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So MS is in a pretty good position now
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LiquidSolid
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Sure and the Wii U supported Wiimotes. No-one cared.
The notion that Kinect means anything anymore is laughable. People already gave it a try and left disappointed, they're not going to suddenly come back just because Microsoft has announced that there's a slightly better one for $500.
Considering that $/€499 and mandatory Kinect are here to stay, I wouldn't say that Microsoft is in a good position:
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/19/xbox-one-sticking-with-499-price-kinect-still-core-part-of-e/
Feel free to make a thread out of this one if there isn't one already.
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/19/xbox-one-sticking-with-499-price-kinect-still-core-part-of-e/
Feel free to make a thread out of this one if there isn't one already.
I think they're pretty screwed in Europe regardless due to the price.
something fishy
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they are not changing price or Kinect?
shame, they could actually give themselves a chance with no drm but now.. they don't really have one as people just don't want Kinect as a whole.
shame, they could actually give themselves a chance with no drm but now.. they don't really have one as people just don't want Kinect as a whole.
TheUnsunghero26
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Sorry didn't mean to come across as a dick haha. Was just reminded of all those rumors about Microsoft only having a 2 game contract with Gears and that 3 would be multiplatform.
True, but what I mentioned applies in the US as well. We've just had E3, where the message has been "no used games, internet required", Jimmy Fallon saying "no used games, internet required", and months of mainstream press saying exactly the same.
An update to the service page on their website will have nowhere near that level of reach to a potential consumer, so MS need to spend the next 5 months leading up to launch making damn sure everyone and their do knows they've thrown their previous policies out the window.
Delusibeta
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1) Price
- Outside of the US, the Xbone is slightly more expensive than the PS3's launch price.
- In all territories, the PS4 is noticeably less expensive.
2) Power
- I'm not going to rule out the possibility of the PS4 getting an 60 FPS version of a 30 FPS Xbone game thanks to the magic of V-sync.
- "More power for less money" is quite a potent marketing point for Sony.
3) Kinect
- Hardcore gamers don't want it.
- Casual gamers won't buy it because it's too expensive.
4) Exclusives
- The Xbone has more exclusives, sure. Better? Remains to be seen (certainly, I don't trust Double Helix to not fuck up Killer Instinct, and all Kinect games are already write-offs).
- I'm fairly sure Titanfall has been confirmed for 2014. I expect the 360 version to whip the sales figures of the Xbone version, even after a delay.
- A lack of self-publishing means the indies will prefer the PS4 (and the WiiU, perhaps. >.>)
5) Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt
- The anti-used game DRM has been reported really fucking wide.
- I don't expect this backtracking get that far.
- Hence, I expect that outside hardcore gamers, the Xbone will still be saddled with "no used games" even at launch. Microsoft has really fucked up their PR.
- Outside of the US, the Xbone is slightly more expensive than the PS3's launch price.
- In all territories, the PS4 is noticeably less expensive.
2) Power
- I'm not going to rule out the possibility of the PS4 getting an 60 FPS version of a 30 FPS Xbone game thanks to the magic of V-sync.
- "More power for less money" is quite a potent marketing point for Sony.
3) Kinect
- Hardcore gamers don't want it.
- Casual gamers won't buy it because it's too expensive.
4) Exclusives
- The Xbone has more exclusives, sure. Better? Remains to be seen (certainly, I don't trust Double Helix to not fuck up Killer Instinct, and all Kinect games are already write-offs).
- I'm fairly sure Titanfall has been confirmed for 2014. I expect the 360 version to whip the sales figures of the Xbone version, even after a delay.
- A lack of self-publishing means the indies will prefer the PS4 (and the WiiU, perhaps. >.>)
5) Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt
- The anti-used game DRM has been reported really fucking wide.
- I don't expect this backtracking get that far.
- Hence, I expect that outside hardcore gamers, the Xbone will still be saddled with "no used games" even at launch. Microsoft has really fucked up their PR.
Hypereides
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They have improved their starting position. But they don't have the advantage yet.
Sony still has the tip. Micorosoft will possibly be handicapped by the initial reveal and response to the console.
Sony still has the tip. Micorosoft will possibly be handicapped by the initial reveal and response to the console.
Is subtlety dead? Was it ever alive in the first place?
Hours Left
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Pretty good? More like just beginning to pull themselves out of the hellish quagmire of their own making.
The Wii-U STILL supported Wii-motes, that's why NO ONE cared.
Had they revamped their whole system post Move/Kinect and offered Wii Sports 3 at launch, NO ONE would be talking about how bad the Wii-U has done.
Kinect sold 10 milli a year for the last two years, the 360 may catch and surpass the Wii in the US and the UK by the end of the year, ALL on the strength of Kinect.
Now you have a better one and it's not sold separately, it's safe to say EVEN if the Kinect haters are right, it makes too much sense to include it instead of going the 360 route.
Kinect wasn't their biggest issue, the policies were.
Quagmire is one way to explain it, Impending doom after the drama that would have transpired at launch is another.
Like EA, MS would have realized it wasn't worth it. Thank God they realized before it was too late.
Yes, but it isn't the Kinect line-up that was providing those sales, was it. 'Superior' is also entirely subjective, as shown by their struggling sales outside of their home territory.
The WiiU shows that being unique and standing out at an additional cost of £100 to the base unit isn't always a good idea.
My response was because you were originally talking about those advantages leading to global sales success, whereas now you seem to be talking about NA sales as that is the only major market where MS is still the market leader. The TV functions you mention will operate differently around the world, where MS is already struggling outside of NA and the UK, if they work at all. I think you are massively overestimating Microsoft's ability to support their TV features across Europe and Asia.
There are still too many unanswered questions around this, which seem to be pretty obvious for most gamers who aren't from NA (and to be fair most of those that are). I can see MS losing the UK market if they aren't very, very careful, the advantages they have at the start of this gen (perceived XBL loyalty) won't matter as much as the ones that gained the 360 the advantage over the PS3, as none of the old games will work. New consoles, new games, people's friends lists shifting over one-by-one. It's going to be a major battleground.
kinoki
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With the indies running toward the PS4 and some Sony studios with unannounced titles plus that Microsoft might not have blown their load, I don't think that we can quite judge who has the more exclusives although I think that Sony will come out on top.
immortal-joe
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Titanfall IS a system seller. It's basically Gears of War part deux (in sales and marketing).
Now that the DRM shit is out the window, Sony will get decimated in the NPD charts as MS continues to push for 3rd party exclusivity.
All the same, FFFFuck MS, I'm done and not turning back.
Now that the DRM shit is out the window, Sony will get decimated in the NPD charts as MS continues to push for 3rd party exclusivity.
All the same, FFFFuck MS, I'm done and not turning back.
sleeping_dragon
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Nope, not at launch. Looks at the PS3 for a history revision.
polyh3dron
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How do you know that?
Pancakes R Us
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What the freak. How creepy. BIG BROTHER is watching you.
TheLaughingStock
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I think Sony would be lucky to sell twice as much. You have that backwards.
The system will drop in price about a year after launch I think. I still think it's a reasonable deal considering the software package on offer and it's features. I feel MS has a UI that is leagues ahead of the PS, they had multiple reboots of it to prove that they have worked on it a lot. I always end up getting both systems because of those awesome exclusives, both have top notch titles, no doubt, only a delusional fanboy would think otherwise.
The Kinect sensor is something appeals to em alot considering I have a family, and I find it very interesting as an input device. From what we're heard it's an entirely different beast when compared to any other device in the same category. I guess we'll see when we get those games like Below and D4. The ubiquity it gives developers is awesome and differentiates it from PS, this is a very good thing. People who pick up both consoles will need them to have different features to justify the purchase.
MS is in a much better position than it was before. And yes I agree. Titanfall WILL be a system seller. And depending on what they announce before launch there may be some more megatons to announce. I'm thinking Rare, Black Tusk, Osaka and Lionhead.
If it's regarding sales, as long as Sony matches the price of Xbox One basic SKU plus launching it in the same period, they will probably do slightly better than what PS3 accomplished. Of course it's relative to the competition
Now, given that there's no BC for both ( Gaikai promises yet to be seen ), PS4 using the same architecture as Xbone eliminates one of the core advantages, the superiority of most console multiplats. It also helps that Sony offers more choices for PS4 without bundling the camera and has a noticeable $100 difference in price favouring their console. Not to mention, Xbone despite being region free is available at only 21 countries at launch.
It should be telling that almost no one speaks about PS fans jumping over to the other side, the question seems for Xbox supporters and to what extent.
If it's about games for consumer perspective, Sony has a somewhat decent track record of supporting their system, third-party exclusives ( by default usually if it's from Japan ) included.
Now, given that there's no BC for both ( Gaikai promises yet to be seen ), PS4 using the same architecture as Xbone eliminates one of the core advantages, the superiority of most console multiplats. It also helps that Sony offers more choices for PS4 without bundling the camera and has a noticeable $100 difference in price favouring their console. Not to mention, Xbone despite being region free is available at only 21 countries at launch.
It should be telling that almost no one speaks about PS fans jumping over to the other side, the question seems for Xbox supporters and to what extent.
If it's about games for consumer perspective, Sony has a somewhat decent track record of supporting their system, third-party exclusives ( by default usually if it's from Japan ) included.
I think you can call the game situation a wash at the moment, Titanfall will be huge, but Sony has a better first party lineup & indies Xbox wont get.
Microsoft still have some stuff going on with multitasking they've slyly eluded to that sounds really interesting, Matchmaking runs on the OS side now so it can be finding you a match while you're playing a game (not necessarily the same game even), how well that works and how well the rest of the UI works could definitely justify some of the extra cost.
Kinect is the elephant in the room though, it's another feature MS are forcing on consumers without justifying it. What they really needed was next gen Dance Central at launch, or Ubi coming out and saying Just Dance would be far superior on Xbox one. Rare have said Kinect Sports will be playable at Gamescom so that's something, but they need more.
Microsoft still have some stuff going on with multitasking they've slyly eluded to that sounds really interesting, Matchmaking runs on the OS side now so it can be finding you a match while you're playing a game (not necessarily the same game even), how well that works and how well the rest of the UI works could definitely justify some of the extra cost.
Kinect is the elephant in the room though, it's another feature MS are forcing on consumers without justifying it. What they really needed was next gen Dance Central at launch, or Ubi coming out and saying Just Dance would be far superior on Xbox one. Rare have said Kinect Sports will be playable at Gamescom so that's something, but they need more.
Lonewolf_92
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Makes me wonder how much moneyhatting will help, given the disparity between preorder numbers. If things keep up it could turn into another OG XBox vs. PS2 race all over again.
Flatline
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The only feature that differentiates the game from other ones is the platforming. Stages look just OK and art and graphics are very generic. Either I'm getting sick of FPSs or the game is highly overrated.
Nothing's guaranteed at this stage. It won't be that lopsided and at the same time, Sony won't face another PS3 fiasco. It's somewhere in between and even then there's a chance the Xbone could come on top.
Pretty much spot on.
Currently I have a pc thats almost 2 years old and more powerful than either console but that doesn't stop me owning and playing my 360, ps3, wiiu, 3ds and vita.
I just wish I had these new ones under my tv already!!!!
dead monkey uk
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Just checked and the BBC are reporting backtracking by Microsoft, but its not as prominent on their website as the original story. I think the gamers that care about DRM etc will already have made their mind up and preordered the PS4.
The main concern for MS should be the price in the UK, £429 will rule out a lot of families they want to be using Kinect.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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In the UK the X1 is more expensive than the PS3 was. Seriously, it is. It makes no sense, but it is.
I'm not buying Xbox One but I don't see what so bad about it now.
The Kinect being bundled in is the absolute best thing about any of the next-gen consoles. Developers will use it and motion control can be fantastic with core games. And the prices are almost the same here in Denmark at least, only $40 difference. With the DRM gone, it's in a much better position.
Of course it sucks that they don't seem to incorporate indies as much as Sony and the hardware is weaker but it's not all doom and gloom anymore.
The Kinect being bundled in is the absolute best thing about any of the next-gen consoles. Developers will use it and motion control can be fantastic with core games. And the prices are almost the same here in Denmark at least, only $40 difference. With the DRM gone, it's in a much better position.
Of course it sucks that they don't seem to incorporate indies as much as Sony and the hardware is weaker but it's not all doom and gloom anymore.
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