no particular reason... The whole thing was filled with "awesome" set piece moments that completely fall apart under any kind of scrutiny.
The film goes out of its way to remind us that these are just animals, then has them do all sorts of seemingly intelligent, rational things based solely on what would make for a cool action sequence.
Watched it twice and would watch it again in theaters.
I didn't like 100% of the movie, but most of it was effectively done and had genuinely fun sequences; if I had to rate it, I'd place it around the 80% range. I would prefer a film with too many ideas than too little, and I simply wanted to see more of a film that runs for two hours, which is not often the case.
But it's also my personal tabulation of what I enjoy in movies playing a big part of my perspective. Pointing out illogical moments in films and clumsy dialogue is fun for me as it is for anyone else, but those to me does not make a bad or even mediocre film. I've pointed at various parts of the films that I thought disservices the film and none of them are related to how "dumb" the park was operated or how stupid certain ideas were. Missing the wood for the trees is what I'm getting from some posts that claim paltry issues contributed to ruining the film for them.
I didn't like 100% of the movie, but most of it was effectively done and had genuinely fun sequences; if I had to rate it, I'd place it around the 80% range. I would prefer a film with too many ideas than too little, and I simply wanted to see more of a film that runs for two hours, which is not often the case.
But it's also my personal tabulation of what I enjoy in movies playing a big part of my perspective. Pointing out illogical moments in films and clumsy dialogue is fun for me as it is for anyone else, but those to me does not make a bad or even mediocre film. I've pointed at various parts of the films that I thought disservices the film and none of them are related to how "dumb" the park was operated or how stupid certain ideas were. Missing the wood for the trees is what I'm getting from some posts that claim paltry issues contributed to ruining the film for them.
Believe it or not, this is common when companies collaborate in R&D on confidential IP. Neither party might know everything about the exact formulation or design of the final product. Just enough to do business. It was totally plausible.
This is where the sci-fi part comes in, although once again, it's plausible that similar species can communicate with each other.
This is true, I'll give you that. But hey, they took some sci-fi liberties that weren't necessarily impossible, just practically ridiculous.
Yeah, I feel like they wrote themselves out of a possible sequel, but I know it's going to happen. I just don't see how they're going to justify it.
"JURASSIC UNIVERSE! BETTER THAN THE LAST PARK/WORLD!"
Their explanation for this was just that the dinosaur was extremely intelligent due to genetic reasons that were not really revealed for obvious reasons. It was a wild excuse, but it was easy to buy.
Sci-fi falls apart anytime you think about it too long. The events work within the practicalities and logic of its universe. In Jurassic World, it was discovered that raptors are trainable and intelligent, like war dogs. So, it would make sense by extension that you could use them as such.
Obviously, this would be ridiculous in the real world, but dammit I'm watching a movie.
Do some of you get cognitively frustrated like this any time you watch a movie that isn't non-fiction? I'd imagine watching a Disney movie might be very difficult for some of you lol.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
I dont think it was communication(as in speaking T Rex to it), rather it was basically standing its ground as if to say "You attack these guys and I attack you" The T Rex having just been almost killed, didnt see it as worth starting another fight.
Eh, that's possible, too I guess.
civilstrife
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I guarantee you it'll be called "Jurassic War" and focus on the use of dinos by military forces.
This movie sets it up with Scientist dude escaping with the Ingen private military guys with the embryos.
Hollywood wants to do that stupid Velociraptor Swat team movie so bad, and for the life of me, I simply cannot understand why.
Believe it or not, it is possible to create a big budget tentpole action movie without massive inconsistencies and with some degree of nuance.
They did track it using the GPS signal right up until they realised it removed the tracker. It took a while for it to traverse the rest of the island after that point but I guess that was explained by it taking some time off to wander around and kill things.
Maybe they should've paid more attention to the fact that the guy they keep trying to kill is riding with them but he wasn't leading them. He was following them like a hunter follows his tracking dogs.
This is why I hate the ending. By the standards of "they're just animals" (which the movie has been violating to a lesser degree when it feels like it for the last 1.5 hours) it's a jarring tonal shift that pulled me right out of it where the rest of the film did not.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
I feel it is far more believable than your explanation.
But to each his own. We are discussing a movie about a park full of dinosaurs.civilstrife
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Not quite. When they first "lose" it, they send Pratt and the maintenance guy into the enclosure to investigate before even thinking to use its GPS tracker.
But of course, that would rob the audience of enjoying the ever original "the monster is in there with you!" trope.
You get it. You really get it.
I agree that it was dumb that they decided to go in and check without the tracker results. But people make stupid assumptions like that when they're panicking. I mean with the information they had: It's not showing up on the cameras, there are climbing marks on the walls, it's not unreasonable to conclude that it's escaped and try to figure out where it is while acting on that assumption.
I don't understand how some people think that
the T-Rex at the state she's in -- heavily wounded and just being completely wrecked after the Dom battle -- would somehow throw itself into another fight/chase/anything. I also think people are simply remembering incorrectly or looking way too much into something that isn't there; the T-Rex and raptor didn't exchange nods, nor did it really show any kind of particular complex emotion between the two. In my eyes the Rex simply acknowledged that there were other living things in the area, and lumbered away to rest after it reclaimed itself as the top dog (on land anyway).
The Sum of Zero
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civilstrife
Member
You really would think that a dinosaur park would have some kind of protocol to follow when a dinosaur gets loose.
Though to be fair, it's not like this kind of thing has happened before...
Oh wait.
Mushroomer25
Member
I dug it. It's dumb as hell, and loaded with some really questionable story decisions - but I can't recall leaving a theater in a better mood. It just got me buzzing on the magic that only Jurrassic Park can stir up.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Went in expecting to hate the movie, left loving it - warts and all.
Enjoyed it more than I did with Avengers 2.
Enjoyed it more than I did with Avengers 2.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
I agree
, but I can see how people might be inclined to look for those things. The I Rex communicating with the raptors was a big moment and I think you can be easily fooled into thinking it talked to the flying ones as well. I really thing it was just spooking them enough to get them in a tuff to take out the helicopter, the only thing it saw as a threat to its existence at that point.
Also why did you unspoiler my comment in your quote? lol
KidGalactus
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Yeah, it sucked.
DXLelouch153
Banned
it had Vincent D'Onofrio as well
i half expected him to decapitate a raptor
all in all it was a great movie and better than the last one
i half expected him to decapitate a raptor
all in all it was a great movie and better than the last one
I disliked her in the first 20 minutes but as soon as the danger started, for the rest of the film, she was entirely brave and selfless. She was never thinking about herself, always running towards the danger thinking only about the kids, and she was the one to save the group time and time again. She shot the dinosaur that was about to eat Owen. She drove the kids to safety. She came up with the idea that saved the day in the climax to use the T-Rex and risked her life to do it. Oh and she outran a T-Rex in high heels. She was pretty awesome.
The little jackass comment from the kids made me like Claire more because she was given no credit and was under appreciated.
civilstrife
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Also, having a fully operational park filled with people was a completely wasted opportunity.
The movie could have done some great things with crowd control, mob mentality, mass panic etc. , but for the most part, the crowds were simply cattle to be picked off, or backdrops for the film's protagonists.
The movie could have done some great things with crowd control, mob mentality, mass panic etc. , but for the most part, the crowds were simply cattle to be picked off, or backdrops for the film's protagonists.
Hmm? It looks spoilered to me :U
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
You're swift at your edits.
Aaronology
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It is when there are absolutely no signs of a dinosaur that large on the other side of the wall. None. No tracks, no prints, nothing. And yet they waltz into the area without even bothering to check first where, exactly, the Rex is. And keep in mind this is something that only takes moments (and reasonably would have been the very first thing to do).
I can understand one person panicking and forgetting protocol but for an entire group of people to be that silly on several different fronts is more than I can wave away.
Again, there is no "they" that sent them out to look around in the paddock. Pratt and the employees went out there of their own volition while Claire was telling central to track the Indominus. Central even asks "why are there people in there", which surprises Claire. So it's a dumb move on Pratt and co, but it's not like he was hanging around really smart people there to begin with (the security guy was intended to be comically sloppy).
I liked it more than Ultron, I've kind of already forgotten most of that movie even though I more or less enjoyed it at the time.
But Mad Max was in a league way above both of them. Jurassic World was good fun though as long as you didn't have huge expectations, and it's the best of all 3 of the sequels (first movie is still the King though).
But Mad Max was in a league way above both of them. Jurassic World was good fun though as long as you didn't have huge expectations, and it's the best of all 3 of the sequels (first movie is still the King though).
Avinexus
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I'm in the same boat as the guy you quoted. For me its because the trailers was full of cheesy lines, which made me think it was just going to be a poorly written cheesefest. But after watching it, pretty much all the cheesy lines were in the trailers, and even some of them felt less cheesy with the added context from the full scenes. It wasn't some masterful movie, but the trailers made it out to be really bad, when it turned out to be a fun dino-filled action movie.
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