I don't think M+ had much to do with it, Nintendo starting shifting internal development resources to Wii before it came out and IntSys/EAD/Retro released most of the games they had in development for it in 2006 and 2007 so 2008 turned out pretty dry. Thing is though, NoA (and to a lesser extent Nintendo in general) should have been more prepared for this.donny2112 said:
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Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
So NOA, do you have any plans on releasing anything ever again?
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MarzipaNMOS
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charlequin said:
wow, really? Even the balance board is getting shit that uses it (although most is tird party). You honestly think something Nintendo promoted as WHAT THE HARDCORE WANTEEED will only get used in 2 titles? That really sounds ridiculous to me. I fully expect it to be used and available as an option in at least the next big Zelda and Retro Studios game.
charlequin
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kiruyama said:
I didn't say anything about third parties. I do honestly believe that Nintendo's development priorities are so screwed up that that's all they have to offer for the peripheral they made such a big deal about, yes.
donny2112 said:
Maybe not, but in that case: they had nothing at all that they could push up? No games from that list that didn't need M+ and which therefore could be released this year?
(If NOA actually had its own development/development-funding arm like every other major-foreign-market branch of every other hardware manufacturer, they could have had actual US-developed games fill some of this empty space, of course, since they'd not need localization....)
polyh3dron
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Yep, Sony knows a thing or two about those blue shells... they should give Nintendo some pointers.justchris said:
Better, at least in the second half of the year. Quality first party platformer, racer, and shooter, not to mention all the third party stuff. I've bought a tonne of Wii games this year too and don't even own a PS3, but there is no question which one has the better line up for the "holiday season" or whatever you want to call it.Dragona Akehi said:
Cheesemeister
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I hope this doesn't sound very stupid.......
I think that by not releasing stuff now but later, nintendo is in control of the generation. When they feel demand is slightly less than before then can always throw a bone or two.
NOA isn't releasing anything worthy because people aren't done buying the console for sports, mario kart and wii play, as long as there is demand for that, they can release get away with not releasing games.
does this make any sense or is it too late and I have to go to sleep now?
I think that by not releasing stuff now but later, nintendo is in control of the generation. When they feel demand is slightly less than before then can always throw a bone or two.
NOA isn't releasing anything worthy because people aren't done buying the console for sports, mario kart and wii play, as long as there is demand for that, they can release get away with not releasing games.
does this make any sense or is it too late and I have to go to sleep now?
charlequin
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Cheesemeister said:
Don't they basically report directly to NCL and bypass NOA directly?
If not: I think that is if anything a strike against NOA if that's the best they can do.
charlequin said:
I think Retro does, but NST is co-located with NOA in Redmond, IIRC.
Doesn't Nintendo usually have a press conference every three months, about a month following each quarter? That would put a press conference at the end of January. If they are planning a blowout for Motion+, I'd expect that to be the likely time period.
We'll see, either way. *shrugs*
charlequin
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donny2112 said:
Okay, I retract my previous statement and replace it with "NOA has one development team that makes games that are actually worse than developing nothing at all."
jamesinclair
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Doesnt Nintendo release their Q1 solid and Q2 tentative schedule at our around Christmas day?
HylianScribe
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Oh good, an epic troll thread. JK. Meh, every other Wii thread I post in, I get yelled out for being anti-fanboy, yet this thread is so anti-Nintendo and it's rolling. Anyway, wanted to say that if I were Nintendo PR, I would respond to you like this.
"Well GAF, technically our release calendar on our media site lists a few titles as tentative for 2009. We recently announced several great games in the works that should have broad appeal and cater to our unique consumers. Punch-Out!! should be releasing sometime in the first half of 2009, and both old school Nintendo fans and new gamers will enjoy this title. There's also the highly anticipated Sin and Punishment 2, which gamers have clamored for. Wii Sports Resort, the sequel to the wildly successful Wii Sports, will allow the entire family to take a well deserved vacation right in their own living rooms! Thanks to the new Wii MotionPlus peripheral, gamers will experience a new level of immersion. There's also Fire Emblem DS, the next installment in our popular strategy RPG franchise, Rhythm Heaven, as well as a few unannounced titles that will surely bring a smile to your face."
It's fun AND easy to play NOA PR.
"Well GAF, technically our release calendar on our media site lists a few titles as tentative for 2009. We recently announced several great games in the works that should have broad appeal and cater to our unique consumers. Punch-Out!! should be releasing sometime in the first half of 2009, and both old school Nintendo fans and new gamers will enjoy this title. There's also the highly anticipated Sin and Punishment 2, which gamers have clamored for. Wii Sports Resort, the sequel to the wildly successful Wii Sports, will allow the entire family to take a well deserved vacation right in their own living rooms! Thanks to the new Wii MotionPlus peripheral, gamers will experience a new level of immersion. There's also Fire Emblem DS, the next installment in our popular strategy RPG franchise, Rhythm Heaven, as well as a few unannounced titles that will surely bring a smile to your face."
It's fun AND easy to play NOA PR.
Omar Ismail
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sphinx said:
I'd say you're almost correct. Here's one possible theory: Nintendo doesn`t have to release many more games for this generation.
How many Zeldas did the gamecube get? Mario Karts? Smash Brothers?
Now just look at the charts, there's pretty much 3-5 Wii games, published by Nintendo that are consistently in the top 10 (Wii Play, MKWii, WiiFit, SSBWii, and maybe one or two I'm forgetting). If sales continue to remain consistent then why would they need to release any more games?
As seen with Wii Music, not everything Nintendo does is solid gold, so why introduce more potentially less lucrative titles that'll just cannabilize the stuff that's already making truckloads of cash?
Omar Ismail said:
This is reasonable right up until that last part. Releasing a new game will not inherently cannabilize sales of an old game unless they are of the same genre. That means don't expect anything that will take the place of WiiPlay or Mario Kart Wii or Wii Fit, but anything else is fair game. More software to sell is always better for Nintendo. Or at least, that's what one would think, apparently Nintendo disagrees.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Hive said:
Mario Paint already came out for the SNES.
Omar Ismail
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justchris said:
This isn`t necessarily true. Wii`s audience is different from regular games, and it`s not crazy to think the simplicity of the Wii library is something that is attractive. A new soccer mom picks up a new Wii console and the next 2 purchases are a no-brainer Wii Play and Wii Fit. For the Nintendo fan it's MKWii, SSBB. And then the two demos overlap a bit. But if you start adding more "seminal" games into the mix, it can quickly become overwhelming.
I think the low number of games is something very strategic by Nintendo, and a GOOD strategy, not a "we don't want to release games because we're mean"
JoshuaJSlone
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Well, on the whole I'd say Smash Bros. and Mario Kart is bigger than, say, Twilight Princess and Excite Truck. Certainly comparing mid-November on, 2006 appears to beat 2008.grandjedi6 said:
Ehh, I dunno. I'm a big fan of the series, but I remember arguments about whether it was even a game.PataHikari said:
i think it was better when Nintendo had the pressure to make games to keep their consoles alive. we got the best from them in those eras (SNES vs Genesis, Nintendo/Rare carrying the N64 and then Nintendo/several devs on the GC but their energy kinda ran out midway the GC days)
now, they just sit there and do shit, especially NOA. it's not normal that i've considered learning japanese to move to japan and get my Nintendo fix there (but now that even the jp schedule is bad, i lost interest)
now, they just sit there and do shit, especially NOA. it's not normal that i've considered learning japanese to move to japan and get my Nintendo fix there (but now that even the jp schedule is bad, i lost interest)
This was the expected outcome when they released all their aces right from the start. I saw it coming, surely I can't be the only one. The last year was pretty stacked. It's the same amount of games, they just piled up in one part of the year.
As for release scheduals in general Nintendo has stopped doing early annoucements for the most part and only gives out dates at the start of the quarter, meaning we probably won't get new dates until January.
There's a lot lined up for next year though, even at this early stage. Just go dig up the hype thread.
As for release scheduals in general Nintendo has stopped doing early annoucements for the most part and only gives out dates at the start of the quarter, meaning we probably won't get new dates until January.
There's a lot lined up for next year though, even at this early stage. Just go dig up the hype thread.
A Link to the Past
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NoA's brought some good games this year. Professor Layton, Advance Wars DoR, Wario Land Shake It, Mario Kart Wii, Endless Ocean, and Brawl. They did some good stuff. But they're doing much less than they could be doing. It's no coincidence that 2008 has seen less Nintendo games in NA than in 2007 - NoA has not been localizing nearly as many games as NoE has. FESD could very well have been a Christmas release, but for reasons that escape me, they've delayed a game that is fully translated into English into "the first half of 2009", which could be January 1, or June 30. The most obvious conclusion is that Nintendo expects to be able to ride their wave of previously-released titles - Brawl, Mario Kart, SMG, Wii Series, etc. Hopefully Wii Music tanks, so relying on so few titles to carry you at the buyer's expense will become far riskier.
Cheesemeister
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Osuwari said:
First of all, learning Japanese to the point where it's passable is a 10-year project in and of itself. It'd take two console generations, or until halfway through the Wii 3-D/PS5/Xbox 1080 generation if you start now. Second of all, video games alone are not a good enough reason to keep up the motivation necessary to do so; most students quit within a semester or two.
Fredescu said:
PS3 purchases in the past 6 months: Mirror's Edge, Guitar Hero World Tour, Valkyria Chronicles, Dead Space, Siren Blood Curse, Resistance 2, Soul Calibur, Metal Gear Solid 4, Disgaea 3, Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway (preordered Prince of Persia)
Wii purchases in the same time span: none
PS3 owners can play Killzone 2, Resident Evil 5 and Street Fighter 4 in the first three months of 2009. What AAA+ titles are coming out for the Wii?
The Wii is my worst console purchase ever. After owning it for 18 months I've only picked up 5 games (compared to 30 PS3 games and almost 40 360 games)
Somnid said:
it still doesn't explain the lack of B-level series with yearly installments like Mario Party not showing up this year. it's ironic how when it is really needed, the game fails to have a sequel ready for the holidays (also, i'm tired of my friends asking for mp9. they are bored of mp8 since like 8 months ago)
maybe konami is cockblocking hudson with their "let's have crap wii support" attitude.
SilverLunar
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Oh another thread ranting about Nintendo, these pop up alot lately.
I have to kinda agree with this.
I mean if you think about it we already had our famous/must have Nintendo games already now, Smash Bros.? Metroid? Mario Kart? Zelda? Animal Crossing? we even have a Wario Land game(I honestly was surprised it was even made in the first place).
so I think what is left to make? You can add Pikmin, Kirby and to a lesser extent F-Zero/StarFox/Fire Emblem?
and that's it for Nintendo, anythig else is pretty much niche, or some wired new IPs that won't sell well.
Somnid said:
I have to kinda agree with this.
I mean if you think about it we already had our famous/must have Nintendo games already now, Smash Bros.? Metroid? Mario Kart? Zelda? Animal Crossing? we even have a Wario Land game(I honestly was surprised it was even made in the first place).
so I think what is left to make? You can add Pikmin, Kirby and to a lesser extent F-Zero/StarFox/Fire Emblem?
and that's it for Nintendo, anythig else is pretty much niche, or some wired new IPs that won't sell well.
You know you're agreeing with me right? Just checking. My 360/PC to Wii ratio is about the same as your PS3 to Wii ratio, except that I've bought de Blob and Warioland in the last six months.ymmv said:
Punch Out? Wii Sports Resort? Mad World? No one seriously has any idea if they're going to turn out "AAA" or not though.ymmv said:
Talladega Knight
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It's so annoying to enter a thread and find out the title has been changed.
grandjedi6
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2002 and 2004.Hero said:
Nuclear Muffin
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Somnid said:
Bingo, people seem to think that Nintendo can just shit out games like a factory. Fact is that these core games take a long time to make and they obviously aren't comfortable showing them yet. That's why (With the exception of Sin & Punishment 2, which is developed by Nintendo and Treasure and is as hardcore as you can get!) everything unveiled at the October conference was outsourced.
Also, Motion plus could be a big factor in this as well. I'd imagine that a lot of these core games in development would be using the peripheral quite extensively.
NOA's Wii Ware and VC output have also been fantastic lately. For the past 2 months we have gotten a stream of non stop awesome. Those not buying downloadable games are really missing out on a lot!
Tiktaalik said:Even if they are AAA we have no idea if they're coming out in February or "Spring" or "Summer" so his point still stands.
Little King Story, Muramasa the Demon Blade... these two by themselves make 2009 a great year for me, personally. Add to that any Nintendo surprises, and well...
Pureauthor
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Those of you saying 'well they released all their aces' are kinda missing the point.
This isn't necessarily a thread to whine about the Wii's lineup (or lack thereof). It's a thread calling out NoA for refusing to localize games. Games that we know about, have been released in Japan, and we have heard neither hide nor hair of as far as a localization is concerned. This goes for the Wii and the DS.
The people running NoA are a bunch of incompetents.
This isn't necessarily a thread to whine about the Wii's lineup (or lack thereof). It's a thread calling out NoA for refusing to localize games. Games that we know about, have been released in Japan, and we have heard neither hide nor hair of as far as a localization is concerned. This goes for the Wii and the DS.
The people running NoA are a bunch of incompetents.
Pureauthor said:
I understand this. Diaster and Captain Rainbow were the major offenders though we all know releasing Captain Rainbow in the US and having Nintendo's name on it is asking for trouble. Unfortunate really. Although I was personally surprised about Diaster at least it's still possible if it didn't completely bomb in Europe. Fatal Frame 4 may or may not be Nintendo's problem, it's not their IP.
I guess the consolation is Rhythm Heaven.
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Deleted member 30609
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Yeah, the current state of first party Nintendo games is actually pretty embarrassing from a "hardcore" perspective. Animal Crossing was, is, a joke.