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[The One and Done™]

Yes, I have heard that shotguns can be better for strictly home defense. She is not the type of person to carry, even concealed. So that's also a consideration despite her license having nothing to do with that.



Thnx.



I'm pretty sure swords are still considered dangerous lol. I got my grandpa's swiss army knife taken from me at the airport because I forgot to leave it at home. It's smaller and thinner than your average kitchen knife. Not complaining, banning blades from airlines is pretty common sense, but just saying for comparison sake.

Well with swords you kinda need to know what you're doing to be deadly. With a gun well....just google gun accidents...

 

[JordanN]

Good for her. If every woman had a gun, there's be a hell of a lot less violence against women.

Is there proof of this?
I don't think having a gun is enough to stop violence in general.

A better solution is to educate the public against using violence on women.

 

[Sub_Level]

Well with swords you kinda need to know what you're doing to be deadly. With a gun well....just google gun accidents...

Oh yeah there's no doubt it's a liability in a lot of ways. Firearms demand a heavy amount of respect. Trigger discipline, not pointing it at others or yourself, keeping track of whether or not a round is in the chamber, e.t.c.

 

[justjustin]

Get a Five-Seven. I use it all the time to take down armored terrorists. Any handgun good enough for an eco round in Counter-Strike is a good enough gun to protect you in real life.

 

[shadyspace]

Good for her. If every woman had a gun, there's be a hell of a lot less violence against women.

I would say get a .38 Special Revolver. They aren't "sexy", but revolvers are pretty much the safest and most reliable guns you can get.

They have a heavy trigger pull so they won't go off by accident (see Glock). They won't jam. And the so called FBI Load has a lot of stopping power.

Agreed. Wheel guns just work.

 

[Sub_Level]

It just werks

Get a Five-Seven. I use it all the time to take down armored terrorists. Any handgun good enough for an eco round in Counter-Strike is a good enough gun to protect you in real life.

Mom: The family dinner has been planted.

Go go go!

 

[The One and Done™]

Oh yeah there's no doubt it's a liability in a lot of ways. Firearms demand a heavy amount of respect. Trigger discipline, not pointing it at others or yourself, keeping track of whether or not a round is in the chamber, e.t.c.

Exactly. I'm sure you already have, but just tell your mom to be safe . I'm passionate about this because I've had a couple of incidents in my circle of family/friends.

 

[dejay]

...just google gun accidents...

Do this anyway, regardless of philosophy or experience. It's always good to keep yourself and your mother from getting into a false sense of security.

When I was looking into getting a chainsaw, an angle (disk) grinder and my gun license, I did the same thing. It really gave me more respect for all of them.

 

[Maddocks]

It just werks



Mom: The family dinner has been planted.

Go go go!

he is not wrong, 5.7 fires a round that was designed and made to go through body armor. 5.7 is a good weapon for personal protection. Drug cartels love it for a reason.

 

[Coriolanus]

Have your mom read this article

best part

'Merca. Where being shot with a .32 isn't enough to stop most people. Heck, only makes them angrier.

 

[The Lamp]

I have so many friends and family with concealed carry licenses. Can be weird to someone not used to gun culture, but it doesn't even phase me.

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

If she's new to guns always go with something easy like a 5 shot light weight 38. Ruger makes the LCR38 and one of the models comes with laser grips.

My model is 13.5 ounces, loaded it's 14.9. I think the laser grip model is even lighter. You can Barely tell you have it concealed.

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

Why was this the first thing I thought of?

 

[Drazgul]

Aliens (1986).

A phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range is a specialty item, so you'll have to order it in advance.

 

[Messofanego]

She works in education. At the school they've been doing active shooter drills (alarms, locked doors, evacuation protocol, e.t.c.) but nothing crazy like requiring instructors to have a weapon. Bit confused myself.

A school?!

 

[shadyspace]

A phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range is a specialty item, so you'll have to order it in advance.

That's Terminator bro.

 

[Mesoian]

Have your mom read this article

best part

What the...is he being robbed by cows?

 

[Drazgul]

That's Terminator bro.

Where do you think Aliens got it from?

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/XM99A_Phased_Plasma_Pulse_Rifle

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

She works in education. At the school they've been doing active shooter drills (alarms, locked doors, evacuation protocol, e.t.c.) but nothing crazy like requiring instructors to have a weapon. Bit confused myself.

Wait, so the school was telling her to get a gun?

 

[MRSA]

Have your mom try out some guns and figure out which one is most comfortable and determine caliber from there. A .380 is acceptable nowadays with the advancement of bullet technology. I went with 9mm myself because I shoot it most comfortably.

Realize this though, all handgun ammunition is horrible at stopping someone with a single shot. A larger round will allow more possibly of hitting vital organs/arteries otherwise they won't stop someone. Shot placement is more important than caliber.

I have my conceal carry interview with the sheriff department in November, going to be carrying a S&W Shield 9mm loaded with Federal HST ammo.

 

[spyhunterzero]

Mom's not home right now but looked through her paperwork again and yeah it seems like multiple high level employees performed the same proficiency tests.

Some of you guys should remember that there's a good chance this was optional.

Also keep in mind that concealed carry does not mean she can carry in the school itself. Nobody carries in the school. The only time I have seen guns in the school is when they are on the belts and in the holsters of actual law enforcement.

This is the first time I heard of something like this here in Texas. Might have to look into it some more.

 

[MoodyFog]

Congratulate your mom on the life insurance.

I'd suggest a Smith & Wesson.

God made all men, Smith and Wesson made them equal.

 

[Currygan]

quick, someone find that thread with those white guys singing that America song

 

[Volimar]

Good for her. If every woman had a gun, there's be a hell of a lot less violence against women.

I would say get a .38 Special Revolver. They aren't "sexy", but revolvers are pretty much the safest and most reliable guns you can get.

They have a heavy trigger pull so they won't go off by accident (see Glock). They won't jam. And the so called FBI Load has a lot of stopping power.

The .38 is known as the mom gun around here. Loads of women keep them in their purses. Easy to use, easy to load. Very straightforward. I'm not a gun enthusiast, but if she's going to get a gun, it should be one she can be comfortable with.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

Definitely go to a shooting range and try out different guns. There really is no generally preferred caliber or model for CC, since the best options are the ones you can consistently hit a target with. If your mom could consistently hit better with a .500 SW than she could a .22, that would be one to get. (Of course, it would be a little silly to have a .500 SW for CC)

I was at the gun counter at the Ft Knox PX about a while ago (yes, the Army Air Force Exchange System does sell firearms) and some guy walked up and started a conversation with the clerk about the most powerful handgun they sold. The clerk showed him the S&W Model 500 revolver they had in the display, and the guy bought it right then and there. I asked him what he planned on doing with it and he told me it was for target shooting and maybe home defense. I asked if he had shot one before and he told me that no, he had never shot a handgun before. I recommended he start with a .38 or even a .22, but he had the cash and wanted to start big.

The PX has a no return policy on guns, so I wonder if it ended up in a Radcliff pawn shop later.

congrats on the substantial statistical increase of potential accidental death now in your home

Last year their were 137 accidental shootings (>50% the amount accidental pool and spa deaths) and 50 deaths. I'm sure OP will be killed by next week.

 

[Shao Kahn on the Lawn]

Another vote for a wheel gun, though there are some very dependable subcompact semi-autos out there (My wife carries a Ruger LCP).

Is there proof of this?
I don't think having a gun is enough to stop violence in general.

A better solution is to educate the public against using violence on women.

Call it a hunch but I think that the people who are generally inclined to beat, rape, or murder women have probably been told at some point in their lives that it's not acceptable behavior.

 

[SteveWinwood]

I was at the gun counter at the Ft Knox PX about a while ago (yes, the Army Air Force Exchange System does sell firearms) and some guy walked up and started a conversation with the clerk about the most powerful handgun they sold. The clerk showed him the S&W Model 500 revolver they had in the display, and the guy bought it right then and there. I asked him what he planned on doing with it and he told me it was for target shooting and maybe home defense. I asked if he had shot one before and he told me that no, he had never shot a handgun before. I recommended he start with a .38 or even a .22, but he had the cash and wanted to start big.

The PX has a no return policy on guns, so I wonder if it ended up in a Radcliff pawn shop later.



Last year their were 137 accidental shootings (>50% the amount accidental pool and spa deaths) and 50 deaths. I'm sure OP will be killed by next week.

so...

look im going off this

source

or how about this

How rare is "very rare"? In 2007, the United States suffered some 15,000-19,000 accidental shootings. More than 600 of these shootings proved fatal. Is that "very rare"?

The total number of Americans killed and wounded by gun accidents exceeds the total number killed or injured in fires.

The number killed in gun accidents is 20% higher than the total number killed in all U.S. civil aviation accidents.

In 2011, the Consumer Product Safety Commission voted to ban drop-side baby cribs because these cribs have been blamed for "dozens" of infant deaths over the entire previous decade. The 600+ accidental gun deaths in any single year amount to 50 dozen.

Back when the Centers for Disease Control were allowed to do gun research, they found that American children under age 15 were nine times more likely to die of a gun accident than children in other advanced wealthy countries.

The Centers for Disease Control reserve the term "very rare" for accidental deaths from vaccines, the number of which is zero, or close to it. If more than 600 people a year were dying from vaccines, we'd have a national uproar, if not a revolution.

yeah you know fuck it lets not deal with cancer either its such a small number

i'd say my initial post is pretty sound solely from this paragraph:

A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a completed or attempted suicide (11 times more likely), a criminal assault or homicide (seven times more likely), or unintentional shooting death or injury (four times more likely) than in a self-defense shooting.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

so...

Pretty much everything is responsible for more deaths than accidental shootings, including bath tubs, stuffed animals, stairs, pools, matches, NyQuil, etc. (It should be noted that of the 137 accidental shootings, "only" 50 were fatal). Any death is a tragedy, but guns increase your chances of accidental injury less than almost everything else in your house, so it seems rather disingenuous to be targeting them.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Pretty much everything is responsible for more deaths than accidental shootings, including bath tubs, stuffed animals, stairs, pools, matches, NyQuil, etc. (It should be noted that of the 137 accidental shootings, "only" 50 were fatal). Any death is a tragedy, but guns increase your chances of accidental injury less than almost everything else in your house, so it seems rather disingenuous to be targeting them.

youre numbers are way off of what im looking at id appreciate some sources here

 

[mjontrix]

Just don't give her a surprise hug.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

youre numbers are way off of what im looking at id appreciate some sources here

You're right, I was looking at an article only talking about child deaths. The CDC number for 2011 (the most recent year) is 592 accidental gun deaths: http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/dataRestriction_inj.html

From that same source, the number of accidental drowning deaths were 3500, accidental falling deaths were 27000, accidental suffocation was 6000, and accidental poisoning was 36000. Even with the higher number, accidental firearm deaths are still wildly lower than almost everything else.

 

[daw840]

youre numbers are way off of what im looking at id appreciate some sources here

His may be off, but yours are just as disingenuous. 20 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM A GUN*




*20 times more than .001% chance is still incredibly low

 

[SteveWinwood]

His may be off, but yours are just as disingenuous. 20 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM A GUN*




*20 times more than .001% chance is still incredibly low

mines not disingenuous

its true

You're right, I was looking at an article only talking about child deaths. The CDC number for 2011 (the most recent year) is 592 accidental gun deaths: http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

From that same source, the number of accidental drowning deaths were 3500, accidental falling deaths were 27000, accidental suffocation was 6000, and accidental poisoning was 36000. Even with the higher number, accidental firearm deaths are still wildly lower than almost everything else.

yep and more children die of gun deaths than cancer so whatever kid cancer lets not worry about it

 

[daw840]

mines not disingenuous

its true

Sure...but it's worded to be scary on purpose when really it's not that bad.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

yep and more children die of gun deaths than cancer so whatever kid cancer lets not worry about it

Those aren't accidental gun deaths, bud. You can't just switch metrics whenever it suits you. According to that handy CDC tool I gave you, there were 140 accidental gun deaths among children 0-19 in 2011, and while your source notably does not disclose the cancer mortality rate it's comparing to, I suspect that it's higher than 140.

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

yep and more children die of gun deaths than cancer so whatever kid cancer lets not worry about it

How many kids die from cancer a year?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Congrats to your mom for being among the millions of law abiding gun owners.

Personally I'd go either with a S&W or Glock. I'd go with 9mm since it's a common and affordable round.

Nothing wrong with wanting to protect oneself with the legal means available to them.

 

[Aids]

How many kids die from cancer a year?

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Sites-Types/childhood

"However, despite the overall decrease in mortality, nearly 2,000 children die of cancer each year in the United States"

"Although cancer in children is rare, it is the leading cause of death by disease past infancy among children in the United States. In 2014, it is estimated that 15,780 children and adolescents ages 0 to 19 years will be diagnosed with cancer and 1,960 will die of the disease in the United States"

 

[Mammoth Jones]

How we got from "Hey my mom purchased a gun" to "cancer stats" is beyond me, lmao.

There are absolutely risks involved in firearm ownership. Thankfully OP's mother is an adult and can weight the risk vs reward for herself and come to her own conclusion and make her choice.

 

[Suite Pee]

Sucks that her school apparently pressured her, but if it makes her feel safer, it's cool.

I don't think I'd feel comfortable around my dad if he ever went through with getting one, but that's my story.

 

[Mr_Antimatter]

I dunno, something reliable and easy like a Springfield Armory XD-M, 3 or 4 inch barrel, in 9mm or .40SW.

 

[Aids]

Was just giving what was asked for, 'cause I didn't see him coming forth with them.

 

[Neuromancer]

I carry a Glock 26. It's compact and reliable, I really like it. I've been using Glocks on and off for the last 11 years, never had a single accidental discharge or anything like that.

http://us.glock.com/products/model/g26gen4

Your mom should try to shoot 4 times a year or so to keep her skills up.

 

[gutter_trash]

isn't that against freedom, to force employees to get a gun or apply for conceal carry if they don't want?

sounds like a sneaky way to find out if your employees have a record

 

[turtle553]

I was at the gun counter at the Ft Knox PX about a while ago (yes, the Army Air Force Exchange System does sell firearms) and some guy walked up and started a conversation with the clerk about the most powerful handgun they sold. The clerk showed him the S&W Model 500 revolver they had in the display, and the guy bought it right then and there. I asked him what he planned on doing with it and he told me it was for target shooting and maybe home defense. I asked if he had shot one before and he told me that no, he had never shot a handgun before. I recommended he start with a .38 or even a .22, but he had the cash and wanted to start big.

The PX has a no return policy on guns, so I wonder if it ended up in a Radcliff pawn shop later.



Last year their were 137 accidental shootings (>50% the amount accidental pool and spa deaths) and 50 deaths. I'm sure OP will be killed by next week.

That gun is a bitch to shoot, So heavy that you can't keep it straight without struggling. Ammo is also super expensive. The only real use for that gun is if you are working in an area that bear attacks are common (not a joke).

 

[Foghorn Leghorn]

isn't that against freedom, to force employees to get a gun or apply for conceal carry if they don't want?

sounds like a sneaky way to find out if your employees have a record

I thought it was only recommended, how did they pressure her.

She works at a private school I'm sure everyone there already has had a background check. In Oregon even volunteers need them.

 

[Aids]

isn't that against freedom, to force employees to get a gun or apply for conceal carry if they don't want?

sounds like a sneaky way to find out if your employees have a record

Suggesting is not forcing.

 

[dejay]

yep and more children die of gun deaths than cancer so whatever kid cancer lets not worry about it

Would you get so worked up if some one suggested they would clean their gutters out on the weekend or that they would take a shower? Both activities cause more death in the home than accidental shootings. Accidental OD on over the counter medications is a much more serious issue.

There are valid arguments against guns in society, and yes they should be respected, but bringing up 606 accidental deaths a year is vanishingly small, especially considering that statistic you brought up isn't restricted to just the home, but would include things like hunting accidents.

Your initial statement "congrats on the substantial statistical increase of potential accidental death now in your home" is hyperbolic and bears no semblance to logic, even using the statistics you presented.

The OP is already taking the right steps to secure them against children with a safe; hopefully one of good construction where keys or codes won't be left around for kids to find. Hopefully too they fence off any pool, put non-slip stickers in their bath tub, lock away any medications and only use a ladder on a secure, flat surface and don't go above the recommend rung labelled on the ladder.

 

[B-Dubs]

Suggesting is not forcing.

Depends on if it's a suggestion or a "suggestion."

 

[funkmasterb]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...tity-after-teen-sneaks-back-home-9673392.html