Sounds to me like that was just two of the ways they've been threatened. I don't really think they would bother saying people have sent emails with death threats and such.
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So Ninja Theory Has Gotten Death Threats
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Sounds to me like that was just two of the ways they've been threatened. I don't really think they would bother saying people have sent emails with death threats and such.
The fact that they even consider those "death threats" speaks volumes.
I wonder how many death threats Capcom received for abandoning Mega Man.
Riposte
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DeaconKnowledge
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Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
mjemirzian
Banned
Probably enough that if you printed them out and stacked them, they'd reach the moon.
SturokBGD
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You know, I'm kind of looking forward to seeing how this game turns out now. Ninja Theory definitely aren't a completely terrible developer. Capcom's reliance on Western development hasn't turned out to be a completely terrible idea. The Devil May Cry series itself hasn't been all sunshine and roses. So this could go either way for me.
The vitriolic criticism of Ninja Theory and Capcom over this game is pretty damn absurd. The kids aren't down with Devil May Cry anymore, so I'll have to assume that the people who care are actually grown ups. Which is extremely sad.
The vitriolic criticism of Ninja Theory and Capcom over this game is pretty damn absurd. The kids aren't down with Devil May Cry anymore, so I'll have to assume that the people who care are actually grown ups. Which is extremely sad.
Ninjaholic
Neo Member
People can be pathetic! I will never understand those who truly get this upset over video games and I love video games and will play them as long as I live. But death threats, c'mon son!
Please explain.
Over 10 years ago, that needs to be mentioned as well. DMC was made irrelevant by Bayonetta, long before NT stepped in.
Worst comment I have ever seen.
SturokBGD
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Why, so you can tear me down with bitter rage?
Off the top of my head, Dead Rising 2 and the Bionic Commando Rearmed games are pretty great. The Maximo games, I loved those, they were made in the US. Besides the fact that, y'know, Western development is generally pretty great, just the same as Japanese development. In my mind making the distinction is a complete waste of time anyway, especially for the kind of... culturally global?... games that Capcom often publish. There's nothing inherently Japanese about Devil May Cry or Resident Evil or Street Fighter or Mega Man. No reason at least for a kneejerk "this is going to suck because it's a Western developer!" every time it happens just because Final Fight Street: Streetwise was balls.
No. So you can actually substantiate your claims. Dead Rising 2 was pretty good. Bionic Commando Rearmed 2 was negatively received. You're citing Maximo? And Final Fight Streetwise? Are you still living in the last generation? What about more relevant "gems" like Bionic Commando and Dark Void?
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
We old hats and shouldn't care about video games anymore.
IC_Champion
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After reading and seeing how Tameem acts with every interview, he takes an apathetic stance towards anything negavtive surrounding the aesthetic and his works.
Almost like he doesn't care.
Indeed. Bionic Commando had its flaws but it was a fun game, Dark Void was solid too even though it suffered from identity problems. Unfortunately it just wasn't as good as the developer's previous Crimson Skies series.
Actually, I was being sarcastic. I think that both of those titles were complete shit, critically and commercially... and only serves to prove my point that Capcom's recent Western outsourcing has been largely a failure.
Really?! I wouldn't have guessed.
SturokBGD
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I did "substantiate my claims", I even elaborated on a more general opinion, but you're picking a fight anyway. Which is what I expected with my first sentence. So whatever, dude.
What? Devil May Cry is a product of the PlayStation generation. I can only provide anecdotal evidence, but it's almost guaranteed that anyone under the age of 16 doesn't give a shit or doesn't even know what Devil May Cry is in the first place. Which means the people currently behaving like children over this are more than likely grown men. It's one thing to say "I don't like the look of this", or "30fps doesn't sound too good", or "I didn't like Ninja Theory's previous games". But there are and have been reactions to this game on par with my 3 year old daughter having a meltdown because she doesn't want to eat her greens. It's really pathetic.
mjemirzian
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Or you'll do what, huh? "Forceatowulf issues death threats to random troll post."
No, you didn't substantiate your claim (specifically the one I bolded for your reference) until I asked you to. And then you did... sort of, with outdated titles. And I'm not "picking a fight." You're just being incredibly and transparently defensive.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Ok you are definitely trolling. It is way too early in the morning for this shit.
You're selectively reading, making general assumptions, and being even more dismissive and condescending. Based on your post to me, you don't want your opinion challenged at all. If you don't want your opinion challenged, I don't know why you're posting on a public forum.
I mean, you're probably right, though that goes for most titles being released nowadays that aren't in the top 5 shooters. Most children playing games under the age of 16 don't know anything other than Call of Duty or Mario. A lot of them have never even heard of things like "fighting games" or "action games."
I too am confused by DmC's target demographic, maybe there isn't one? Which would be refreshing in this age. I know Capcom need to market the living hell out of it for it to do gangbusters though.
There's not usually an other end to this spectrum. Nerds are 300% more likely to rage than to show a single sign of gratitude.
piratepwnsninja
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Fans can be crazy.
I worked with a guy who worked on Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel and he got death threats sent to his HOME MAILING ADDRESS.
I worked with a guy who worked on Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel and he got death threats sent to his HOME MAILING ADDRESS.
What's the opposite of death threats? Like, if Kamiya and Platinum were suddenly revealed to be making the next DMC, what would they get? Marriage proposals? See, I don't think so, because the death threats are obviously and always bullshit, whereas people would marry Kamiya. Hmm...
snoopeasystreet
Member
Man, some people are the worst.
I wonder how many proposals Kamiya gets on his twitter. Not enough, that's for sure.
Yet totally true. Last great DMC game came out in what...05? DMC 4 was decent but subpar compared to Bayonetta, its also about 4 years old and more famous for its lengthy install more than anything else. Not what I'd call a high water mark.
28 Posts Later
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To be fair I did rescind my statement earlier in the the thread when I went back and actually looked at some screenshots of Heavenly Sword!
I stand by my comment regarding Enslaved though, aesthetically [though clearly not technically] it was superior to DMC4.
Phonomezer
Banned
Death threats? Poor form.
I suppose this is the same fanbase that petitioned for DMC4 to stay PS3 exclusive...
I suppose this is the same fanbase that petitioned for DMC4 to stay PS3 exclusive...
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Let's be honest here, who gives a crap about the artistic design of a DMC. I think every hardcore DMC-player would trade in art to tech.
edit: not saying DmC looks better art-wise, because it looks like horseshit.
sixteen-bit
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apparently not
Oh, haha! Yeah I forgot about this
SturokBGD
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Having someone call you a troll isn't "having your opinion challenged". But nice try. And you personally, you're not giving me any room to discuss anything, resorting to a list war and completely ignoring the meat of my point of view (my overarching opinion on Western vs Japanese development), which I elaborated on without even being asked. Yes, Japanese companies outsourcing to Western companies is more often than not a huge disaster. Absolutely no disagreement from me there. So what are you arguing with me about? Because I'm saying that sometimes it's not? Because that's pretty indisputable.
Yeah I think this demographic thing has been much bigger problem for Capcom as a result of them being around for so many years than who is developing their games. When your business is built on franchises, it's a constant struggle to keep relevant - Mega Man, for example, being a product of 1980s, never really making a (commercially successful) Mario-seque leap to 3D. Devil May Cry being a product of the aforementioned "PlayStation generation" of 10 years ago, things are quite different in 2012 than they were in 2002. This was also what I saw as being a large part of Sega's problem in more turbulent times for them. For guys like me and I'm sure most of you, we've been around since the beginning, we're quite happy playing (for example) the latest Mega Man side-scroller. But that's a really hard sell to the rest of the world. Hence the massive identity crisis that companies like Capcom have.
Sorry, I think I'm maybe getting a bit off-topic there.
And how does that make DMC irrelevant? Most claims of Bayonetta being so godly is from people with extremely broad perspectives. Hell, I think DMC4 is better based on the combat alone. Bayonetta has tons of problems that most people don't realize since it doesn't apply to them. And Bayonetta doesn't invalidate anything that DMC or NG has done. Nor does it shatter the bar, make past titles look archaic, or any of those baseless exaggerations.
It is a solid action game within the trinity that added new elements, notably dodge offset. That's it.
Manp
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why this seems like they're just seeking for sympathy from the fan base over "not so sure if real" death threats?
if you receive death threats you call the police and have them deal with it. this seems like a poor attempt at grabbing some empathy since they are unable to get it for their game.
but maybe i'm totally wrong here and i'm being unfair with them.
if you receive death threats you call the police and have them deal with it. this seems like a poor attempt at grabbing some empathy since they are unable to get it for their game.
but maybe i'm totally wrong here and i'm being unfair with them.
bone_and_sinew
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I'm guessing it was Dante shooting DINO but since Tameem looks like DINO, Tameem thought it was made towards him.
These DmC threads always deliver. Starting to think the NT backers are just as insane as us DMC purists.
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A casual fan of that style of game [such as myself] more than likely. I play those kinds of games for the over-the-top scenarios and art - the spectacle, over the combat systems [because I'm an abysmal button-masher]. It's the reason I enjoyed Bayonetta, the game had both amazing combat and aesthetics. Running through bland corridors fighting the same few enemies became stale [for me] in DMC4. Ultimately strong artistic design reduces the feeling of repetition.
Either way I'm only specifically stating this because of a comment someone else stated claiming DMC4 'had better graphics' than any NT game, and I feel, as weak as Enslaved was, the games aesthetic design was excellent.
Again, you're selectively reading. I said that "based on your post to me." I never called you a troll. I confronted you about a general claim that you made, and you were somehow insulted.
I think it's pretty simple. I asked for you to explain why Capcom's previous endeavors at Western outsourcing weren't a disaster, and this would inevitably come down to a list of games. You then referenced 10 year old games.
I didn't ask for you to speak to the overarching opinion on Western vs. Japanese dvelopment... so yes, you volunteered that opinion that no one asked for.
Bayonetta 2, believe!
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Well yeah, Enslaved would have slightly better art direction than DMC4. Let's not forget that the enemy design in DMC4 was straight up amazing - but I agree that the environments were bad.
Too crazy for NT's Disney-like sensibilities. Maybe Vanquish 2.